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12/26/2011 7:20:38 AM EDT
[#1]
That's just all kinds of fucked up.
12/26/2011 7:31:29 AM EDT
[#2]
lets go ahead and change title of thread.

Thanks

edit: just saw that the suspected shooter was dressed as santa. Makes more sense now!
12/26/2011 8:10:55 AM EDT
[#3]
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/12/25/3618256/apparent-murder-suicide-leaves.html      
This Fort Worth paper report stresses that the handguns at the scene did not have silencers.
12/28/2011 7:43:34 AM EDT
[#6]


So when a guy who happens to believe in Islam loses it after going bankrupt/failing at his job and this his wife & kids move out on him it's an honor killing? It's no different than any other guy from any other race going crazy and killing their loved ones.  Only point of these articles/blogs calling it an Islamist honor killing is to try to make muslims look worse than other religions.   Going wacko is going wacko no matter what your religion.
12/28/2011 9:29:22 AM EDT
[#7]
I don't think we have sufficient info to determine one way or another at this point. What came first, the family becoming too "westernized", or loosing his job, etc. What was cause and what was effect?
12/28/2011 9:56:44 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:


So when a guy who happens to believe in Islam loses it after going bankrupt/failing at his job and this his wife & kids move out on him it's an honor killing? It's no different than any other guy from any other race going crazy and killing their loved ones.  Only point of these articles/blogs calling it an Islamist honor killing is to try to make muslims look worse than other religions.   Going wacko is going wacko no matter what your religion.


Are you a collaborator?
Please, could explain your ideology to the surviving families of Sept 11, 2001.
Maybe, you could send a letter of sympathy to my brother who's serving his secound tour in Afghanistan.

OP this incident is tragic, but also is representative...
12/28/2011 10:41:08 AM EDT
[#9]
Pretty soon Kids will think of Santa during Halloween instead of Christmas.  Wasnt there a murder-suicide last Christmas involving Santa and some kids?
12/28/2011 10:57:03 AM EDT
[#10]



Quoted:



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So when a guy who happens to believe in Islam loses it after going bankrupt/failing at his job and this his wife & kids move out on him it's an honor killing? It's no different than any other guy from any other race going crazy and killing their loved ones.  Only point of these articles/blogs calling it an Islamist honor killing is to try to make muslims look worse than other religions.   Going wacko is going wacko no matter what your religion.




Are you a collaborator?

Please, could explain your ideology to the surviving families of Sept 11, 2001.

Maybe, you could send a letter of sympathy to my brother who's serving his secound tour in Afghanistan.



OP this incident is tragic, but also is representative...


Bishop3, Huge leap of logic there laced with bigotry.  



This was a tragic situation and it's narrow minded to blame it all on the religion the family practiced or followed.

 
12/28/2011 11:04:40 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:


So when a guy who happens to believe in Islam loses it after going bankrupt/failing at his job and this his wife & kids move out on him it's an honor killing? It's no different than any other guy from any other race going crazy and killing their loved ones.  Only point of these articles/blogs calling it an Islamist honor killing is to try to make muslims look worse than other religions.   Going wacko is going wacko no matter what your religion.


Per capita, and they are a small faction, those people make more sensational news in a horrific way as opposed to positive then any other foreign cultures.   And this Islamic idiot came disguised as Santa.    At least he imploded and didn't come disguised as a military shrink and target the servicemen he took an oath to help.

Only thing narrow minded is not facing reality.

12/28/2011 11:23:28 AM EDT
[#12]
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Only thing narrow minded is not facing reality.



To me narrow minded is believing that only people of one religion or people that happen to have originated from a certain part of the world can do such things.  Stuff like this has been going on in this country long before practicing Islam became the face of being a terrorist by people who like to stereotype here. People losing their minds to the point they feel like they should kill themselves and/or their family members happens often. And it has happened long before 9/11 so don't feed me that BS or ask me if I'm a freaking collaborator.  Just in this case it is a more sensational news story as it happened on Christmas day and as certain people with certain agendas can focus more on the issue of these people happened to be brown skinned, from the middle east, and practiced Islam,   as opposed to it simply being a terrible tragedy.  THAT is what is narrow minded.
12/28/2011 11:34:19 AM EDT
[#13]
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-12-22/news/chi-4-victims-of-emington-murdersuicide-will-be-buried-today-20111222_1_murder-suicide-mental-health-prosecutors








































How many murder suicides above I found committed just this month were also Muslim?  Or better yet, how many could we blame on their radical Christian views?










Second one down the shooter referenced Proverbs 7:23 in fact.









He is then said to have sent Donna two emails - one aof which used the biblical verses Proverbs 6 and 7 to describe what Donna says Mark Royer was going to do to her boyfriend.








The court documents say the verses speak about the perils of adultery and the fury of jealous husbands, referring to 'an arrow piercing the liver' and 'revenge'.





Unless the numbers above are hiding more Muslims looks like more folks were killed this month by NON Muslims.  Might as well blame the santa suit as the main trigger.




 
12/28/2011 3:04:50 PM EDT
[#14]
Seems they were Iranian.



12/28/2011 3:12:50 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:

Quoted:
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So when a guy who happens to believe in Islam loses it after going bankrupt/failing at his job and this his wife & kids move out on him it's an honor killing? It's no different than any other guy from any other race going crazy and killing their loved ones.  Only point of these articles/blogs calling it an Islamist honor killing is to try to make muslims look worse than other religions.   Going wacko is going wacko no matter what your religion.



Are you a collaborator?
Please, could explain your ideology to the surviving families of Sept 11, 2001.
Maybe, you could send a letter of sympathy to my brother who's serving his secound tour in Afghanistan.

OP this incident is tragic, but also is representative...

Bishop3, Huge leap of logic there laced with bigotry.  

This was a tragic situation and it's narrow minded to blame it all on the religion the family practiced or followed.  


I agree, this was a tragic event. A very sad one.
My comment may have come across to you as intolerant and, my perception may differ from yours.
Although, I do respect people no matter their belief system, some do not.
12/28/2011 6:49:51 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Pretty soon Kids will think of Santa during Halloween instead of Christmas.  Wasnt there a murder-suicide last Christmas involving Santa and some kids?


Santa says "You've been Naughty!!!"    



12/29/2011 5:06:00 AM EDT
[#17]
search warrant
12/29/2011 5:38:09 AM EDT
[#18]


So the police first arrived at like 11am and they didn't get a search warrant until 5:45pm.  I guess it being on Christmas day it was a little more difficult than usual to find a judge to sign off.   I assume the warrant was just so they could search and collect evidence since there was no property owner there to give them permission?
12/29/2011 6:52:48 AM EDT
[#19]
There were two handguns, and  were recovered by police from the hand of differnt persons.
One person lying on the floor and another person sitting on furniture.

I might conclude by there being a pistol in the hands of two deceased that maybe one of those guys was trying to stop the shooter?


12/29/2011 1:12:45 PM EDT
[#20]




Quoted:

There were two handguns, and were recovered by police from the hand of differnt persons.

One person lying on the floor and another person sitting on furniture.



I might conclude by there being a pistol in the hands of two deceased that maybe one of those guys was trying to stop the shooter?









The cops are saying the shooter tried to make it look like the brother in law had a gun...but they see through that attempt.
12/29/2011 1:48:30 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:

Quoted:
There were two handguns, and were recovered by police from the hand of differnt persons.
One person lying on the floor and another person sitting on furniture.

I might conclude by there being a pistol in the hands of two deceased that maybe one of those guys was trying to stop the shooter?




The cops are saying the shooter tried to make it look like the brother in law had a gun...but they see through that attempt.


Story I read last  night with some early info said the victims all had multiple shots to the head and one of them (male) had multiple shots to the head and torso.  Unless they found an empty magazine on the ground, the shooter may have used both guns to fire that many rounds.  I kind of figured he emptied one gun, dropped it and then used the other to kill himself.  But who knows, maybe the other male was afraid there might be trouble so he was carrying.  Not enough details.
12/30/2011 5:33:51 AM EDT
[#22]
"Its the most wonderful time of the yeeeeaaaarrr!!!"
12/30/2011 1:50:18 PM EDT
[#23]
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It's amazing how some will use a tragedy to further an agenda.

12/30/2011 6:52:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:


So when a guy who happens to believe in Islam loses it after going bankrupt/failing at his job and this his wife & kids move out on him it's an honor killing? It's no different than any other guy from any other race going crazy and killing their loved ones.  Only point of these articles/blogs calling it an Islamist honor killing is to try to make muslims look worse than other religions.   Going wacko is going wacko no matter what your religion.


Well Islam and perhaps more rural, tribal people from those lands have... odd rural tribal views regarding women,  I have to semi-agree with Ponyboy, he was just.. nuts.
12/30/2011 7:24:34 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:


So when a guy who happens to believe in Islam loses it after going bankrupt/failing at his job and this his wife & kids move out on him it's an honor killing? It's no different than any other guy from any other race going crazy and killing their loved ones.  Only point of these articles/blogs calling it an Islamist honor killing is to try to make muslims look worse than other religions.   Going wacko is going wacko no matter what your religion.


OMG!  Your right..... well, except for that nagging "honor killing" as an excuse part..  You know about Honor Killings don't you?  They are accepted as a justification of these types of actions in.....















wait for it....














Primarily Islamic cultures...