[ARCHIVED THREAD] - RIP Chris Kyle (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/2/2013 6:40:46 PM EDT
| Kyle was murdered today Feb 02, 2013 at Rough Creek shooting range in Walnut Springs, Texas. What a tremendous loss. |
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I see that there is now a larger thread over on GD about it:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1435043_BREAKING_CHRIS_KYLE_DEAD_____Two_dead_at_Rough_Creek_Lodge__Glen_Rose__TX_.html&page=1 A number of people reading this on the Texas forum have met, talked and laughed with Chris Kyle on a personal level. The loss is epic. |
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New is saying he and the other victim were at the range with a third acquaintance who was suffering from PTS. They were there trying to help the guy. He turned the gun on them at point blank range. allegedly a former Marine Former Marine suffering from PTS? about the only way this makes sense without some sort of illegal activity/conspiracy... I am fairly sure the shooter was a Marine What is scary is that some people believe that only Military and Police Officers should have AR-15's....has anyone every studied the suicide rate for those two occupations, how about homicide rate compared to the typical law-abiding population. I'm not saying take guns away from the police or military...but I am sure there a plenty of regular civilians that are better 'psychologically' qualified for the possession of AR's than some of the people in the Military or Police Dept. Not saying the Police or Military personnel overall are bad...but they are subjected to a higher level of stress than most people and are more likely to 'BREAK' from sanity! Having been shot at myself, threatened on more than one occasion I can tell you that it changes you psychologically. I grew up around plenty of Military Family and Friends and Police Officers. I've seen the newspapers and many studies on both Military and Police, the fact is that 'killing' someone regardless of the shooting being righteous or not still has serious effects on people. Anyone who is involved in a life and death gunfight situation is going to be changed forever. When I was about 10 years old I thought the world would be a better place if they got rid of guns, after many various 'real-life' experiences I realize that you will not get rid of evil and disarming citizens has NEVER worked..it may save lives but it does not make the world better. I think we are better off killing the rapist's, burglars, killers...because it not only has proven to be a 100% effective method in preventing that person from victimizing anyone again but it also serves as a DETERRENT to other people who are thinking of pursuing a similar lifestyle...you may just 'scare' 50% of potential criminals into a 'straight & narrow' lifestyle. Chris Kyle R.I.P. who knows for sure what happened that day, I will not pass judgement on the situation until further details emerge. I have not read his book but I have read some comments and those comments by people who read his book make Chris Kyle out to be a heavy drinking, bar fighting, typically bully type meat head. Perhaps that isn't a fair assessment but I've run into a few of these jerks myself..they don't get what they want and they threaten to beat you up to get what they want... No matter what happened it's a SAD SITUATION. I respect Chris Kyle for his DUTY to his country. I will probably read his book and see what I think of him... |
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New is saying he and the other victim were at the range with a third acquaintance who was suffering from PTS. They were there trying to help the guy. He turned the gun on them at point blank range. allegedly a former Marine Former Marine suffering from PTS? about the only way this makes sense without some sort of illegal activity/conspiracy... I am fairly sure the shooter was a Marine What is scary is that some people believe that only Military and Police Officers should have AR-15's....has anyone every studied the suicide rate for those two occupations, how about homicide rate compared to the typical law-abiding population. I'm not saying take guns away from the police or military...but I am sure there a plenty of regular civilians that are better qualified for the possession of AR's than some of the people in the Military or Police Dept. Not saying the Police or Military personnel overall are bad...but they are subjected to a higher level of stress than most people and are more likely to 'BREAK' from sanity! You are proving to be a danger to yourself and others. mm |
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New is saying he and the other victim were at the range with a third acquaintance who was suffering from PTS. They were there trying to help the guy. He turned the gun on them at point blank range. allegedly a former Marine Former Marine suffering from PTS? about the only way this makes sense without some sort of illegal activity/conspiracy... I am fairly sure the shooter was a Marine What is scary is that some people believe that only Military and Police Officers should have AR-15's....has anyone every studied the suicide rate for those two occupations, how about homicide rate compared to the typical law-abiding population. I'm not saying take guns away from the police or military...but I am sure there a plenty of regular civilians that are better 'psychologically' qualified for the possession of AR's than some of the people in the Military or Police Dept. Not saying the Police or Military personnel overall are bad...but they are subjected to a higher level of stress than most people and are more likely to 'BREAK' from sanity! Having been shot at myself, threatened on more than one occasion I can tell you that it changes you psychologically. I grew up around plenty of Military Family and Friends and Police Officers. I've seen the newspapers and many studies on both Military and Police, the fact is that 'killing' someone regardless of the shooting being righteous or not still has serious effects on people. Anyone who is involved in a life and death gunfight situation is going to be changed forever. When I was about 10 years old I thought the world would be a better place if they got rid of guns, after many various 'real-life' experiences I realize that you will not get rid of evil and disarming citizens has NEVER worked..it may save lives but it does not make the world better. I think we are better off killing the rapist's, burglars, killers...because it not only has proven to be a 100% effective method in preventing that person from victimizing anyone again but it also serves as a DETERRENT to other people who are thinking of pursuing a similar lifestyle...you may just 'scare' 50% of potential criminals into a 'straight & narrow' lifestyle. Chris Kyle R.I.P. who knows for sure what happened that day, I will not pass judgement on the situation until further details emerge. I have not read his book but I have read some comments and those comments by people who read his book make Chris Kyle out to be a heavy drinking, bar fighting, typically bully type meat head. Perhaps that isn't a fair assessment but I've run into a few of these jerks myself..they don't get what they want and they threaten to beat you up to get what they want... No matter what happened it's a SAD SITUATION. I respect Chris Kyle for his DUTY to his country. I will probably read his book and see what I think of him... You are proving to be a danger to yourself and others. mm Yes that makes total sense here.... NOT |
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New is saying he and the other victim were at the range with a third acquaintance who was suffering from PTS. They were there trying to help the guy. He turned the gun on them at point blank range. allegedly a former Marine Former Marine suffering from PTS? about the only way this makes sense without some sort of illegal activity/conspiracy... I am fairly sure the shooter was a Marine What is scary is that some people believe that only Military and Police Officers should have AR-15's....has anyone every studied the suicide rate for those two occupations, how about homicide rate compared to the typical law-abiding population. I'm not saying take guns away from the police or military...but I am sure there a plenty of regular civilians that are better qualified for the possession of AR's than some of the people in the Military or Police Dept. Not saying the Police or Military personnel overall are bad...but they are subjected to a higher level of stress than most people and are more likely to 'BREAK' from sanity! This is a thread about Chris Kyle. This is not a thread of arguing the finer points of who can get what where or when. So please back off. |
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I think it may also be in Chris' book. I remember him telling a story of shooting the beach balls insurgents were using as flotation devices while crossing a river. It was just so cruel and hilarious at the same time.
Anyone else with their favorite moments with Chris? mm |
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The Arsenal guy mispoke. There are not "plenty" of civilians "more qualified" in any way shape or form when it comes to HANDLING the weapon. I believe he was trying to say that civilians are less likely to snap than combat veterans. The numbers dont lie, plenty of vets come back pretty fucked up. Cant cope with the stress, or were on tours for so long they cant readjust to being a civvy.
Which, makes them more prone to violent outbreaks and attacks/threats upon others. PTSD is a real thing and nothing to be taken lightly. Chris Kyle was doing his part, taking a new approach to helping combat vets. Maybe this Routh guy just snapped when at the range, its a complete possibility. Im not taking up for him, but you gotta look at the whole picture. I dont believe any conspiracy could be had from this. Its just a freak accident. A risk Chris Kyle probably was aware of, but let his guard down. So I dont think this Routh guy should be chucked out like a piece of trash because he couldnt cope. Sure, he should be held accountable, but I dont think its right you guys start calling him trash or whatever so quickly. Im sure plenty of you know someone, or know of someone, suffering from PTSD. Im all for if you cant take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen, but our military should be giving more support. Spending less money on new weapons they end up shit canning, and spend more funds on keeping their troops and ex troops healthy and stable. Mentally unstable is mentally unstable. It doesnt matter if youre a Marine, Cop, Civilian, or what have you. Its sad to see a hardened Combat vet go out like that. So Arsenal, please think before you type. Re read it before you click submit. You have been spitting out alot of shit lately. |
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Murder is never an accident. Come on.
The Arsenal guy mispoke. There are not "plenty" of civilians "more qualified" in any way shape or form when it comes to HANDLING the weapon. I believe he was trying to say that civilians are less likely to snap than combat veterans. The numbers dont lie, plenty of vets come back pretty fucked up. Cant cope with the stress, or were on tours for so long they cant readjust to being a civvy. Which, makes them more prone to violent outbreaks and attacks/threats upon others. PTSD is a real thing and nothing to be taken lightly. Chris Kyle was doing his part, taking a new approach to helping combat vets. Maybe this Routh guy just snapped when at the range, its a complete possibility. Im not taking up for him, but you gotta look at the whole picture. I dont believe any conspiracy could be had from this. Its just a freak accident. A risk Chris Kyle probably was aware of, but let his guard down. So I dont think this Routh guy should be chucked out like a piece of trash because he couldnt cope. Sure, he should be held accountable, but I dont think its right you guys start calling him trash or whatever so quickly. Im sure plenty of you know someone, or know of someone, suffering from PTSD. Im all for if you cant take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen, but our military should be giving more support. Spending less money on new weapons they end up shit canning, and spend more funds on keeping their troops and ex troops healthy and stable.
Mentally unstable is mentally unstable. It doesnt matter if youre a Marine, Cop, Civilian, or what have you. Its sad to see a hardened Combat vet go out like that. So Arsenal, please think before you type. Re read it before you click submit. You have been spitting out alot of shit lately. You should heed you own advice, think before you post. Routh is a murderer, and should be chucked out. I don't give a damn what his problem was. It does not justify the murder of two people. |
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I seriously doubt the VA has done enough to help returning vets, especially now with trying to assign labels to guys, take away the little bit of what they have left, they aren't going to willing seek help. Read the thread in GD about the guy being in an institution for treatment. True or not, it makes you scratch your head. This was a guy who needed serious help.
On the bright side, we had people like Kyle who were trying what they could to help guys out. Probably we're equipped or trained to deal with a guy this far off the path, or just didn't have any idea he was that far out. Either way, I'm saddened. I just bought his book to support his family and memory. |
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I like Ron Paul. He's way off base in this tweet though. He's going to disenfranchise a bunch of supporters with this tweet he sent out. @RonPaul Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.
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A risk Chris Kyle probably was aware of, but let his guard down. He let his guard down? You know this how? You were there? Blame the victim..... Im not blaming the victim, nor am I trying to justify Routh's murders. Im just saying, he knew what he was getting into, he was trying to help in an unconventional way, and from what I have gathered online, seemed to have been working quite well up until Mr. Routh joined. I in no way support Routh or think he is a victim. I believe he should be tried as a SANE person, and would be better to just put him down. Chris Kyle is the victim, I do not blame him for what happened to him. I have known plenty of ex Marines and Army vets that have suffered PTSD, or is suffering from it. I DO NOT know first hand, and can only speak from an outside perspective. Im no expert, nor do I claim to be. I have only taken a years worth of psychology, and dont know near enough to make any kind of decision or "diagnosis". I simply stated that it seems kinda backwards that you guys that are former military are can so easily chuck someone out because they snapped, and give no regards to why he snapped. He committed capital murder, in the first, regardless if he was in the right mind or not. He has snapped, and it would be best to put him down and not waste any taxes on keeping him around. He served his country, and snapped under the pressure. I in no way support his actions, or side with him. Im not former military, but I ASSUMED, which did make an ass out of me, that the comradery you guys have would hold up more than this. But, when its soldier on soldier crime, I guess all comradery goes out the window. |
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I like Ron Paul. He's way off base in this tweet though. He's going to disenfranchise a bunch of supporters with this tweet he sent out. @RonPaul Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense. scr*w @RonPaul |
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If anyone knows, please post a link if there is a verified memorial fund or bank account setup to help the family. I think Ranger Up is trying to set up something, but they are waiting on the family's permission...they are actually hoping to make a t-shirt to honor Chris with all proceeds going to the family. Chris was also involved with The Heroes Project, http://www.theheroesproject.org/. Craft International is who Chris worked for, I'd check there for any info or contact them with any inquiries. ETA: Please consider that Chris has personally helped several veterans through their dark times. mm |
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Greg Williams has had his own demons the last few years but evidently he and Kyle were friends. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/a-rare-medium-well-done-2-4-13/ Mark Davis at KSKY 660am also did a nice tribute to Chris as he signed off this morning with Ashokan Farewell as the music bed. It was rather haunting.  I didn't know Chris Kyle from Adam until the media brought him to light several years ago and then his book. He sounds like a guy I would like to have had as a friend. I can't explain why this whole episode has touched me so. |