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12/28/2013 1:56:38 PM EDT
The wife is sick so I went shopping today. Sprouts was on the list for a few items. Previously they just had the 'unlicensed carry' signs. Today I happened to notice some new (what appear to be) properly posted 30.06 signs. Apparently they have done this throughout Texas.

Already told the wife f'em, done shopping there.

This particular one is here in Mckinney on Custer and Virginia.
12/28/2013 2:09:10 PM EDT
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The wife is sick so I went shopping today. Sprouts was on the list for a few items. Previously they just had the 'unlicensed carry' signs. Today I happened to notice some new (what appear to be) properly posted 30.06 signs. Apparently they have done this throughout Texas.

Already told the wife f'em, done shopping there.

This particular one is here in Mckinney on Custer and Virginia.
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Does this place sell alcohol?

Why do you write that they "appear" to have a 30.06 sign.  Can you describe it?
12/28/2013 2:28:49 PM EDT
[#2]
Yes, beer and wine.

I mean it appears to be properly posted. English/Spanish, contrasting, looks like the right height lettering, posted at both doors. It was a little hard to see at first, something was almost blocking it, but looks legit.
12/28/2013 2:32:53 PM EDT
[#3]
I have not seen one of these at my local Sprouts (Spring Cypress @ 249 in NW Houston) and it's not listed on Texas3006.com, but I'll try to swing by there in the next day or two to verify.
12/28/2013 2:59:07 PM EDT
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Yes, beer and wine.

I mean it appears to be properly posted. English/Spanish, contrasting, looks like the right height lettering, posted at both doors. It was a little hard to see at first, something was almost blocking it, but looks legit.
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I see, thanks

The "unlicensed possession" sign is required by law, and tells people not licensed to carry that if they carry there it is a felony.  

Too bad they went 30.06.
12/28/2013 3:21:52 PM EDT
[#5]
Just got a response (generic email) from them 2 or 3 hours ago about this, "bla bla bla hope to see you soon". Goodbye Sprouts!
12/28/2013 3:33:04 PM EDT
[#6]
Wow if they posted at the one near me they will never get a dime of my money again.  Fuggin liberal hippies
12/30/2013 5:12:37 AM EDT
[#7]
Saw the signs last night at McKinneySprouts.  Appears legit and correctly posted.   Their corporate office is gonna hear about it from me today.  They just lost another customer.  At least Whole Foods isn't far off in Allen, and they are not posted.
12/30/2013 5:58:18 AM EDT
[#8]
Be sure to hammer Sprouts on Facebook.
FB Sprouts
12/30/2013 8:34:43 AM EDT
[#9]
Add them to texas3006.com then email them the link showing their business as black listed by every CHL holder. My favorite thing to do other than asking the manager face to face who their top competitor is....then directions to that business.
12/30/2013 10:59:23 AM EDT
[#10]
Too bad, I went to the one in Cedar Hill a few times. I'll head back to Central Market and Whole Foods for my specialty grocery needs. They don't have anything special there that I can't get some place else.
12/30/2013 5:58:23 PM EDT
[#11]
I sit in the truck and surf the iPad when my wife shops the bush hawg factory. I do enjoy watching the freak show walking in and out and that's Round Rock. I can only imagine Austin or some other Kali outpost. I love the looks you get from Cam and Mitchell as they park the Mini Cooper next to your diesel idling into the drivers window. Suck it !!!!
12/30/2013 6:13:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Hmm..

I have a Sprouts REAL close here in Carrollton. I do normally shop there for certain items not easily found, as it's easier to access than the Tom Thumb catty-corner/across the street.

I haven't been in a number of days/over a week, but will be sorely disappointed if a 30.06 is posted on my next (and maybe last) visit.
12/30/2013 7:05:34 PM EDT
[#13]
I was just at the McKinney location and the signs are posted.
12/31/2013 3:44:23 AM EDT
[#14]
I'll have to go check out the Sprouts here in Corpus…if they did it, they won't see another dime of my money.





12/31/2013 7:47:49 AM EDT
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I have not seen one of these at my local Sprouts (Spring Cypress @ 249 in NW Houston) and it's not listed on Texas3006.com, but I'll try to swing by there in the next day or two to verify.
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I got an e-mail alert from Texas3006 about the McKinney and Plano locations.

I never went there, but it is on the no go list.
12/31/2013 8:22:30 AM EDT
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I maintain a text doc on my desktop with several versions of the wording shown below.  Any time I run into a merchant that I used to patronize (or would have patronized) that has a 30-06 sign, I try to remember to burn off a couple of emails when I get home.  It usually tanks only a minute or two to find a customer feedback/comments email address or a web page for feedback. Now much of the time I get no response or an automated "Thank you for your feedback" email, but occasionally I get a real email or even a phone call.  

If I'm really pissed, or if there is nothing on TV that night, I'll even search the Internet for email addresses for management and/or board members. You'd be surprised how often you can find info on a VP or CEO. With Sprouts, it took less than 5 minutes to send the message below to a customer feedback page and an investor relations feedback page.  

I suggest that everyone to the same.  While WE know that we are voting with our wallets, the merchant may not readily see it in fluctuating sales numbers, so we need to tell them directly.    I know of instances where a SINGLE customer email changed company polices of Fortune 500 companies.

Just remember to be polite in your contacts.  Hourly grunts and admin assistants are likely screening most of what gets sent. If you send professional sounding emails, that are fact based, and have a civilized tone, they are much more likely to get passed up the food chain to those that make decisions.



Your stores in the Dallas/Fort Worth area recently posted signage prohibiting customers holding valid Concealed Handgun Licenses (CHL) from entering the stores while carrying their concealed self defense weapon.

CHL holders are citizens that have received training, undergone proficiency testing, and willingly submitted fingerprints/photos to the FBI, for background checks. CHL holders are law abiding citizens, so you can rest assured that they will not enter your stores armed, as long as you have the current signs posted. You can also be assured that the majority will start shopping elsewhere.

I hope that you have considered that these signs also notifying the criminal element of our society that they will be the only ones armed in your stores and parking lots, making them easier targets … or perhaps you really believe that someone that is already willing to committing a violent crime will walk away from your store because of a sign on the front door?  
I, like many CHL holders, will not patronize your stores as long as you choose to continue this policy and keep the current signs posted.  Your company name has already been posted on several websites that maintain lists of anti-second amendment merchants. In addition to losing the dollars from CHL holder purchases, those of us that are serious about their second amendment rights also watch these lists to assure we do not maintain those stocks in our personal investment portfolios. I appeal to you to have your management and legal team revisit this issue and consider if it truly serves your stockholders.
 
Sincerely

Xxxx Xxxxx
Former Customer
12/31/2013 8:29:53 AM EDT
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I maintain a text doc on my desktop with several versions of the wording shown below.  Any time I run into a merchant that I used to patronize (or would have patronized) that has a 30-06 sign, I try to remember to burn off a couple of emails when I get home.  It usually tanks only a minute or two to find a customer feedback/comments email address or a web page for feedback. Now much of the time I get no response or an automated "Thank you for your feedback" email, but occasionally I get a real email or even a phone call.  

If I'm really pissed, or if there is nothing on TV that night, I'll even search the Internet for email addresses for management and/or board members. You'd be surprised how often you can find info on a VP or CEO. With Sprouts, it took less than 5 minutes to send the message below to a customer feedback page and an investor relations feedback page.  

I suggest that everyone to the same.  While WE know that we are voting with our wallets, the merchant may not readily see it in fluctuating sales numbers, so we need to tell them directly.    I know of instances where a SINGLE customer email changed company polices of Fortune 500 companies.

Just remember to be polite in your contacts.  Hourly grunts and admin assistants are likely screening most of what gets sent. If you send professional sounding emails, that are fact based, and have a civilized tone, they are much more likely to get passed up the food chain to those that make decisions.



Your stores in the Dallas/Fort Worth area recently posted signage prohibiting customers holding valid Concealed Handgun Licenses (CHL) from entering the stores while carrying their concealed self defense weapon.

CHL holders are citizens that have received training, undergone proficiency testing, and willingly submitted fingerprints/photos to the FBI, for background checks. CHL holders are law abiding citizens, so you can rest assured that they will not enter your stores armed, as long as you have the current signs posted. You can also be assured that the majority will start shopping elsewhere.

I hope that you have considered that these signs also notifying the criminal element of our society that they will be the only ones armed in your stores and parking lots, making them easier targets … or perhaps you really believe that someone that is already willing to committing a violent crime will walk away from your store because of a sign on the front door?  
I, like many CHL holders, will not patronize your stores as long as you choose to continue this policy and keep the current signs posted.  Your company name has already been posted on several websites that maintain lists of anti-second amendment merchants. In addition to losing the dollars from CHL holder purchases, those of us that are serious about their second amendment rights also watch these lists to assure we do not maintain those stocks in our personal investment portfolios. I appeal to you to have your management and legal team revisit this issue and consider if it truly serves your stockholders.
 
Sincerely

Xxxx Xxxxx
Former Customer
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NAK....nice letter..but...

IMO references to "Second Amendment" should be replace with "Civil Rights".  ie "anti-Civil Rights"

Our struggles are not just for one right, it's for all of our Civil Rights.  An attack on one Civil Right will ultimately result in an attack on all of them.


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12/31/2013 9:00:35 AM EDT
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I maintain a text doc on my desktop with several versions of the wording shown below.  Any time I run into a merchant that I used to patronize (or would have patronized) that has a 30-06 sign, I try to remember to burn off a couple of emails when I get home.  It usually tanks only a minute or two to find a customer feedback/comments email address or a web page for feedback. Now much of the time I get no response or an automated "Thank you for your feedback" email, but occasionally I get a real email or even a phone call.  

If I'm really pissed, or if there is nothing on TV that night, I'll even search the Internet for email addresses for management and/or board members. You'd be surprised how often you can find info on a VP or CEO. With Sprouts, it took less than 5 minutes to send the message below to a customer feedback page and an investor relations feedback page.  

I suggest that everyone to the same.  While WE know that we are voting with our wallets, the merchant may not readily see it in fluctuating sales numbers, so we need to tell them directly.    I know of instances where a SINGLE customer email changed company polices of Fortune 500 companies.

Just remember to be polite in your contacts.  Hourly grunts and admin assistants are likely screening most of what gets sent. If you send professional sounding emails, that are fact based, and have a civilized tone, they are much more likely to get passed up the food chain to those that make decisions.



Your stores in the Dallas/Fort Worth area recently posted signage prohibiting customers holding valid Concealed Handgun Licenses (CHL) from entering the stores while carrying their concealed self defense weapon.

CHL holders are citizens that have received training, undergone proficiency testing, and willingly submitted fingerprints/photos to the FBI, for background checks. CHL holders are law abiding citizens, so you can rest assured that they will not enter your stores armed, as long as you have the current signs posted. You can also be assured that the majority will start shopping elsewhere.

I hope that you have considered that these signs also notifying the criminal element of our society that they will be the only ones armed in your stores and parking lots, making them easier targets … or perhaps you really believe that someone that is already willing to committing a violent crime will walk away from your store because of a sign on the front door?  
I, like many CHL holders, will not patronize your stores as long as you choose to continue this policy and keep the current signs posted.  Your company name has already been posted on several websites that maintain lists of anti-second amendment merchants. In addition to losing the dollars from CHL holder purchases, those of us that are serious about their second amendment rights also watch these lists to assure we do not maintain those stocks in our personal investment portfolios. I appeal to you to have your management and legal team revisit this issue and consider if it truly serves your stockholders.
 
Sincerely

Xxxx Xxxxx
Former Customer
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I hope you don't mind if I use this. Its good.


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12/31/2013 10:23:25 AM EDT
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I have not seen one of these at my local Sprouts (Spring Cypress @ 249 in NW Houston) and it's not listed on Texas3006.com, but I'll try to swing by there in the next day or two to verify.
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Went there for the last time today.  Legit 30.06 signs were posted and after a good educational talk with the staff,who surprisingly were pro carry,  bid my farewell until the signs come down.

Here is a page with their  Corporate Brain Trust   that would love to hear from us Contact Page

And yes, they do have a toll free number (1-888-577-7688)
12/31/2013 10:35:23 AM EDT
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I got the following email from them:










Dear, XXXXX











Thank you for taking the time to share your ideas about our decision to prohibit firearms in our stores. Please understand that we recognize and respect our customers’ rights under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a right that prohibits the government (but not private retailers) from infringing on citizens’ right to bear arms.


That right, however, must be balanced with our need as a retailer to address concerns of a majority of our customers and team members. That's why, after careful and thoughtful analysis, we have decided to prohibit our customers and our team members from bringing firearms onto our store premises.


While this decision may disappoint some of our valued customers, such as yourself, we stand by our decision and have received overwhelmingly positive feedback from our communities about it.












































Susan Cameron


Customer Relations Manager


11811 N Tatum Blvd Suite #2400


Phoenix,AZ 85028


Direct 480-385-2341








I won't be shopping there, and I've let them know it.




















 
12/31/2013 10:51:24 AM EDT
[#21]
Confirmed @ the Carrollton, TX store near the corner of Josey & Hebron.

Lower left corner of both entrances.

12/31/2013 11:35:17 AM EDT
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They must be 'feelers', logic does not seem to apply.
12/31/2013 9:47:59 PM EDT
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I'm a CHL holder.  The issue is not a second amendment issue, nor is it a "civil rights" issue.  True rights are for a private property owner to be able to determine what is allowed on their property.  

With that being said, I don't have a problem with private businesses restricting what is brought on their property, including guns.  I certainly would not want the government telling me what I would have to allow on my own property.  HOWEVER, there is no way on God's green earth that any panty waste  simpleton sheep herder is going to get a dime of my money if they were to prohibit me from carrying on their property.  People like that don't value the safety or lives of their customers.  

So as far as I'm concerned, Sprouts can pound sand.
12/31/2013 10:19:10 PM EDT
[#24]
Yep.  Hippy heaven can stay dity hippy heaven without me.
1/1/2014 8:07:42 AM EDT
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I got the following email from them:

Dear, XXXXX



[span style='background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);']Thank you for taking the time to share your ideas about our decision to prohibit firearms in our stores. Please understand that we recognize and respect our customers’ rights under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a right that prohibits the government (but not private retailers) from infringing on citizens’ right to bear arms.
That right, however, must be balanced with our need as a retailer to address concerns of a majority of our customers and team members. That's why, after careful and thoughtful analysis, we have decided to prohibit our customers and our team members from bringing firearms onto our store premises.
While this decision may disappoint some of our valued customers, such as yourself, we stand by our decision and have received overwhelmingly positive feedback from our communities about it


I won't be shopping there, and I've let them know it.

 
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I received the exact response.

I wonder what "communities" they received feedback from? It looks like their Corp management is in Arizona, a very gun friendly state.  They have lot of stores in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia...my bet is their marketing firm is based there and the only info that was considered
1/1/2014 6:57:01 PM EDT
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Went there for the last time today.  Legit 30.06 signs were posted...
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I have not seen one of these at my local Sprouts (Spring Cypress @ 249 in NW Houston) and it's not listed on Texas3006.com, but I'll try to swing by there in the next day or two to verify.


Went there for the last time today.  Legit 30.06 signs were posted...


Thanks for checking. I've been meaning to swing by and have a look, but holidays are busy and I don't have many reasons to pass by there. Looks like I've got even less reason to make a special trip now.
1/2/2014 5:46:08 AM EDT
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The store in Richardson on Coit and Campbell also has correct signage posted on both entrances. Central Market and Whole Foods (that's ironic) will be getting all of my grocery money from now on.
1/2/2014 6:10:08 AM EDT
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I maintain a text doc on my desktop with several versions of the wording shown below.  Any time I run into a merchant that I used to patronize (or would have patronized) that has a 30-06 sign, I try to remember to burn off a couple of emails when I get home.  It usually tanks only a minute or two to find a customer feedback/comments email address or a web page for feedback. Now much of the time I get no response or an automated "Thank you for your feedback" email, but occasionally I get a real email or even a phone call.  

If I'm really pissed, or if there is nothing on TV that night, I'll even search the Internet for email addresses for management and/or board members. You'd be surprised how often you can find info on a VP or CEO. With Sprouts, it took less than 5 minutes to send the message below to a customer feedback page and an investor relations feedback page.  

I suggest that everyone to the same.  While WE know that we are voting with our wallets, the merchant may not readily see it in fluctuating sales numbers, so we need to tell them directly.    I know of instances where a SINGLE customer email changed company polices of Fortune 500 companies.

Just remember to be polite in your contacts.  Hourly grunts and admin assistants are likely screening most of what gets sent. If you send professional sounding emails, that are fact based, and have a civilized tone, they are much more likely to get passed up the food chain to those that make decisions.



Your stores in the Dallas/Fort Worth area recently posted signage prohibiting customers holding valid Concealed Handgun Licenses (CHL) from entering the stores while carrying their concealed self defense weapon.

CHL holders are citizens that have received training, undergone proficiency testing, and willingly submitted fingerprints/photos to the FBI, for background checks. CHL holders are law abiding citizens, so you can rest assured that they will not enter your stores armed, as long as you have the current signs posted. You can also be assured that the majority will start shopping elsewhere.

I hope that you have considered that these signs also notifying the criminal element of our society that they will be the only ones armed in your stores and parking lots, making them easier targets … or perhaps you really believe that someone that is already willing to committing a violent crime will walk away from your store because of a sign on the front door?  
I, like many CHL holders, will not patronize your stores as long as you choose to continue this policy and keep the current signs posted.  Your company name has already been posted on several websites that maintain lists of anti-second amendment merchants. In addition to losing the dollars from CHL holder purchases, those of us that are serious about their second amendment rights also watch these lists to assure we do not maintain those stocks in our personal investment portfolios. I appeal to you to have your management and legal team revisit this issue and consider if it truly serves your stockholders.
 
Sincerely

Xxxx Xxxxx
Former Customer
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I'm stealing that for my use, too.
1/2/2014 6:55:42 AM EDT
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I noticed this about 6-7 weeks ago too.  The one in Frisco has the signs, but they are posted so far away from the entrance it is easily missed.  The statute doesn't say how close or far from the entrance the sign has to be in order to be effective, it just says that it must be displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.  The only reason I saw the sign was because I walked from Hobby Lobby to Sprouts, and from the side of the building from that direction it was visible.  However if you park in front of Sprouts and walk straight to the store you'll never see it.

Doesn't seem to meet the spirit of the law.
1/2/2014 8:04:05 AM EDT
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The store in Richardson on Coit and Campbell also has correct signage posted on both entrances. Central Market and Whole Foods (that's ironic) will be getting all of my grocery money from now on.
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Central Market irritates the piss out of me ( the maze design that forces you to walk most of the store) but I guess I'll be headed there also.

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1/2/2014 8:50:06 AM EDT
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Central Market irritates the piss out of me ( the maze design that forces you to walk most of the store) but I guess I'll be headed there also.

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The store in Richardson on Coit and Campbell also has correct signage posted on both entrances. Central Market and Whole Foods (that's ironic) will be getting all of my grocery money from now on.


Central Market irritates the piss out of me ( the maze design that forces you to walk most of the store) but I guess I'll be headed there also.

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There are little short cuts that allow you to bypass the maze.

Anyways I don't think it is ironic to give Whole Foods your business, the owner of Whole Foods maybe an organic nut, but he is a conservative.
1/2/2014 8:54:20 AM EDT
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I'm a CHL holder.  The issue is not a second amendment issue, nor is it a "civil rights" issue.  True rights are for a private property owner to be able to determine what is allowed on their property.  

With that being said, I don't have a problem with private businesses restricting what is brought on their property, including guns.  I certainly would not want the government telling me what I would have to allow on my own property.  HOWEVER, there is no way on God's green earth that any panty waste  simpleton sheep herder is going to get a dime of my money if they were to prohibit me from carrying on their property.  People like that don't value the safety or lives of their customers.  

So as far as I'm concerned, Sprouts can pound sand.
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They have the right to prohibit carry in their business, as I have the right to refuse them my money, and let them know about it.
1/2/2014 9:19:07 AM EDT
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I got the following email from them:

Dear, XXXXX



Thank you for taking the time to share your ideas about our decision to prohibit firearms in our stores. Please understand that we recognize and respect our customers’ rights under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a right that prohibits the government (but not private retailers) from infringing on citizens’ right to bear arms.
That right, however, must be balanced with our need as a retailer to address concerns of a majority of our customers and team members. That's why, after careful and thoughtful analysis, we have decided to prohibit our customers and our team members from bringing firearms onto our store premises.
While this decision may disappoint some of our valued customers, such as yourself, we stand by our decision and have received overwhelmingly positive feedback from our communities about it.












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Susan Cameron
Customer Relations Manager
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Phoenix,AZ 85028
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I won't be shopping there, and I've let them know it.





 
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id love to know how many (prior) complaints they got from concerned citizens because they did not yet have 30.06 signs up.
1/2/2014 9:31:14 AM EDT
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I thought Whole Foods was also posted.  No?
1/2/2014 9:32:45 AM EDT
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I've never seen a posted Whole Foods.
1/2/2014 9:41:02 AM EDT
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I've never seen a posted Whole Foods.
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I've never seen a posted Whole Foods.


Me either...  nor Central Market, H-E-B, Randall's, Natural Foods by Vitamin Hut, etc...  Or even the real farmer's markets...

Lots of alternatives to Sprouts.  We all need to make a point of boycotting them, letting them know why, and telling everyone we know why they should boycott Sprouts.
1/2/2014 9:41:35 AM EDT
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Probably pretty near to zero.
1/2/2014 12:12:28 PM EDT
[#38]
If you are contacting Sprouts, here are some suggestions I thought might be helpful:

1. If you shop there already, let them know it.  Look through your checks or bank records and give them specific amounts and dates you spent money with them, especially over the holidays.

2. They are claiming this is for safety reasons - we need to explain to them that as a CHL holder who is carrying a handgun, their policy INCREASES the unholstered handling of a firearm in public, which is rarely a positive factor in safety.  A CHL must remove their firearm (how many safe directions are there to point a firearm while doing this?), stow it in their vehicle (where only a pane of safety glass is between it and theft) before entering the store.  Upon exiting the store, they need to retrieve the firearm and put it back in its holster.  The alternative is to go home to drop off the firearm then return or simply shop somewhere that doesn't make you do stupid things.

3. We should point out that a foreseeable consequence of this policy is increased gun handling in Sprouts parking lots as well as fewer customers who choose to put up with this.

4. In Texas in any case, neither Whole Foods nor Central Market post 30.06 signs... on the "normal" grocery level, neither do Aldis, Albertsons, Tom Thumb, Kroger, WalMart, etc. There are lots of options for CHLs to chose from when buying groceries.

5. The policy targets only those customers who the Texas Department of Public Safety has certified are free from any felonies and Class A or B misdemeanors in the last 10 years, as well as the only customers who have had at least 10 hours of state-mandated firearms training as well as periodic supplemental training during renewals.  They are essentially telling the very customers who are least likely to cause them a problem that they are not welcome.

Final thought, don't lose hope or be complacent - Whole Foods for one (the one on Royal) did in fact used to have a 30.06 sign posted.  They removed it.  A concise, well-written, non-spittle flinging letter can make a difference if you will take the time to explain it to them.
1/2/2014 5:03:55 PM EDT
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Final thought, don't lose hope or be complacent - Whole Foods for one (the one on Royal) did in fact used to have a 30.06 sign posted.  They removed it.  A concise, well-written, non-spittle flinging letter can make a difference if you will take the time to explain it to them.
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Yeah that was the location I was thinking of.  Glad they took them down
1/3/2014 5:59:20 AM EDT
[#40]
Can someone find a single news article from a Texas CHL holder causing an issue for a business due to the firearm being present?  I.E. the CHL holder had an AD/ND, or held up the store, or committed a crime.

Then can someone compile a list of CHL holders who stopped a crime either before it happened, in progress, or before it got worse?

Use statistics they can't argue with.
1/3/2014 6:31:45 AM EDT
[#41]
Seem to remember someone having a ND at a walmart or something.  Don't think it was in TX though, and not 100% sure they were a chl holder
1/3/2014 10:18:09 AM EDT
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I'm a CHL holder.  The issue is not a second amendment issue, nor is it a "civil rights" issue.  True rights are for a private property owner to be able to determine what is allowed on their property.  
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Would you say the same thing if they disallowed "men" on their property?

PS:  I actually am OK with people disallowing certain people on their property.  Just wonder if you are being
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1/3/2014 10:44:25 AM EDT
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this in the news today:

Woman shot at Lowe's after gun drops from holster, LINK - Sent via the FOX News Android App.
1/3/2014 11:06:57 AM EDT
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Can someone find a single news article from a Texas CHL holder causing an issue for a business due to the firearm being present?  I.E. the CHL holder had an AD/ND, or held up the store, or committed a crime.
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CHLs crimes are kept at DPS Web Site.

Is Sprouts going to ban Austin PD?

Three ADs in one month now. Eight in last two years.

http://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/accidental-discharge-leads-to-suspension-of-another-austin-police-officer
1/3/2014 3:17:38 PM EDT
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Would you say the same thing if they disallowed "men" on their property?

PS:  I actually am OK with people disallowing certain people on their property.  Just wonder if you are being
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I'm a CHL holder.  The issue is not a second amendment issue, nor is it a "civil rights" issue.  True rights are for a private property owner to be able to determine what is allowed on their property.  


Would you say the same thing if they disallowed "men" on their property?

PS:  I actually am OK with people disallowing certain people on their property.  Just wonder if you are being
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I believe any private property owner has the right to refuse service or access to their property for any reason, or no reason at all, even though current law has limited private property owner's rights by forcing them to comply.

If the State of Texas passed a law that required me to allow open carriers into my restaraunt and a group of militant Black Panthers or KKK members packing heat showed up and scared off all of my customer base, my rights would be infringed.  I know that is an extreme example, but I'm just trying to show that the 2nd Amendment's purpose is to limit the government, not private property owners.  No one ever is forced to enter a private business, they can just take their business elsewhere, which is what I would do.

For what it's worth, I believe we should be allowed to carry concealed in government buildings and schools.  I firmly believe those "gun free zones" are in direct violation of the 2nd Amendment.
1/3/2014 7:38:19 PM EDT
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So everyone is surprised that a business that caters to liberal hippies is anti-gun?
It's like complaining that the headquarters for Bloombergs mayors against illegal guns would have a 30.06 sign.
1/3/2014 8:37:36 PM EDT
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I'll say I'm surprised by making the move here in Texas. A state WELL known to be conservative, and firearm friendly. Hell, they make meme's on the fact that just about every other person in Texas carries. (legal or otherwise)

I'm surprised that a company that leverages the Sprouts brand as having its roots being from Texas would perform such actions against the citizens of the very same state.

"Howdy Texas! We have roots from this state, so we're just like you. Well, except the fact that you're not welcome in our place of business because we think your beliefs about self preservation and personal protection are infringing on the rights of those who prey on others."

Sadly, there's too many sheeple that exist to help keep them afloat in certain markets. They may have to close one or more stores in areas that don't perform as well as they'd hope, but our displeasure to their choosing of this option won't have a major impact unless it hits media outlets.

Let's be clear. Corporations such as this could care less about our banter on these forums. It's major public media attention about their actions to be discrete about the choice that can garner them unwanted scrutiny. We can write them emails/letters all day long. All it takes is a major media outlet (or 2+) to note the corporation's decision to abject to performing business with public citizens who have rights sanctioned by the state to create an issue for the company.

Splash this news up alongside the daily Kardashian updates in most conservative markets, and there'll be villagers with pitchforks and torches outside Texas based Sprouts locations.

ETA: Oh, and somebody please slap the corporate minions upside the head with the Hupp video:































And 1 more thing.

Corporations don't make choices like this unless it benefits them in a financial way.

Period.

Especially knowing they're potentially picking a fight with a customer base. I don't know where the financial savings are coming from with this move (insurance costs, or potential new investors), but they spent money just having the signs made and then posted in their stores. The re-coup for that effort is a minimum from their perspective, so making the choice shows they believe it will be a bigger financial benefit for themselves down the road.

1/3/2014 10:24:41 PM EDT
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So everyone is surprised that a business that caters to liberal hippies is anti-gun?
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You sound like you are looking for an excuse not to do anything.  The founder of the Sprouts chain is actually the son of a big Reagan-supporting, Boy Scouts, West Texas guy.  They've never posted a store before - along with all the other supposedly "hippie" stores here (which I actually never see hippies in; but do see a lot of Plano moms.)

Apparently a venture capital firm named Apollo Management bought a controlling interest in 2011. They went public just in December which appears to be behind the recent change of policy.  Last time I looked, not a lot of hippies in the venture capital game, though the offhand Bloomberg comment may not be far off.  It looks like Bank of America is one of the players in their going public.
1/4/2014 5:58:33 AM EDT
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Reagan was not pro-2A. He approved the Hughes amendment and became a very vocal supporter of Brady and others once he left office.

Apparently a venture capital firm named Apollo Management bought a controlling interest in 2011. They went public just in December which appears to be behind the recent change of policy.  Last time I looked, not a lot of hippies in the venture capital game, though the offhand Bloomberg comment may not be far off.  It looks like Bank of America is one of the players in their going public.

There's a lot of venture capitalists who are not pro-2A. There's plenty of business decisions surrounding it, such as risks involved and whatnot. It's not usually "Hippie logic" but their own business sense. As flawed as it is.
1/4/2014 6:28:17 AM EDT
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So everyone is surprised that a business that caters to liberal hippies is anti-gun?.
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Surprised? No.

Disappointed they recently put up a sign even though they did not see the need to do it for the past 15+ years? Yes.

Love gun rights enough to want to show their displeasure before more grocers put up the same signs if they see no outcry? Yes.

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