Posted: 5/28/2015 10:46:29 AM EDT
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I got into some trouble in college about 8 years ago and got two DWI misdemeanor B. They were both resolved in 2008 when my probation ended for both. I have been clean and sober for 4 years now.
My question is: I want to get my CHL, as I am reading it I am defined as a chemically dependent person and have to wait 10 years. DPS is telling me that is potentially not the case, but I can't get a straight answer out of anyone. Does anyone have experience or law knowledge to speak to this? I have family willing to provide character witness, if that is even an option. |
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I got into some trouble in college about 8 years ago and got two DWI misdemeanor B. They were both resolved in 2008 when my probation ended for both. I have been clean and sober for 4 years now. My question is: I want to get my CHL, as I am reading it I am defined as a chemically dependent person and have to wait 10 years. DPS is telling me that is potentially not the case, but I can't get a straight answer out of anyone. Does anyone have experience or law knowledge to speak to this? I have family willing to provide character witness, if that is even an option. I don't know if it's the case now, but back when I did my first class, the 10 year clock didn't start until after probation ended, as that was considered the end of your sentence. Unless that's changed, you're ineligible until 2018. IANAL and you should talk to one! |
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(c) An individual who has been convicted two times within the 10-year period
preceding the date on which the person applies for a license of an offense of the grade of Class B misdemeanor or greater that involves the use of alcohol or a controlled substance as a statutory element of the offense is a chemically dependent person for purposes of this section and is not qualified to receive a license under this subchapter. This subsection does not preclude the disqualification of an individual for being a chemically dependent person if other evidence exists to show that the person is a chemically dependent person. No where in here does it say at the end of probation. The problem is, I'm pretty sure I'm out for at least two years, but without giving the government $140 I can't find out if it is longer. |
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I don't know if it's the case now, but back when I did my first class, the 10 year clock didn't start until after probation ended, as that was considered the end of your sentence. Unless that's changed, you're ineligible until 2018. IANAL and you should talk to one! Quoted:
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I got into some trouble in college about 8 years ago and got two DWI misdemeanor B. They were both resolved in 2008 when my probation ended for both. I have been clean and sober for 4 years now. My question is: I want to get my CHL, as I am reading it I am defined as a chemically dependent person and have to wait 10 years. DPS is telling me that is potentially not the case, but I can't get a straight answer out of anyone. Does anyone have experience or law knowledge to speak to this? I have family willing to provide character witness, if that is even an option. I don't know if it's the case now, but back when I did my first class, the 10 year clock didn't start until after probation ended, as that was considered the end of your sentence. Unless that's changed, you're ineligible until 2018. IANAL and you should talk to one! Since the law went into effect in 1996, convictions count from date of conviction, not end of probation. |
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I got into some trouble in college about 8 years ago and got two DWI misdemeanor B. They were both resolved in 2008 when my probation ended for both. I have been clean and sober for 4 years now. My question is: I want to get my CHL, as I am reading it I am defined as a chemically dependent person and have to wait 10 years. DPS is telling me that is potentially not the case, but I can't get a straight answer out of anyone. Does anyone have experience or law knowledge to speak to this? I have family willing to provide character witness, if that is even an option. If your convictions were drug or alcohol related, since they were both class B's you are ineligible until there are not two convictions for a ten year period. Basically 10 years after your first conviction you become eligible, barring any other disqualifier. |
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Quoted: Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. |
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Quoted: Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. Quoted: Quoted: Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. I just finished the process myself and that's the 3rd time I've had prints done in the last 9 months. The process is easy and it's not in the congested part of downtown. |
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Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. There is really no restriction if I am a Texas citizen on whether I can carry here with an AZ license? I knew there had to be a way around this. Thanks for the heads up! Quoted:
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Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. There is really no restriction if I am a Texas citizen on whether I can carry here with an AZ license? I knew there had to be a way around this. Thanks for the heads up! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. There is really no restriction if I am a Texas citizen on whether I can carry here with an AZ license? I knew there had to be a way around this. Thanks for the heads up! Nope. Send an email to AZDPS and request an application packet. You'll need some proof of training or a DD-214 and get your prints done on the cards they send you. It's only $60 and takes (they say) 75 days to process. |
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Nope. Send an email to AZDPS and request an application packet. You'll need some proof of training or a DD-214 and get your prints done on the cards they send you. It's only $60 and takes (they say) 75 days to process. Quoted:
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Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. There is really no restriction if I am a Texas citizen on whether I can carry here with an AZ license? I knew there had to be a way around this. Thanks for the heads up! Nope. Send an email to AZDPS and request an application packet. You'll need some proof of training or a DD-214 and get your prints done on the cards they send you. It's only $60 and takes (they say) 75 days to process. Thanks a lot guys! I just requested the application packet. I was just put on to this site and y'all have already been a huge help! I look forward to spending more time here with all of you. |
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Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. Quoted:
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Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. For a Texas CHL there is no 6 month wait anymore. If you move to Texas with the intent to establish residency, you meet the residency requirment |
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Quoted: For a Texas CHL there is no 6 month wait anymore. If you move to Texas with the intent to establish residency, you meet the residency requirment Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. For a Texas CHL there is no 6 month wait anymore. If you move to Texas with the intent to establish residency, you meet the residency requirment Not according to the website I stepped through yesterday. I about half expected a tiny hand to come out of my mouse to give me a prostate check. The application process seems... thorough... |
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Quoted: Nope. Send an email to AZDPS and request an application packet. You'll need some proof of training or a DD-214 and get your prints done on the cards they send you. It's only $60 and takes (they say) 75 days to process. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. There is really no restriction if I am a Texas citizen on whether I can carry here with an AZ license? I knew there had to be a way around this. Thanks for the heads up! Nope. Send an email to AZDPS and request an application packet. You'll need some proof of training or a DD-214 and get your prints done on the cards they send you. It's only $60 and takes (they say) 75 days to process. The proof of training can be a DD-214, Texas Hunter Safety Course and maybe the Texas CHL course? I'm not sure on the last one. |
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The proof of training can be a DD-214, Texas Hunter Safety Course and maybe the Texas CHL course? I'm not sure on the last one. Quoted:
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Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. There is really no restriction if I am a Texas citizen on whether I can carry here with an AZ license? I knew there had to be a way around this. Thanks for the heads up! Nope. Send an email to AZDPS and request an application packet. You'll need some proof of training or a DD-214 and get your prints done on the cards they send you. It's only $60 and takes (they say) 75 days to process. The proof of training can be a DD-214, Texas Hunter Safety Course and maybe the Texas CHL course? I'm not sure on the last one. The way I read it a Texas CHL course was fine. Anyone know for certain? |
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Not according to the website I stepped through yesterday. I about half expected a tiny hand to come out of my mouse to give me a prostate check. The application process seems... thorough... Quoted:
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Apply for an AZ non-resident CHL... it's cheaper and you'll be able to carry in Texas. The only perk you won't have is the lack of NICS check when buying a gun. Resident and non-resident are the same permit. I was actually looking at getting my TX since I just moved back and my AZ permit had expired. Once I added up the fees, the having to wait another month till I hit the six month mark to be considered a resident again, listing five years worth of jobs and addresses, having to go to a "special" fingerprint place to get cards done (which means going downtown DFW), blah blah blah... It was just easier to have AZDPS send me a packet and I'll send them $60 bucks. For a Texas CHL there is no 6 month wait anymore. If you move to Texas with the intent to establish residency, you meet the residency requirment Not according to the website I stepped through yesterday. I about half expected a tiny hand to come out of my mouse to give me a prostate check. The application process seems... thorough... I don't know what website you stepped through, but it is fact. You don't even have to be a resident of Texas to get a CHL. Anyone from any state who meets the eligibility requirements is GTG. Persons in other states just have to come to Texas to take the class. Texas Government Code
Sec. 411.172. ELIGIBILITY. (a) A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person: (1) is a legal resident of this state for the six-month period preceding the date of application under this subchapter or is otherwise eligible for a license under Section 411.173(a); Sec. 411.173. NONRESIDENT LICENSE. (a) The department by rule shall establish a procedure for a person who meets the eligibility requirements of this subchapter other than the residency requirement established by Section 411.172(a)(1) to obtain a license under this subchapter if the person is a legal resident of another state or if the person relocates to this state with the intent to establish residency in this state. 
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Quoted: I don't know what website you stepped through, but it is fact. You don't even have to be a resident of Texas to get a CHL. Anyone from any state who meets the eligibility requirements is GTG. Persons in other states just have to come to Texas to take the class. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/txinvestigator/Mic-Drop_zpsgs2wonzz.gif lol Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: For a Texas CHL there is no 6 month wait anymore. If you move to Texas with the intent to establish residency, you meet the residency requirment Not according to the website I stepped through yesterday. I about half expected a tiny hand to come out of my mouse to give me a prostate check. The application process seems... thorough... I don't know what website you stepped through, but it is fact. You don't even have to be a resident of Texas to get a CHL. Anyone from any state who meets the eligibility requirements is GTG. Persons in other states just have to come to Texas to take the class. Texas Government Code Sec. 411.172. ELIGIBILITY. (a) A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person: (1) is a legal resident of this state for the six-month period preceding the date of application under this subchapter or is otherwise eligible for a license under Section 411.173(a); Sec. 411.173. NONRESIDENT LICENSE. (a) The department by rule shall establish a procedure for a person who meets the eligibility requirements of this subchapter other than the residency requirement established by Section 411.172(a)(1) to obtain a license under this subchapter if the person is a legal resident of another state or if the person relocates to this state with the intent to establish residency in this state. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/txinvestigator/Mic-Drop_zpsgs2wonzz.gif lol OK. Misread that. Still too many fees and weird requirements, so AZDPS packet it is. |
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OK. Misread that. Still too many fees and weird requirements, so AZDPS packet it is. Quoted:
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For a Texas CHL there is no 6 month wait anymore. If you move to Texas with the intent to establish residency, you meet the residency requirment Not according to the website I stepped through yesterday. I about half expected a tiny hand to come out of my mouse to give me a prostate check. The application process seems... thorough... I don't know what website you stepped through, but it is fact. You don't even have to be a resident of Texas to get a CHL. Anyone from any state who meets the eligibility requirements is GTG. Persons in other states just have to come to Texas to take the class. Texas Government Code
Sec. 411.172. ELIGIBILITY. (a) A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person: (1) is a legal resident of this state for the six-month period preceding the date of application under this subchapter or is otherwise eligible for a license under Section 411.173(a); Sec. 411.173. NONRESIDENT LICENSE. (a) The department by rule shall establish a procedure for a person who meets the eligibility requirements of this subchapter other than the residency requirement established by Section 411.172(a)(1) to obtain a license under this subchapter if the person is a legal resident of another state or if the person relocates to this state with the intent to establish residency in this state. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/txinvestigator/Mic-Drop_zpsgs2wonzz.gif lol OK. Misread that. Still too many fees and weird requirements, so AZDPS packet it is. $140 bucks for 4 years. How long is the AZ license valid? I really don't know.... What are the weird requirements for Texas? |
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Quoted: $140 bucks for 4 years. How long is the AZ license valid? I really don't know.... What are the weird requirements for Texas? Quoted: Quoted: $140 bucks for 4 years. How long is the AZ license valid? I really don't know.... What are the weird requirements for Texas? Arizona is $60 for five years. The only place I might visit that doesn't have reciprocity with them is Nevada. Wanting to know if you're employed/unemployed Employment history for 5 years Residential history for 5 years Drugs/alcohol treatment within 5 years? Provide doctor's note Have you seen a shrink? Fingerprints can only be taken at a single state sanctioned location Requires a photo I admit I might have been spoiled by AZ, but I don't remember the permit process in Texas in 2004 to have been quite so onerous. When I got an AZ permit there in '07 or '08 (Constitutional carry was just something some loonies were talking about at that point  ), I did a half day class at my local range, filled out some paperwork, had my prints done there by the employee, did a quick qual fire, threw everything into a packet and dropped it in the mail. I think the biggest pain point of the whole deal was having to go to th post office for a money order.I dunno. I haven't been to any drug treatment facilities, but I don't think the state needs to know if I had. I surely don't think, if I had been, that my doc needs to know anything about my gun ownership. Not sure why they care where I work or for how long. The fingerprint deal smacks of someone getting a kickback. Fingerprint cards aren't exactly rocket science and if I can go to half a dozen combo notary/fingerprint/passport photo places for just about any background check, I should be able to do the same for the carry permit. When I was in Arizona, I was an apartment dweller so I moved every year almost. There's a couple places where I'm not sure what the apartment was (was it 3093 or 3903 type stuff), and I would hate to accidentally lie on a government form. All in all it seems overly onerous to me, and none of that even gets into the crazy cost of it. |
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Arizona is $60 for five years. The only place I might visit that doesn't have reciprocity with them is Nevada. Wanting to know if you're employed/unemployed Employment history for 5 years Residential history for 5 years Drugs/alcohol treatment within 5 years? Provide doctor's note Have you seen a shrink? Fingerprints can only be taken at a single state sanctioned location Requires a photo I admit I might have been spoiled by AZ, but I don't remember the permit process in Texas in 2004 to have been quite so onerous. When I got an AZ permit there in '07 or '08 (Constitutional carry was just something some loonies were talking about at that point ), I did a half day class at my local range, filled out some paperwork, had my prints done there by the employee, did a quick qual fire, threw everything into a packet and dropped it in the mail. I think the biggest pain point of the whole deal was having to go to th post office for a money order.
I dunno. I haven't been to any drug treatment facilities, but I don't think the state needs to know if I had. I surely don't think, if I had been, that my doc needs to know anything about my gun ownership. Not sure why they care where I work or for how long. The fingerprint deal smacks of someone getting a kickback. Fingerprint cards aren't exactly rocket science and if I can go to half a dozen combo notary/fingerprint/passport photo places for just about any background check, I should be able to do the same for the carry permit. When I was in Arizona, I was an apartment dweller so I moved every year almost. There's a couple places where I'm not sure what the apartment was (was it 3093 or 3903 type stuff), and I would hate to accidentally lie on a government form. All in all it seems overly onerous to me, and none of that even gets into the crazy cost of it. Quoted:
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$140 bucks for 4 years. How long is the AZ license valid? I really don't know.... What are the weird requirements for Texas? Arizona is $60 for five years. The only place I might visit that doesn't have reciprocity with them is Nevada. Wanting to know if you're employed/unemployed Employment history for 5 years Residential history for 5 years Drugs/alcohol treatment within 5 years? Provide doctor's note Have you seen a shrink? Fingerprints can only be taken at a single state sanctioned location Requires a photo I admit I might have been spoiled by AZ, but I don't remember the permit process in Texas in 2004 to have been quite so onerous. When I got an AZ permit there in '07 or '08 (Constitutional carry was just something some loonies were talking about at that point ), I did a half day class at my local range, filled out some paperwork, had my prints done there by the employee, did a quick qual fire, threw everything into a packet and dropped it in the mail. I think the biggest pain point of the whole deal was having to go to th post office for a money order.
I dunno. I haven't been to any drug treatment facilities, but I don't think the state needs to know if I had. I surely don't think, if I had been, that my doc needs to know anything about my gun ownership. Not sure why they care where I work or for how long. The fingerprint deal smacks of someone getting a kickback. Fingerprint cards aren't exactly rocket science and if I can go to half a dozen combo notary/fingerprint/passport photo places for just about any background check, I should be able to do the same for the carry permit. When I was in Arizona, I was an apartment dweller so I moved every year almost. There's a couple places where I'm not sure what the apartment was (was it 3093 or 3903 type stuff), and I would hate to accidentally lie on a government form. All in all it seems overly onerous to me, and none of that even gets into the crazy cost of it. DPS does in person background checks in the counties where you have lived and worked, if in Texas. That is why they need addresses and work. If you live out of state, they do it via mail. Inked FP cards are notoriously unreliable and result in rejected prints The electronic prints have a near Zero failure rate. There are many locations unless you live way out in the boonies. I dunno, but a guy who has had inpatient treatment for drug or alcohol abuse recently probably isn't the best candidate for a CHL. I guess I just see it as a point of Texas pride; if you live here have a Texas CHL. I do get it that for some, it is just more efficient to go another route. Bet of luck to you. |
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Quoted: I dunno, but a guy who has had inpatient treatment for drug or alcohol abuse recently probably isn't the best candidate for a CHL. No offense, but that sort of mindset is why we don't already have permit-less carry in Texas. In the states where there is "Constitutional" carry, they haven't seen an increase in any sort of problems from law-abiding folks. In a state that brags about freedom and gun-rights, Texas is lagging way behind. |
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Branching off the CHL eligibility stuff...
Back in 2006 I was young and stupid in VA and got a Drunk in Public arrest. Now, I've already disclosed this on the CHL application but what do you think the odds are that they are going to require the certified case result from VA in order to finish the check? I've already put in with the county in VA to get a copy in case it's needed, but I'm hoping it won't slow things up too much. In VA it's a Class 4 misdemeanor that results only in a fine, haven't checked the TX laws but I rather doubt it's anything more than that here. |
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DPS does in person background checks in the counties where you have lived and worked, if in Texas. That is why they need addresses and work. If you live out of state, they do it via mail. In person background checks? Do they actually send someone? That doesn't seem terribly necessary. When I went to get my TXDL back they ran my info and found I had an unpaid traffic citation (red light camera shortly before I moved back). Halted the process. I cleared it up and went back. They ran the same check again and I came back clear. If they're collecting DL, Name, Birthdate and SSN they should be able to pull anything they want. Inked FP cards are notoriously unreliable and result in rejected prints The electronic prints have a near Zero failure rate. There are many locations unless you live way out in the boonies. AZ didn't seem to have any problems with the inked cards. Only location that shows up for me, living in Dallas county is downtown. That means I might as well book a day or half a day of vacation. I can get print cards done at half a dozen places around my apartment and it looks like they're open on weekends. I dunno, but a guy who has had inpatient treatment for drug or alcohol abuse recently probably isn't the best candidate for a CHL. Someone who went into a treatment program and came out the other side may or may not fall off the wagon. Is he any worse than a guy who kills a rack of beer every night but "doesn't have a problem"? Is TXDPS able to search a database of every treatment center in the country and access their patient records? There's a treatment center near Lubbock (home town) that is basically a sober country club vacation and treats a lot of well to do kids and does a busy trade in politicians. Do they cough up records at the drop of a hat? I guess I just see it as a point of Texas pride; if you live here have a Texas CHL. I do get it that for some, it is just more efficient to go another route. I'd love to get a Texas permit. You have no idea what it meant to me to get my original, had it since I was 16 years old, license number back I know I sound like a huge puss, but I actually misted up a bit and felt like I was home after being gone. Bet of luck to you. Again, I'd love to have it, but it seems like so many undue burdens on a right. When I moved to AZ, I thought the Texas way was perfectly OK, and then I saw that with an easy permit system and open carry blood didn't run in the streets. When people started talking about Constitutional carry, I thought it was a bad idea because "who needs that. It's so easy to get a CCW card. Turns out I was wrong. I'm not going to twist off and go Zaminsky, but 2A stuff should be much easier. In ARFCOM tradition I might get both. I'm thrilled OC looks like it passed, and I'd love an excuse to get a nice El Paso Saddlery rig and a BBQ gun and take it down to Austin to shake my tail feathers at Acevedo... Going to take some pondering on that... 
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Quoted: DPS does in person background checks in the counties where you have lived and worked, if in Texas. That is why they need addresses and work. If you live out of state, they do it via mail. Inked FP cards are notoriously unreliable and result in rejected prints The electronic prints have a near Zero failure rate. There are many locations unless you live way out in the boonies. I dunno, but a guy who has had inpatient treatment for drug or alcohol abuse recently probably isn't the best candidate for a CHL. I guess I just see it as a point of Texas pride; if you live here have a Texas CHL. I do get it that for some, it is just more efficient to go another route. Bet of luck to you. The state shouldn't have access to your medical records in the first place. I'd rather there wasn't even a mandatory CHL, but as long as there is, I'd much rather have the people that sought treatment carrying that the ones that never did. |
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I dunno, but a guy who has had inpatient treatment for drug or alcohol abuse recently probably isn't the best candidate for a CHL. No offense, but that sort of mindset is why we don't already have permit-less carry in Texas. In the states where there is "Constitutional" carry, they haven't seen an increase in any sort of problems from law-abiding folks. In a state that brags about freedom and gun-rights, Texas is lagging way behind.
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Again, I'd love to have it, but it seems like so many undue burdens on a right. When I moved to AZ, I thought the Texas way was perfectly OK, and then I saw that with an easy permit system and open carry blood didn't run in the streets. When people started talking about Constitutional carry, I thought it was a bad idea because "who needs that. It's so easy to get a CCW card. Turns out I was wrong. I'm not going to twist off and go Zaminsky, but 2A stuff should be much easier. In ARFCOM tradition I might get both. I'm thrilled OC looks like it passed, and I'd love an excuse to get a nice El Paso Saddlery rig and a BBQ gun and take it down to Austin to shake my tail feathers at Acevedo... Going to take some pondering on that... Quoted:
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DPS does in person background checks in the counties where you have lived and worked, if in Texas. That is why they need addresses and work. If you live out of state, they do it via mail. In person background checks? Do they actually send someone? That doesn't seem terribly necessary. When I went to get my TXDL back they ran my info and found I had an unpaid traffic citation (red light camera shortly before I moved back). Halted the process. I cleared it up and went back. They ran the same check again and I came back clear. If they're collecting DL, Name, Birthdate and SSN they should be able to pull anything they want.Yep they send someone. It is necessary as many counties are not computerized, and many more do not report convictions to the state at all or in a timely fashion. Also, they cannot check for TRO's via computer. Same for the the tax assessor Inked FP cards are notoriously unreliable and result in rejected prints The electronic prints have a near Zero failure rate. There are many locations unless you live way out in the boonies. AZ didn't seem to have any problems with the inked cards. Only location that shows up for me, living in Dallas county is downtown. That means I might as well book a day or half a day of vacation. I can get print cards done at half a dozen places around my apartment and it looks like they're open on weekends.Many around Dallas I dunno, but a guy who has had inpatient treatment for drug or alcohol abuse recently probably isn't the best candidate for a CHL. Someone who went into a treatment program and came out the other side may or may not fall off the wagon. Is he any worse than a guy who kills a rack of beer every night but "doesn't have a problem"? Is TXDPS able to search a database of every treatment center in the country and access their patient records? There's a treatment center near Lubbock (home town) that is basically a sober country club vacation and treats a lot of well to do kids and does a busy trade in politicians. Do they cough up records at the drop of a hat?dunno, but I don't have a problem with the requirement I guess I just see it as a point of Texas pride; if you live here have a Texas CHL. I do get it that for some, it is just more efficient to go another route. I'd love to get a Texas permit. You have no idea what it meant to me to get my original, had it since I was 16 years old, license number back I know I sound like a huge puss, but I actually misted up a bit and felt like I was home after being gone. 
Bet of luck to you. Again, I'd love to have it, but it seems like so many undue burdens on a right. When I moved to AZ, I thought the Texas way was perfectly OK, and then I saw that with an easy permit system and open carry blood didn't run in the streets. When people started talking about Constitutional carry, I thought it was a bad idea because "who needs that. It's so easy to get a CCW card. Turns out I was wrong. I'm not going to twist off and go Zaminsky, but 2A stuff should be much easier. In ARFCOM tradition I might get both. I'm thrilled OC looks like it passed, and I'd love an excuse to get a nice El Paso Saddlery rig and a BBQ gun and take it down to Austin to shake my tail feathers at Acevedo... Going to take some pondering on that... Thumbs up |
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Quoted: Yeah, no its not. "Law abiding folks" ;) OK Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I dunno, but a guy who has had inpatient treatment for drug or alcohol abuse recently probably isn't the best candidate for a CHL. No offense, but that sort of mindset is why we don't already have permit-less carry in Texas. In the states where there is "Constitutional" carry, they haven't seen an increase in any sort of problems from law-abiding folks. In a state that brags about freedom and gun-rights, Texas is lagging way behind. OK Says the guy who obviously has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo... "CHL Instructor."  I moved to Texas from a state with non-licensed open carry. It really makes jackshit of a difference. |
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DPS does in person background checks in the counties where you have lived and worked, if in Texas. That is why they need addresses and work. If you live out of state, they do it via mail. In person background checks? Do they actually send someone? That doesn't seem terribly necessary. When I went to get my TXDL back they ran my info and found I had an unpaid traffic citation (red light camera shortly before I moved back). Halted the process. I cleared it up and went back. They ran the same check again and I came back clear. If they're collecting DL, Name, Birthdate and SSN they should be able to pull anything they want.Yep they send someone. It is necessary as many counties are not computerized, and many more do not report convictions to the state at all or in a timely fashion. Also, they cannot check for TRO's via computer. Same for the the tax assessor Inked FP cards are notoriously unreliable and result in rejected prints The electronic prints have a near Zero failure rate. There are many locations unless you live way out in the boonies. AZ didn't seem to have any problems with the inked cards. Only location that shows up for me, living in Dallas county is downtown. That means I might as well book a day or half a day of vacation. I can get print cards done at half a dozen places around my apartment and it looks like they're open on weekends.Many around Dallas I dunno, but a guy who has had inpatient treatment for drug or alcohol abuse recently probably isn't the best candidate for a CHL. Someone who went into a treatment program and came out the other side may or may not fall off the wagon. Is he any worse than a guy who kills a rack of beer every night but "doesn't have a problem"? Is TXDPS able to search a database of every treatment center in the country and access their patient records? There's a treatment center near Lubbock (home town) that is basically a sober country club vacation and treats a lot of well to do kids and does a busy trade in politicians. Do they cough up records at the drop of a hat?dunno, but I don't have a problem with the requirement I guess I just see it as a point of Texas pride; if you live here have a Texas CHL. I do get it that for some, it is just more efficient to go another route. I'd love to get a Texas permit. You have no idea what it meant to me to get my original, had it since I was 16 years old, license number back I know I sound like a huge puss, but I actually misted up a bit and felt like I was home after being gone.
Bet of luck to you. Again, I'd love to have it, but it seems like so many undue burdens on a right. When I moved to AZ, I thought the Texas way was perfectly OK, and then I saw that with an easy permit system and open carry blood didn't run in the streets. When people started talking about Constitutional carry, I thought it was a bad idea because "who needs that. It's so easy to get a CCW card. Turns out I was wrong. I'm not going to twist off and go Zaminsky, but 2A stuff should be much easier. In ARFCOM tradition I might get both. I'm thrilled OC looks like it passed, and I'd love an excuse to get a nice El Paso Saddlery rig and a BBQ gun and take it down to Austin to shake my tail feathers at Acevedo... Going to take some pondering on that... Thumbs up I think the mental health/substance abuse treatment part is probably the last thing that's really bugging me. Been reading around some other boards/threads and thinking about getting back from my last gov't sponsored desert vacation before I ETS'd in 2004. Going to the VA was something that we were supposed to encourage our soldiers to do as they were getting out. We were supposed to be watching to make sure no one was suicidal or drinking themselves to death in the barracks. We were supposed to make sure they understood that it wasn't going to render them second class citizens and this goes right against it. Getting Joe to the docs if they needed it was hard enough... Things like this make it harder. |