Posted: 5/27/2014 11:49:17 AM EDT
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Coworkers are trying to figure this out about traffic turns.
Let's say James is driving west bound and has a green left turn arrow and proceeds to make a U-turn. There is no prohibited U-turn sign so he makes it. At the same time, Dave going north has a green right turn arrow and makes the right turn. The both collide. Who is at fault in this scenario? |
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Coworkers are trying to figure this out about traffic turns. Let's say James is driving west bound and has a green left turn arrow and proceeds to make a U-turn. There is no prohibited U-turn sign so he makes it. At the same time, Dave going north has a green right turn arrow and makes the left turn. The both collide. Who is at fault in this scenario? Bush's fault. |
City  If there is a right green arrow, there would have to be a prohibition of u-turns, otherwise you're just asking for an accident.
If I'm making the right on green, I'm still looking for a car making a u-turn, no matter what. Also, if I'm making the u-turn, I'm looking for somebody making a right into my new lanes. But I would agree, nobody at fault, pay your own bills. If you're set on finding somebody at fault, look at the cars, whose front end hit the side/rear of the other car? |
| I think technically it would be "Dave's" fault, but it would also depend on how that particular intersection is setup and patterned. Dave probably would have had a red light with a green right turn turn arrow which is not the same as James who probably would have a green light with a green left turn arrow. Dave should have come to a stop/yielded if there was traffic making a green light U-turn in front of him. |
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Coworkers are trying to figure this out about traffic turns. Let's say James is driving west bound and has a green left turn arrow and proceeds to make a U-turn. There is no prohibited U-turn sign so he makes it. At the same time, Dave going north has a green right turn arrow and makes the left turn. The both collide. Who is at fault in this scenario? |
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Quoted: Coworkers are trying to figure this out about traffic turns. Let's say James is driving west bound and has a green left turn arrow and proceeds to make a U-turn. There is no prohibited U-turn sign so he makes it. At the same time, Dave going north has a green right turn arrow and makes the left turn. The both collide. Who is at fault in this scenario? Dave made a left turn in violation. If he has a right turn arrow, then he cant go left. And, I've never seen this traffic pattern before or why there needs to be a right turn arrow if theres no sign prohibiting right turn on red. |
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Coworkers are trying to figure this out about traffic turns. Let's say James is driving west bound and has a green left turn arrow and proceeds to make a U-turn. There is no prohibited U-turn sign so he makes it. At the same time, Dave going north has a green right turn arrow and makes the left turn. The both collide. Who is at fault in this scenario? Seriously? First question is why would Dave turn left on a right indication? He was at fault, end of discussion. His movement through the intersection had NOTHING to do with the signal indication. Second, whoever designed the intersection should not have phased it so the WB left turn phase would run concurrently with the right turn arrow, and if they did, they should have prohibited a U turn. The proper way to design the intersection would be to allow NB traffic a free right turn on red. If you really want to delve in to this, read Section 4 of the Texas Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices and get back to us! |
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If you really want to delve in to this, read Section 4 of the Texas Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices and get back to us! This... The westbound left is supposed to have a No U-Turn sign in that scenario, to prevent that exact occurrence. That said, I tend to dislike the signal trivia discussions my colleagues are always having. Between driverless cars and roundabouts, I'm always telling them that the specialty is on its way out. |
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hahaha. I just caught that mistake! Edited! Dave is turning right on the right turn green arrow! Then the guy who designed the intersection is at fault because by giving NB traffic a right turn arrow, he created a conflicting move with the WB turn lane whose motorists SHOULD be able to make a U-turn. Open records request, lawsuit, etc. |
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Then the guy who designed the intersection is at fault because by giving NB traffic a right turn arrow, he created a conflicting move with the WB turn lane whose motorists SHOULD be able to make a U-turn. Open records request, lawsuit, etc. Quoted:
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hahaha. I just caught that mistake! Edited! Dave is turning right on the right turn green arrow! Then the guy who designed the intersection is at fault because by giving NB traffic a right turn arrow, he created a conflicting move with the WB turn lane whose motorists SHOULD be able to make a U-turn. Open records request, lawsuit, etc. Exactly |
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I thought it was illegal to make a U-turn at a signalized intersection unless it was marked that you could do so?
I think in my case it was a city ordinance. If it is municipality you need to check and see if there in a city ordinance on it, and it would not necessarily be marked. In reading state law it allows it, but I think the winner would be the right on green guy. My reason for this is during the second half of your U-turn, it would be as if you are making a left turn theoretically on a red light against traffic coming from the opposite direction. The guy turning right has a green light and you do not. At this point, although not technically illegal to U-turn, I believe the U-turn guy should have yielded the right of way. |
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Coworkers are trying to figure this out about traffic turns. Let's say James is driving west bound and has a green left turn arrow and proceeds to make a U-turn. There is no prohibited U-turn sign so he makes it. At the same time, Dave going north has a green right turn arrow and makes the left turn. The both collide. Who is at fault in this scenario? Bush's fault. This should not have made me laugh as hard as I did! 
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