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2/9/2015 4:13:19 PM EDT
Ok, so i have a saga i want to sell. I get the face/face and even in state sales i can mail directly to them but should use a ffl. Out of state i have to use a ffl right. Now, the main question is payment. Is it badbad etiquette to ask for only check or money order In the EE? I dont have a paypal account and hear that can be tricky with guns & hope this is the only gun i need to sell. Any advice on selling would be great.
2/9/2015 5:02:21 PM EDT
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Ok, so i have a saga i want to sell. I get the face/face and even in state sales i can mail directly to them but should use a ffl. Out of state i have to use a ffl right. Now, the main question is payment. Is it badbad etiquette to ask for only check or money order In the EE? I dont have a paypal account and hear that can be tricky with guns & hope this is the only gun i need to sell. Any advice on selling would be great.
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I do USPS/MO 99%, a few times a check. Never paypal, do not even have an account. You are the seller, you set the terms.
2/9/2015 5:09:09 PM EDT
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It is not bad form to ask for a secure method of payment. All sensible folks know that you're just trying to protect yourself, and anyone who has an issue with it is likely someone you should avoid doing a transaction with.

If you ship a firearm, it must go to an FFL holder.
2/9/2015 5:11:07 PM EDT
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Not if the buyer and seller reside in the same state.
2/9/2015 6:03:02 PM EDT
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PayPal does not allow firearms sales.  They will lock your account if they discover you broke their rules.
2/9/2015 7:05:51 PM EDT
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It is not bad form to ask for a secure method of payment. All sensible folks know that you're just trying to protect yourself, and anyone who has an issue with it is likely someone you should avoid doing a transaction with.

If you ship a firearm, it must go to an FFL holder.


Not if the buyer and seller reside in the same state.



LONG GUNS not Hand Guns. unless somethings changed.
2/9/2015 7:15:33 PM EDT
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It is not bad form to ask for a secure method of payment. All sensible folks know that you're just trying to protect yourself, and anyone who has an issue with it is likely someone you should avoid doing a transaction with.

If you ship a firearm, it must go to an FFL holder.


Not if the buyer and seller reside in the same state.



LONG GUNS not Hand Guns. unless somethings changed.



You can ship a handgun directly to a individual in the same state

From the ATF FAQ;

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
2/9/2015 7:17:02 PM EDT
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It is not bad form to ask for a secure method of payment. All sensible folks know that you're just trying to protect yourself, and anyone who has an issue with it is likely someone you should avoid doing a transaction with.

If you ship a firearm, it must go to an FFL holder.


Not if the buyer and seller reside in the same state.



LONG GUNS not Hand Guns. unless somethings changed.


Nope, doesn't make a difference, nothing has changed.
2/9/2015 7:43:34 PM EDT
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Alright, cool,  thanks for the info guys.
2/9/2015 8:07:53 PM EDT
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It is not bad form to ask for a secure method of payment. All sensible folks know that you're just trying to protect yourself, and anyone who has an issue with it is likely someone you should avoid doing a transaction with.

If you ship a firearm, it must go to an FFL holder.


Not if the buyer and seller reside in the same state.



LONG GUNS not Hand Guns. unless somethings changed.


Any firearm, but the trick is finding a carrier who will ship between two non-FFLs.
2/9/2015 8:22:59 PM EDT
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You can ship a handgun directly to a individual in the same state

From the ATF FAQ;

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
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It is not bad form to ask for a secure method of payment. All sensible folks know that you're just trying to protect yourself, and anyone who has an issue with it is likely someone you should avoid doing a transaction with.

If you ship a firearm, it must go to an FFL holder.


Not if the buyer and seller reside in the same state.



LONG GUNS not Hand Guns. unless somethings changed.



You can ship a handgun directly to a individual in the same state

From the ATF FAQ;

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

Correct, but neither FedEx or UPS tariffs permit a nonlicensee to nonlicensee shipment.
If you choose to sneak it through as machine parts you will get nothing on a claim for loss or damage.

2/9/2015 8:37:57 PM EDT
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Just sell it FTF.
2/9/2015 10:59:40 PM EDT
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Correct, but neither FedEx or UPS tariffs permit a nonlicensee to nonlicensee shipment.

If you choose to sneak it through as machine parts you will get nothing on a claim for loss or damage.



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It is not bad form to ask for a secure method of payment. All sensible folks know that you're just trying to protect yourself, and anyone who has an issue with it is likely someone you should avoid doing a transaction with.



If you ship a firearm, it must go to an FFL holder.




Not if the buyer and seller reside in the same state.







LONG GUNS not Hand Guns. unless somethings changed.






You can ship a handgun directly to a individual in the same state



From the ATF FAQ;



A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.


Correct, but neither FedEx or UPS tariffs permit a nonlicensee to nonlicensee shipment.

If you choose to sneak it through as machine parts you will get nothing on a claim for loss or damage.







 
I thought I read somewhere that handguns have to be shipped by an FFL?
2/9/2015 11:22:14 PM EDT
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If you choose to sneak it through as machine parts you will get nothing on a claim for loss or damage.


  I thought I read somewhere that handguns have to be shipped by an FFL?

There is no Federal law or ATF regulation that requires a firearm be shipped by or from an FFL. With three narrow exceptions, all interstate firearms shipments must be shipped TO a licensed dealer.

USPS allows anyone to mail a rifle or shotgun, but only licensed dealers and manufacturers can mail firearms OTHER THAN rifles or shotguns (handguns, frames, receivers, etc)
2/9/2015 11:27:16 PM EDT
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There is no Federal law or ATF regulation that requires a firearm be shipped by or from an FFL. With three narrow exceptions, all interstate firearms shipments must be shipped TO a licensed dealer.



USPS allows anyone to mail a rifle or shotgun, but only licensed dealers and manufacturers can mail firearms OTHER THAN rifles or shotguns (handguns, frames, receivers, etc)
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  I thought I read somewhere that handguns have to be shipped by an FFL?


There is no Federal law or ATF regulation that requires a firearm be shipped by or from an FFL. With three narrow exceptions, all interstate firearms shipments must be shipped TO a licensed dealer.



USPS allows anyone to mail a rifle or shotgun, but only licensed dealers and manufacturers can mail firearms OTHER THAN rifles or shotguns (handguns, frames, receivers, etc)




 
So...Pretty much what I was saying?
2/9/2015 11:35:22 PM EDT
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  I thought I read somewhere that handguns have to be shipped by an FFL?

There is no Federal law or ATF regulation that requires a firearm be shipped by or from an FFL. With three narrow exceptions, all interstate firearms shipments must be shipped TO a licensed dealer.

USPS allows anyone to mail a rifle or shotgun, but only licensed dealers and manufacturers can mail firearms OTHER THAN rifles or shotguns (handguns, frames, receivers, etc)

  So...Pretty much what I was saying?

Uhhh................no. Reread what I wrote..
ANYONE can ship a firearm of ANY TYPE via a common carrier (UPS or FedEx) as long as it is RECEIVED by a licensed dealer.
2/9/2015 11:50:32 PM EDT
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Uhhh................no. Reread what I wrote..
ANYONE can ship a firearm of ANY TYPE via a common carrier (UPS or FedEx) as long as it is RECEIVED by a licensed dealer.
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  I thought I read somewhere that handguns have to be shipped by an FFL?

There is no Federal law or ATF regulation that requires a firearm be shipped by or from an FFL. With three narrow exceptions, all interstate firearms shipments must be shipped TO a licensed dealer.

USPS allows anyone to mail a rifle or shotgun, but only licensed dealers and manufacturers can mail firearms OTHER THAN rifles or shotguns (handguns, frames, receivers, etc)

  So...Pretty much what I was saying?

Uhhh................no. Reread what I wrote..
ANYONE can ship a firearm of ANY TYPE via a common carrier (UPS or FedEx) as long as it is RECEIVED by a licensed dealer.


Yea, I have 2 FFL's here near me in Plano who have confirmed this.  But generally, for me to ship a handgun overnight the cost is extremely high.  For my FFL to ship it I generally pay about 1/5th the cost, meaning the $20 FFL fee is well worth it.
2/9/2015 11:53:52 PM EDT
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Nvm
2/10/2015 12:15:03 AM EDT
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Yea, I have 2 FFL's here near me in Plano who have confirmed this.  But generally, for me to ship a handgun overnight the cost is extremely high.  For my FFL to ship it I generally pay about 1/5th the cost, meaning the $20 FFL fee is well worth it.
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  I thought I read somewhere that handguns have to be shipped by an FFL?

There is no Federal law or ATF regulation that requires a firearm be shipped by or from an FFL. With three narrow exceptions, all interstate firearms shipments must be shipped TO a licensed dealer.

USPS allows anyone to mail a rifle or shotgun, but only licensed dealers and manufacturers can mail firearms OTHER THAN rifles or shotguns (handguns, frames, receivers, etc)

  So...Pretty much what I was saying?

Uhhh................no. Reread what I wrote..
ANYONE can ship a firearm of ANY TYPE via a common carrier (UPS or FedEx) as long as it is RECEIVED by a licensed dealer.


Yea, I have 2 FFL's here near me in Plano who have confirmed this.  But generally, for me to ship a handgun overnight the cost is extremely high.  For my FFL to ship it I generally pay about 1/5th the cost, meaning the $20 FFL fee is well worth it.

Some FFL's in Plano do it for $10
2/10/2015 1:19:56 AM EDT
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This
2/10/2015 7:52:02 AM EDT
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FTF or ship on buyer's dime.
I'm seeing this more and more.
2/10/2015 10:21:38 AM EDT
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For handguns, I usually go with a local FFL for shipping since he charges me $25 to throw it in a USPS flat rate box that costs him $15.
2/11/2015 2:00:04 AM EDT
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What Dogtown Tom is saying, contact him and he will get it to where it needs to be. He is good people, he has done a couple of these for me, and is my go to FFL for everything else.
2/11/2015 12:09:53 PM EDT
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The one gun I sold to someone in another state went this way. Of course, I sold it at a great price (for him), so he didn't mind the extra $15.
2/21/2015 1:06:24 PM EDT
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Actually the easiest way for long guns in state - between 2 non-licensees is the US Mail. No requirement for FFL. Now, it may be more expensive, but definitely possible. Sent a buddy an AR on the other side of the state. Cost $37 with $1500 insurance.