Posted: 8/25/2014 6:31:09 PM EDT
Verbiage is there in both English and Spanish, and size is appropriate. Seems hard to see without contrasting colors though? Friend took this at At&t Performing Arts Center in downtown Dallas.
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Verbiage is there in both English and Spanish, and size is appropriate. Seems hard to see without contrasting colors though? Friend took this at At&t Performing Arts Center in downtown Dallas. https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10626449_10154532311300183_6566503487075632940_n.jpg?oh=2c86db86b8526d1af4afed272ceb4c5e&oe=54684FBC Contrasting does not mean opposite colors. I wouldn't test that. |
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Clear glass doesn't contrast with anything, and that text is the same color as the floor behind it. I wouldn't consider it very conspicuous either, and the language doesn't seem to be identical to what is described in 30.06. But none of that really matters, and I'd still count on getting arrested if you got caught carrying past it. |
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Quoted: Is clear a color though? I didn't see it in person so the picture could make it look more subtle than in real life. I don't plan on going there, and I wouldn't carry in either if I did with the sign being there. No, but the guy arresting you won't give a shit. |
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You'd almost think that concealed carry was discouraged here, given some of the discussions I've seen going on here and elsewhere... It's not discouraged. What is discouraged is promotion of illegal activities on this site. IE Illegal carry of a handgun by a license holder. That's why you see the debate about legal signage and effective notice. |
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It's not discouraged. What is discouraged is promotion of illegal activities on this site. IE Illegal carry of a handgun by a license holder. That's why you see the debate about legal signage and effective notice. Quoted:
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You'd almost think that concealed carry was discouraged here, given some of the discussions I've seen going on here and elsewhere... It's not discouraged. What is discouraged is promotion of illegal activities on this site. IE Illegal carry of a handgun by a license holder. That's why you see the debate about legal signage and effective notice. I understand that. What I don't understand is the apparent willingness to give away basic rights, then turn around and pay for them under the name "privileges," only to be told, no, you can't have that right here. Or there. Or over there. Nope, not there either, etcetera. The whole permit system is based on the presumption that a clerk in an office somewhere is qualified to grant you the privilege of carrying a weapon. I get the reasoning most people use to rationalize it and regulate it, but even though I go through the trouble, time and expense of getting a permit, I don't believe we should need one. Definitely don't think the almighty state has any business telling me whether or not I can carry here, there or anywhere. I don't go around looking for or causing trouble, and the implied mistrust that is the basis of any permit system is offensive to me. That energy and expense could be put to better use pursuing and punishing actual criminals, but that'll never happen. It's easier to force the law-abiding to jump through idiotic hoops, because they're the only ones obeying these dumb laws in the first place. |
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What I don't understand is the apparent willingness to give away basic rights, then turn around and pay for them under the name "privileges," only to be told, no, you can't have that right here. Or there. Or over there. Nope, not there either, etcetera. These rights you speak of were taken away in 1871, so I do not think you will find anyone alive with "apparent willingness to give away basic rights". All we today are doing is trying to get them back, one step at a time, and we have made more progress in the past 20 years than those before us did in the previous 100 years. |
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Well, science. Clear isn't a color, so it can't be a contrasting color with anything. Quoted:
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Clear glass doesn't contrast with anything, Well, science. Clear isn't a color, so it can't be a contrasting color with anything. Well, case law trumps science every time.  doesn't make it right, just the way it is.
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This is where we get into the details like in the other thread, about a missing comma, extra "a".
Where the law says: (3) "Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following So a missing comma and extra "a" means it's not identical. (B) a sign posted on the property that:
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height Clear is not a color, so the "sign" (if a frosted glass door/pane can be considered a sign even?) is in fact not in contrasting colors. Of course as we have seen in other cases, sometimes the letter of the law still gets you arrested ("illegal knife" and CHL). |
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If you have case law, post it up. Quoted:
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Well, case law trumps science every time. doesn't make it right, just the way it is.If you have case law, post it up. That is kinda the point. Unless you have researched 15+ years of case law, you do not know if that sign has been upheld as valid or not. |
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Quoted: Well, case law trumps science every time. doesn't make it right, just the way it is.So basically every law is meaningless, because words like "color" aren't defined in the law and can mean anything? In that case, even "sign" can mean whatever they want it to, and there's basically no reason to even try to follow the law. |
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So basically every law is meaningless, because words like "color" aren't defined in the law and can mean anything? In that case, even "sign" can mean whatever they want it to, and there's basically no reason to even try to follow the law. Quoted:
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Well, case law trumps science every time. doesn't make it right, just the way it is.So basically every law is meaningless, because words like "color" aren't defined in the law and can mean anything? In that case, even "sign" can mean whatever they want it to, and there's basically no reason to even try to follow the law. How about this... Conceal carry into that business with your CHL. Find and immediately inform the Manager that you have a CHL and are carrying a firearm, and their 30.06 sign isn't legal and let's see how it plays out...  
If you want to play stupid games you win stupid prizes... That picture is a PHOTOGRAPH.... "Normal" photographs do not do justice to the etching in the glass which is VERY easily read and blatant to anyone entering........... Please STOP with non-sense... |
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How about this... Conceal carry into that business with your CHL. Find and immediately inform the Manager that you have a CHL and are carrying a firearm, and their 30.06 sign isn't legal and let's see how it plays out...
If you want to play stupid games you win stupid prizes... That picture is a PHOTOGRAPH.... "Normal" photographs do not do justice to the etching in the glass which is VERY easily read and blatant to anyone entering........... Please STOP with non-sense... Quoted:
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Well, case law trumps science every time. doesn't make it right, just the way it is.So basically every law is meaningless, because words like "color" aren't defined in the law and can mean anything? In that case, even "sign" can mean whatever they want it to, and there's basically no reason to even try to follow the law. How about this... Conceal carry into that business with your CHL. Find and immediately inform the Manager that you have a CHL and are carrying a firearm, and their 30.06 sign isn't legal and let's see how it plays out...
If you want to play stupid games you win stupid prizes... That picture is a PHOTOGRAPH.... "Normal" photographs do not do justice to the etching in the glass which is VERY easily read and blatant to anyone entering........... Please STOP with non-sense... Exactly. Common sense people. Perhaps you should google it. |
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Quoted: How about this... Conceal carry into that business with your CHL. Find and immediately inform the Manager that you have a CHL and are carrying a firearm, and their 30.06 sign isn't legal and let's see how it plays out... If you want to play stupid games you win stupid prizes... That picture is a PHOTOGRAPH.... "Normal" photographs do not do justice to the etching in the glass which is VERY easily read and blatant to anyone entering........... Please STOP with non-sense... Take a class on reading. It would do you a lot of good. All I said was the sign doesn't meet the legal requirements, I never once said that you wouldn't get arrested for it anyway. |
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Take a class on reading. It would do you a lot of good. All I said was the sign doesn't meet the legal requirements, I never once said that you wouldn't get arrested for it anyway. Quoted:
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How about this... Conceal carry into that business with your CHL. Find and immediately inform the Manager that you have a CHL and are carrying a firearm, and their 30.06 sign isn't legal and let's see how it plays out...
If you want to play stupid games you win stupid prizes... That picture is a PHOTOGRAPH.... "Normal" photographs do not do justice to the etching in the glass which is VERY easily read and blatant to anyone entering........... Please STOP with non-sense... Take a class on reading. It would do you a lot of good. All I said was the sign doesn't meet the legal requirements, I never once said that you wouldn't get arrested for it anyway. I can read... Please see bold text and refer back to my original reply............ You don't agree with the business on their policies for customer's with weapons, then DON'T SHOP THERE... Again... PLEASE STOP WITH NON-SENSE............. |
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Quoted: I CAN READ... Please see bold text and refer back to my original reply............ Again... PLEASE STOP WITH NON-SENSE............. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How about this... Conceal carry into that business with your CHL. Find and immediately inform the Manager that you have a CHL and are carrying a firearm, and their 30.06 sign isn't legal and let's see how it plays out... If you want to play stupid games you win stupid prizes... That picture is a PHOTOGRAPH.... "Normal" photographs do not do justice to the etching in the glass which is VERY easily read and blatant to anyone entering........... Please STOP with non-sense... Take a class on reading. It would do you a lot of good. All I said was the sign doesn't meet the legal requirements, I never once said that you wouldn't get arrested for it anyway. I CAN READ... Please see bold text and refer back to my original reply............ Again... PLEASE STOP WITH NON-SENSE............. Maybe you can, you're just damn terrible at it. People get arrested for doing things that aren't illegal. The validity of the sign and the likelihood of someone's arrest are two separate issues. It really doesn't matter what the law says, because they'll give any illiterate in this state a badge. You can get arrested for disorderly conduct for wearing a red shirt. Doesn't mean you'll get convicted of anything or that it's a good arrest, but it doesn't make you any less arrested. Unless you can find somewhere in this thread where I said someone should carry past that sign and wouldn't get arrested, then you're post is completely pointless and you're just arguing with yourself. As usual, you manage to argue against a point nobody made. |
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Quoted:Maybe you can, you're just damn terrible at it. People get arrested for doing things that aren't illegal.
The validity of the sign and the likelihood of someone's arrest are two separate issues. It really doesn't matter what the law says, because they'll give any illiterate in this state a badge. You can get arrested for disorderly conduct for wearing a red shirt. Doesn't mean you'll get convicted of anything or that it's a good arrest, but it doesn't make you any less arrested. Unless you can find somewhere in this thread where I said someone should carry past that sign and wouldn't get arrested, then you're post is completely pointless and you're just arguing with yourself. As usual, you manage to argue against a point nobody made.
Quoted:Maybe you can, you're just damn terrible at it. People get arrested for doing things that aren't illegal.
The validity of the sign and the likelihood of someone's arrest are two separate issues. It really doesn't matter what the law says, because they'll give any illiterate in this state a badge. You can get arrested for disorderly conduct for wearing a red shirt. Doesn't mean you'll get convicted of anything or that it's a good arrest, but it doesn't make you any less arrested. Unless you can find somewhere in this thread where I said someone should carry past that sign and wouldn't get arrested, then you're post is completely pointless and you're just arguing with yourself. As usual, you manage to argue against a point nobody made.
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So basically every law is meaningless, because words like "color" aren't defined in the law and can mean anything? In that case, even "sign" can mean whatever they want it to, and there's basically no reason to even try to follow the law. Sounds like to me your advocating you wouldn't be arrested. As you've previously mentioned in your opinion sign isn't legal. |
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Quoted: Sounds like to me your advocating you wouldn't be arrested. As you've previously mentioned in your opinion sign isn't legal. And I also said that people still get arrested for things that aren't illegal. The statement you bolded was simply making a point, not advocating anything, but I see how it could be interpreted that way. I thought my previous posts in this thread clearly stating I believe one would be arrested would have made that clearer, but I should have known better. |
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And I also said that people still get arrested for things that aren't illegal. The statement you bolded was simply making a point, not advocating anything, but I see how it could be interpreted that way. I thought my previous posts in this thread clearly stating I believe one would be arrested would have made that clearer, but I should have known better. Quoted:
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Sounds like to me your advocating you wouldn't be arrested. As you've previously mentioned in your opinion sign isn't legal. And I also said that people still get arrested for things that aren't illegal. The statement you bolded was simply making a point, not advocating anything, but I see how it could be interpreted that way. I thought my previous posts in this thread clearly stating I believe one would be arrested would have made that clearer, but I should have known better. Misunderstanding on both of us as far as I'm concerned. I think we're on the same page now  Take care Brother
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