Posted: 7/9/2013 8:01:31 AM EDT
The winner in the red, white, and blue ski mask is a fine representative for us. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3551251
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Quoted: The winner in the red, white, and blue ski mask is a fine representative of us. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3551251I have mixed feelings. He doesn't represent me exactly to the point of wearing a flag clown suit. He's on the right side of the issue though and does get the word out there and he may represent others who want to dress up in the same or similar garb.
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Quoted: He is the one who will be remembered. Face it, to a large percentage of the population, that clown is the face of the open carry movement. The push to get open carry in TX goes back a bit and we've come quite a ways. |
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The winner in the red, white, and blue ski mask is a fine representative for us. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3551251Where do you stand on OC? You've been critical in the past and attacking the Temple protest before it even happened and now you're being overly critical here. Keep in mind this happened in AUSTIN so I applaud all types making a stand for our rights - be it a hippy, ex military, or Rambo wanna be's. MATE, any chance those troopers your buddies? |
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It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? |
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It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? I think he's just basically saying that public image goes a long way in trying to establish the cause. People would take you a lot more serious if you were to dress in a more professional attire, versus looking like you just came off the street. Now, I'm not saying that there is a dress code for us gun owners, I'm pointing out on how people interpret ones public image. |
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Did any of the critics here attend the rally? I did not attend. The reason I did not attend is because these events tend to be as full of yahoos as your local public gun range. Every video I have seen posted of events like these are chock full of muzzle sweeping and general buffoonery. There are plenty of people at them that do not fall into the aforementioned category, but there are enough of the other to make me choose to be somewhere else. |
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Did any of the critics here attend the rally? I did not attend. The reason I did not attend is because these events tend to be as full of yahoos as your local public gun range. Every video I have seen posted of events like these are chock full of muzzle sweeping and general buffoonery. There are plenty of people at them that do not fall into the aforementioned category, but there are enough of the other to make me choose to be somewhere else. Let me see if I understand you here. You don't go to these because you're scared of the public being armed? Don't be droll. You are better than that. I don't go because because I do not want loaded guns pointed at me by halfwits and I choose to show my support by donating to legislators who support open carry. |
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Did any of the critics here attend the rally? I did not attend. The reason I did not attend is because these events tend to be as full of yahoos as your local public gun range. Every video I have seen posted of events like these are chock full of muzzle sweeping and general buffoonery. There are plenty of people at them that do not fall into the aforementioned category, but there are enough of the other to make me choose to be somewhere else. Sounds similar to the people that bitch about who got elected yet they never voted and their excuse is their 1vote wouldn't matter anyway. Seems like if you feel so strongly about the issue, all the more reason for you to go and show the sheeple that not everyone matches the part of the group you so detest. |
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Did any of the critics here attend the rally? I did not attend. The reason I did not attend is because these events tend to be as full of yahoos as your local public gun range. Every video I have seen posted of events like these are chock full of muzzle sweeping and general buffoonery. There are plenty of people at them that do not fall into the aforementioned category, but there are enough of the other to make me choose to be somewhere else. Let me see if I understand you here. You don't go to these because you're scared of the public being armed? Don't be droll. You are better than that. I don't go because because I do not want loaded guns pointed at me by halfwits and I choose to show my support by donating to legislators who support open carry. Can you expand on your logic? You support open carry as long as it isn't done in public by a group of people? Your attitude aligns more with the anti's than fellow gun owners. Where do you teach your CHL classes? Do you teach strangers or only those that have prior experience/training? |
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It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? I think he's just basically saying that public image goes a long way in trying to establish the cause. People would take you a lot more serious if you were to dress in a more professional attire, versus looking like you just came off the street. Now, I'm not saying that there is a dress code for us gun owners, I'm pointing out on how people interpret ones public image. Exactly. when the ONLY way you can tell a gun rights supporter from an Occupy Wallstreet nutjob is the slung AR, You have a serious problem. Maybe they should paint their face like a Juggalo. That'll get them attention. 
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It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? I think he's just basically saying that public image goes a long way in trying to establish the cause. People would take you a lot more serious if you were to dress in a more professional attire, versus looking like you just came off the street. Now, I'm not saying that there is a dress code for us gun owners, I'm pointing out on how people interpret ones public image. Exactly. when the ONLY way you can tell a gun rights supporter from an Occupy Wallstreet nutjob is the slung AR, You have a serious problem. Maybe they should paint their face like a Juggalo. That'll get them attention.
So, gun rights folks should wear 511 shirst and LaRue hats to be credible? I'm glad to see a decent selection of society represented in these protests (I might not be a fan of their choice of clothes or how they style but I'm not going to attack - this did take place in Austin). Not only are there long haired hippies but also short bald guys that dress snazzy. AND women. AND families. Why are we attacking diversity instead of embracing? We need to get behind those with like minds instead of attacking each other and making fun of what one looks llike or wears. You never know, they might (and are) fellow members. |
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Did any of the critics here attend the rally? I did not attend. The reason I did not attend is because these events tend to be as full of yahoos as your local public gun range. Every video I have seen posted of events like these are chock full of muzzle sweeping and general buffoonery. There are plenty of people at them that do not fall into the aforementioned category, but there are enough of the other to make me choose to be somewhere else. Exactly.... It's not like these guys are making a great case for open carry...or the firearm community in general.. The liberals take videos like this and say "See!! This is what you're going to get if you pass this bill!! Crazies with guns!!" Why?!?! Because they LOOK CRAZY! Not because they don't have the right to do what they're doing... |
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Did any of the critics here attend the rally? I did not attend. The reason I did not attend is because these events tend to be as full of yahoos as your local public gun range. Every video I have seen posted of events like these are chock full of muzzle sweeping and general buffoonery. There are plenty of people at them that do not fall into the aforementioned category, but there are enough of the other to make me choose to be somewhere else. Sounds similar to the people that bitch about who got elected yet they never voted and their excuse is their 1vote wouldn't matter anyway. Seems like if you feel so strongly about the issue, all the more reason for you to go and show the sheeple that not everyone matches the part of the group you so detest. Did you enjoy the protest? How hot was it? |
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I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Do you think the guy in the flag suit helped bring Texas closer to open carry? Serious question. Since he was affirming our rights to open carry long guns, we are already there. Do I think he looked foolish? Possibly, but being July 4th time & being in Austin, this doesn't shock me - at least he was wearing clothes. Look at the numbers of gun owners in America and you will realize even the appearance challenged also embrace gun rights. Would you rather see a large group of protesters that represent all Americans - be it tall, short, black, white, bald, long haired, fat, skinny, camo wearing, suit wearing, dress wearing? OR just a bunch of white guys dressed like Men In Black? Diversity helps send a message. Go to a gun show and you'll encounter some people you might find very odd (if you don't see that person - you are him) but if you talk with them, you'll find out that they share the same position as you. Are their rights less important because the way they look? |
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It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? He's right. We SHOULD be out wearing 5.11 shirts and LaRue hats. That IS the dress code we want to portray. YES, there SHOULD be a dress code. Why? Because unfortunately, people DO judge books by covers. When I go to a part of town where people LOOK run down, that's where I choose to make sure I have a couple extra reloads in my car. Back when I didn't carry as often, I used peoples dress to determine what parts of town I felt it necessary to carry in. Now I carry everywhere, but I guarantee most of us DO do some type of profiling in our situational awareness, and we make judgements and threat assessments. So when you show up to an Open Carry protest looking like a Fat Ass Navy Seal, or some guy with run down clothes with a gun, then you ARENT HELPING. Your physical presence will go further than the fact that you just might be a very nice, very normal person despite your looks. Does your personality matter? Not one bit unless YOU get yourself interviewed. It is your image, and image alone. You want to make us look like idiots? Worst thing you can do is have an ND. Second worst? Look like a loon. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? He's right. We SHOULD be out wearing 5.11 shirts and LaRue hats. That IS the dress code we want to portray. YES, there SHOULD be a dress code. Why? Because unfortunately, people DO judge books by covers. When I go to a part of town where people LOOK run down, that's where I choose to make sure I have a couple extra reloads in my car. Back when I didn't carry as often, I used peoples dress to determine what parts of town I felt it necessary to carry in. Now I carry everywhere, but I guarantee most of us DO do some type of profiling in our situational awareness, and we make judgements and threat assessments. So when you show up to an Open Carry protest looking like a Fat Ass Navy Seal, or some guy with run down clothes with a gun, then you ARENT HELPING. Your physical presence will go further than the fact that you just might be a very nice, very normal person despite your looks. Does your personality matter? Not one bit unless YOU get yourself interviewed. It is your image, and image alone. You want to make us look like idiots? Worst thing you can do is have an ND. Second worst? Look like a loon. Or we could all sit back and judge those who are taking time out of their lives and doing the protests while we sit on our computers. |
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It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? He's right. We SHOULD be out wearing 5.11 shirts and LaRue hats. That IS the dress code we want to portray. YES, there SHOULD be a dress code. Why? Because unfortunately, people DO judge books by covers. When I go to a part of town where people LOOK run down, that's where I choose to make sure I have a couple extra reloads in my car. Back when I didn't carry as often, I used peoples dress to determine what parts of town I felt it necessary to carry in. Now I carry everywhere, but I guarantee most of us DO do some type of profiling in our situational awareness, and we make judgements and threat assessments. So when you show up to an Open Carry protest looking like a Fat Ass Navy Seal, or some guy with run down clothes with a gun, then you ARENT HELPING. Your physical presence will go further than the fact that you just might be a very nice, very normal person despite your looks. Does your personality matter? Not one bit unless YOU get yourself interviewed. It is your image, and image alone. You want to make us look like idiots? Worst thing you can do is have an ND. Second worst? Look like a loon. What does looking like an idiot have to do with having an ND? I understand you might be younger than others here so I'll assume you are in awesome shape and have the smart sense & money to dress nice everywhere you go. Heck, you might be that guy that makes metrosexuals jealous. You probably have awesome hair, straight teeth, are clean shaven, no unabrowe, and no acne. Others of us here, not so much, so I'm not going to be judge. Actually, the older some people get the less they could CARE what others think of them but they still maintain a strong, if not stronger, conviction to protect our rights. BTW, some of the richest people I've known you would incorrectly assume were poor. Do you think there's a reason why most of us aren't willing to put our ugly faces on our avatar? Willing to post a picture of yourself for us to critique? As a guy that doesn't get all cleaned up to go to Lowe's, I applaud anybody that took the time to stand for their convictions. |
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It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? He's right. We SHOULD be out wearing 5.11 shirts and LaRue hats. That IS the dress code we want to portray. YES, there SHOULD be a dress code. Why? Because unfortunately, people DO judge books by covers. When I go to a part of town where people LOOK run down, that's where I choose to make sure I have a couple extra reloads in my car. Back when I didn't carry as often, I used peoples dress to determine what parts of town I felt it necessary to carry in. Now I carry everywhere, but I guarantee most of us DO do some type of profiling in our situational awareness, and we make judgements and threat assessments. So when you show up to an Open Carry protest looking like a Fat Ass Navy Seal, or some guy with run down clothes with a gun, then you ARENT HELPING. Your physical presence will go further than the fact that you just might be a very nice, very normal person despite your looks. Does your personality matter? Not one bit unless YOU get yourself interviewed. It is your image, and image alone. You want to make us look like idiots? Worst thing you can do is have an ND. Second worst? Look like a loon. What does looking like an idiot have to do with having an ND? I understand you might be younger than others here so I'll assume you are in awesome shape and have the smart sense & money to dress nice everywhere you go. Heck, you might be that guy that makes metrosexuals jealous. You probably have awesome hair, straight teeth, are clean shaven, no unabrowe, and no acne. Others of us here, not so much, so I'm not going to be judge. Actually, the older some people get the less they could CARE what others think of them but they still maintain a strong, if not stronger, conviction to protect our rights. BTW, some of the richest people I've known you would incorrectly assume were poor. Do you think there's a reason why most of us aren't willing to put our ugly faces on our avatar? Willing to post a picture of yourself for us to critique? As a guy that doesn't get all cleaned up to go to Lowe's, I applaud anybody that took the time to stand for their convictions. I'm not saying you have to care what people think, but if you want to sed a message, you HAVE to accept that appearance is part of communication. I'm not saying it's wrong to dress a certain way, but you should care when you make a public statement for a cause. And I do dress well. Nice fancy, but I dress well. I wear pants that fit and don't look like shit, I wear shirts that fit that do not have last weeks ketchup stains, my shirts are usually button up or long sleeve tees despite Texas heat for CCW purposes. I also wake up and say to hell with having every other week and walk around scruffy and hairy a bit, but nothing that draws attention. I bet half of you would think of something judgmental about someone who is 400lbs in a Dairy Queen eating lunch. But you deny that maybe someone across the aisle could have something to think about you. I'm not trying to make you all dress nice a d change, I'm just saying, don't dress and act like someone who isn't professional when you are portraying a cause. When I'm at my TV, in my home, you can bet I throw all the same fingers and all the same obscenities out there when I'm pissed off about what is happening to my country these days. When I actually talk and argue with liberals, I engage them intellectually, and kindly, and respect them. Both deliberation and appearance are important parts of communication. The poor of the open carry rally is to prove we are normal people that walk the street everyday in either pizza delivery boy shirts or in a suit and tie, we are all Americans, we have our rights just like everyone else, and we do t want them infringed. If you show that we dress and are part of the normal folk of the city, the city dwellers might come to respect our beliefs. If you act like two-tooth trailer trash and dress the same, you will not get their respect, your message will be ignored, you hurt the cause, and nothing happens. |
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It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? He's right. We SHOULD be out wearing 5.11 shirts and LaRue hats. That IS the dress code we want to portray. YES, there SHOULD be a dress code. Why? Because unfortunately, people DO judge books by covers. When I go to a part of town where people LOOK run down, that's where I choose to make sure I have a couple extra reloads in my car. Back when I didn't carry as often, I used peoples dress to determine what parts of town I felt it necessary to carry in. Now I carry everywhere, but I guarantee most of us DO do some type of profiling in our situational awareness, and we make judgements and threat assessments. So when you show up to an Open Carry protest looking like a Fat Ass Navy Seal, or some guy with run down clothes with a gun, then you ARENT HELPING. Your physical presence will go further than the fact that you just might be a very nice, very normal person despite your looks. Does your personality matter? Not one bit unless YOU get yourself interviewed. It is your image, and image alone. You want to make us look like idiots? Worst thing you can do is have an ND. Second worst? Look like a loon. Or we could all sit back and judge those who are taking time out of their lives and doing the protests while we sit on our computers. No matter what the issue: gun rights, abortion, pro life, immigration, etc. public opinion IS formed by the appearance of those protesting, demonstrating or rallying. If the point is to "raise awareness" fine. You got on the news. But if the point is to sway public opinion toward your cause you need to be a bit more persuasive than confrontational. Look up any thread here on AR15 on Occupy Wherever and read the comments about those "occupiers". AR15 members weren't shy about pointing out the hippies, the unwashed, the supposedly homeless or those plain ol' bums that seemed to be in every photo. Did anyone really think those protesters presented a good image? I didn't, and image IS important no matter what the issue. Unfortunately, perception IS reality. If you look like a nutjob, wacko, clown or pirate........you probably are. And who wants to identify with the cause you are promoting? Image isn't everything, but it is important enough that you need to take care not to hurt your cause. Is it fair? Not always. Ever wonder why the defendant in a criminal case is always in a suit and tie? Even if he's never worn one in his life, his attorneys are sharp enough to know that wearing a suit presents a better image than wearing a Lakers jersey with saggy pants falling down. Its commendable that those folks thought enough to rally in support of gun rights. I just wonder how many folks they convinced to come over to our side. |
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It would go a long way towards helping their cause of they would get a haircut and put on a shirt and tie. T-shirt, ponytails and a beard with an upside down flag in the background? Come on. I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Can you provide a link? He's right. We SHOULD be out wearing 5.11 shirts and LaRue hats. That IS the dress code we want to portray. YES, there SHOULD be a dress code. Why? Because unfortunately, people DO judge books by covers. When I go to a part of town where people LOOK run down, that's where I choose to make sure I have a couple extra reloads in my car. Back when I didn't carry as often, I used peoples dress to determine what parts of town I felt it necessary to carry in. Now I carry everywhere, but I guarantee most of us DO do some type of profiling in our situational awareness, and we make judgements and threat assessments. So when you show up to an Open Carry protest looking like a Fat Ass Navy Seal, or some guy with run down clothes with a gun, then you ARENT HELPING. Your physical presence will go further than the fact that you just might be a very nice, very normal person despite your looks. Does your personality matter? Not one bit unless YOU get yourself interviewed. It is your image, and image alone. You want to make us look like idiots? Worst thing you can do is have an ND. Second worst? Look like a loon. Or we could all sit back and judge those who are taking time out of their lives and doing the protests while we sit on our computers. No matter what the issue: gun rights, abortion, pro life, immigration, etc. public opinion IS formed by the appearance of those protesting, demonstrating or rallying. If the point is to "raise awareness" fine. You got on the news. But if the point is to sway public opinion toward your cause you need to be a bit more persuasive than confrontational. Look up any thread here on AR15 on Occupy Wherever and read the comments about those "occupiers". AR15 members weren't shy about pointing out the hippies, the unwashed, the supposedly homeless or those plain ol' bums that seemed to be in every photo. Did anyone really think those protesters presented a good image? I didn't, and image IS important no matter what the issue. Unfortunately, perception IS reality. If you look like a nutjob, wacko, clown or pirate........you probably are. And who wants to identify with the cause you are promoting? Image isn't everything, but it is important enough that you need to take care not to hurt your cause. Is it fair? Not always. Ever wonder why the defendant in a criminal case is always in a suit and tie? Even if he's never worn one in his life, his attorneys are sharp enough to know that wearing a suit presents a better image than wearing a Lakers jersey with saggy pants falling down. Its commendable that those folks thought enough to rally in support of gun rights. I just wonder how many folks they convinced to come over to our side. +1 |
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No matter what the issue: gun rights, abortion, pro life, immigration, etc. public opinion IS formed by the appearance of those protesting, demonstrating or rallying. If the point is to "raise awareness" fine. You got on the news. But if the point is to sway public opinion toward your cause you need to be a bit more persuasive than confrontational. Look up any thread here on AR15 on Occupy Wherever and read the comments about those "occupiers". AR15 members weren't shy about pointing out the hippies, the unwashed, the supposedly homeless or those plain ol' bums that seemed to be in every photo. Did anyone really think those protesters presented a good image? I didn't, and image IS important no matter what the issue. Unfortunately, perception IS reality. If you look like a nutjob, wacko, clown or pirate........you probably are. And who wants to identify with the cause you are promoting? Image isn't everything, but it is important enough that you need to take care not to hurt your cause. Is it fair? Not always. Ever wonder why the defendant in a criminal case is always in a suit and tie? Even if he's never worn one in his life, his attorneys are sharp enough to know that wearing a suit presents a better image than wearing a Lakers jersey with saggy pants falling down. Its commendable that those folks thought enough to rally in support of gun rights. I just wonder how many folks they convinced to come over to our side. Agreed. These type of activities are PR efforts. And right or wrong, there is a set of "society recognized, situational appropriate" standards. I think we would all defend the right of any person to show up and support their beliefs. But.... if the objective is to sway public opinion in a positive manner, its effectiveness is diminished if the participants are perceived as acting/appearing in a 'non-appropriate' manner. Most people dress appropriately when interviewing for a job. They understand the reality of public perception. No different here... |
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I missed the memo how gun owners should dress when in public. Do you think the guy in the flag suit helped bring Texas closer to open carry? Serious question. Since he was affirming our rights to open carry long guns, we are already there. I'm talking about the open carry of handguns. Do you think the guy in the flag suit helped bring Texas closer to it? No. Open Carry is about proving to society we are capable of acting responsible. Dressing up and acting like a child does not do that. |