[ARCHIVED THREAD] - NO BS Ranch Hand needed (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/14/2011 8:00:59 PM EDT
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I'm looking for a no bullshit hard working ranch hand. Must be completely mechanically inclined and able to operate, maintain and repair John Deere tractors, hay mowers, hay baler, learn to operate and maintain an irrigation pump and monitor two irrigation hose reels as well as work and feed 230 head of cattle on a 700 acre ranch. If you grew up on a ranch and have worked cattle and love the outdoors and your an honest hardworking straight shooter I'd like to talk to you. Military Veterans go to the top of the list.
This is not a SUPERVISOR job driving around in the A/C. This is a RANCH HAND job getting after it every day watching the herd, fixing fence, running irrigation, discing the fields, cutting, raking and baling hay for winter and fixing everything that breaks down. If you drink, steal, can't walk and chew gum at the same time, forget instructions from one minute to the next or have an aversion to an honest days work for an honest days pay then don't bother contacting me. If this sounds "too hard" don't bother contacting me. No Muppets need apply. We haven't had much luck with ranch hands as you can tell. Like the song says, Where have all the Cowboys gone? We are 60 miles south of San Antonio and the pay is $2000 a month, a cell phone for Ranch use, a rent free 3-Bedroom House Trailer and paid Direct TV. You pay your electricity . We are the nicest hard working professional couple you'd ever want to meet but we are too busy with our careers to suffer any fools. We are looking for a self starter that will do whatever needs to be done to run this ranch and achieve our objectives. Did I say Military Veterans go to the top of the list? IM me if you think you have what it takes. |
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I don't think people like this exist anymore. No, that's not right, they do exist, but they work for themselves.
I do have one guy who works for me like that, but we pay him about $60k/year to keep him interested. I'd be hard pressed to find a replacement for him. |
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I don't do any of what you listed, but your pay sucks. Edit for spelling! Almost $50k/year, and a place to live for free, and a cell phone? Wow. It's basic manual labor, not rocket surgery. THANK YOU....it's not a degreed position. If a City Boy like me with NO previous experience can learn to do every one of the jobs described to an exceptionaly high level than someone who dosen't mind working and isn't a Muppet can make a good living. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't do any of what you listed, but your pay sucks. Edit for spelling! Almost $50k/year, and a place to live for free, and a cell phone? Wow. It's basic manual labor, not rocket surgery. $2000/month * 12 months = $24k/year. The ability to repair tractors, manage herds is not manual labor. It is a skill. You want manual laborers, they are easy to find in any Texas city. IME, most are morons who need to be supervised constantly. |
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I don't do any of what you listed, but your pay sucks. Edit for spelling! Almost $50k/year, and a place to live for free, and a cell phone? Wow. It's basic manual labor, not rocket surgery. $2000/month * 12 months = $24k/year. The ability to repair tractors, manage herds is not manual labor. It is a skill. You want manual laborers, they are easy to find in any Texas city. IME, most are morons who need to be supervised constantly. Plus when you factor in the taxes, thats chcken feed for the hours that you talking about there. Are there any other benifits? Health care? |
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I don't do any of what you listed, but your pay sucks. Edit for spelling! Almost $50k/year, and a place to live for free, and a cell phone? Wow. It's basic manual labor, not rocket surgery. Guess who failed math. I was laughing out loud at this! I agree that the pay is totally unreasonable. $24k per year plus a trailer in the middle of nowhere that would probably rent for $500 per month ($6k per year) which brings the pay up to whopping $30k. Plus the hand needs to be able to not only run machinery but repair it and be an extremly hard worker. Good luck with that! |
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The pay is reasonable... what kind of living expenses do you think a ranch hand would have? The cost of living is dirt cheap down there.
If I had nothing going on when I was younger, this would have been a great job. Everything described is pretty easy if you already know how to do it. Just good old fashioned hard outdoor work. |
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I'm looking for a no bullshit hard working ranch hand. Must be completely mechanically inclined and able to operate, maintain and repair John Deere tractors, hay mowers, hay baler, learn to operate and maintain an irrigation pump and monitor two irrigation hose reels as well as work and feed 230 head of cattle on a 700 acre ranch. If you grew up on a ranch and have worked cattle and love the outdoors and your an honest hardworking straight shooter I'd like to talk to you. Military Veterans go to the top of the list. This is not a SUPERVISOR job driving around in the A/C. This is a RANCH HAND job getting after it every day watching the herd, fixing fence, running irrigation, discing the fields, cutting, raking and baling hay for winter and fixing everything that breaks down. If you drink, steal, can't walk and chew gum at the same time, forget instructions from one minute to the next or have an aversion to an honest days work for an honest days pay then don't bother contacting me. If this sounds "too hard" don't bother contacting me. No Muppets need apply. We haven't had much luck with ranch hands as you can tell. Like the song says, Where have all the Cowboys gone? We are 60 miles south of San Antonio and the pay is $2000 a month, a cell phone for Ranch use, a rent free 3-Bedroom House Trailer and paid Direct TV. You pay your electricity . We are the nicest hard working professional couple you'd ever want to meet but we are too busy with our careers to suffer any fools. We are looking for a self starter that will do whatever needs to be done to run this ranch and achieve our objectives. Did I say Military Veterans go to the top of the list? IM me if you think you have what it takes. It sounds to me that you should quit the job that you have and do your own ranching then you can have it done the way you like it |
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I'm looking for a no bullshit hard working ranch hand. Must be completely mechanically inclined and able to operate, maintain and repair John Deere tractors, hay mowers, hay baler, learn to operate and maintain an irrigation pump and monitor two irrigation hose reels as well as work and feed 230 head of cattle on a 700 acre ranch. If you grew up on a ranch and have worked cattle and love the outdoors and your an honest hardworking straight shooter I'd like to talk to you. Military Veterans go to the top of the list. This is not a SUPERVISOR job driving around in the A/C. This is a RANCH HAND job getting after it every day watching the herd, fixing fence, running irrigation, discing the fields, cutting, raking and baling hay for winter and fixing everything that breaks down. If you drink, steal, can't walk and chew gum at the same time, forget instructions from one minute to the next or have an aversion to an honest days work for an honest days pay then don't bother contacting me. If this sounds "too hard" don't bother contacting me. No Muppets need apply. We haven't had much luck with ranch hands as you can tell. Like the song says, Where have all the Cowboys gone? We are 60 miles south of San Antonio and the pay is $2000 a month, a cell phone for Ranch use, a rent free 3-Bedroom House Trailer and paid Direct TV. You pay your electricity . We are the nicest hard working professional couple you'd ever want to meet but we are too busy with our careers to suffer any fools. We are looking for a self starter that will do whatever needs to be done to run this ranch and achieve our objectives. Did I say Military Veterans go to the top of the list? IM me if you think you have what it takes. I've done that job and have hired folks to do the same. It's hard as hell to find someone willing to do that kind of work and not expect a lot more money than that. Hell, I've seen too many folks who talk a good game but when it's time to work couldn't figure out how to pour piss out of a boot with directions on the heel. You've got a tough road ahead and I wish you the best of luck. |
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For those of you bitching about the pay....doing this kind of work is more a lifestyle choice than a job. I ran a ranch for a guy, out in Idaho, back in the early 80's and I was only making 1200 bucks a month and found. Didn't have to pay the electric bill though.  Lots of hard work...especially during haying....and we got 2 or 3 cuttings a year. Long hours. Heat. Cold. Rain. Snow.....but I wouldn't trade the time I spent doing it for a great paying job working in any town with a population over 30. If you're looking to get rich....find something else to do. You ain't the type. |
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Posting this on ARFCOM? Good luck since your candidate most likely doesn't use computers or speaks Engrish. Throw in free guns & unlimited ammo, you might find somebody here.
Makeup of property? Condition of fences? Condition of equipment? Mesquite problem? This factors in heavily for folks that know what they are getting themselves into. Honestly, you need a couple of teenage kids - been there, done that. You might also find better luck with a "foreign exchange student" - that's the PC term my mother likes to use. My parents found a guy that was a hard worker but had a drug relapse while they were out of the country. He moved into their house, stole their guns, and sold the truck to a drug dealer. You need to up the pay and provide better benefits if you want unsupervised reliable help. I think all the old ranchers decided they could make a better living driving trucks. Forgot to ask, is Internet provided? |
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I work on a family ranch. I make about the same. Most people around here that work on ranches don't speak much English. It's a very hard, but rewarding living. Is this your family ranch? Working land that will oneday be yours is totally different than working for another person. |
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After taxes thats $1650 per month. $19800 take home per year. Wow. People actually work for that? If you are assuming you can get a young person, then they can make 50% more than that being in the Army, have no bills and be able to get valuable training and skills to use in later life. If you are assuming an older person, they could make 100% more than that fixing the tractors as a mechanic. Good luck to you, and I applaud your cheapskate attitude, if someone is stupid enough to work their ass off for that pay, then more fool them. |
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I work on a family ranch. I make about the same. Most people around here that work on ranches don't speak much English. It's a very hard, but rewarding living. Is this your family ranch? Working land that will oneday be yours is totally different than working for another person. Yep. And I don't think it's cheaper to live in the country. Everything from groceries to hardware is more expensive. |
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I work on a family ranch. I make about the same. Most people around here that work on ranches don't speak much English. It's a very hard, but rewarding living. Is this your family ranch? Working land that will oneday be yours is totally different than working for another person. Yep. And I don't think it's cheaper to live in the country. Everything from groceries to hardware is more expensive. Working for family usually means you will inherit some of said ranch so you are tending to your investment, therefore I think we are discussing apples & oranges when it comes to pay. And I agree, living in the country does not always translate to cheap due to limited resources. |
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For a 40hr work week that translates to $12.5 an hour. The problem isn't finding someone to work for that, it's finding someone reliable and who will do it for a extended period of time. It isn't a job you will put 30yrs in and retire thats for sure. You will most likely go through workers fairly quickly. Also this line of work is prone to injury and not having health benefits will turn some people off. It's just the nature of the business.
As others have stated your best bet is finding someone with a green card that works hard and doesn't know any other way of life other than working till they die. While I appreciate your straight forward post on what you want and don't want, most of your prospects will shy away. Why? I got the impression that it may be hard to live up to your expectaions from your post. No one really wants to work for a hardass unless they have no choice. |
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Now hang on a minute. I know pay is always an issue and I agree with it but if you give some sort of other non monetary incentive for time and work you may get some bites.
In the internet world it is not uncommon for people to work their arses off for next to nothing in regards to pay but are granted large lumps of shares. (Eg Ferrari driving Microsoft Grounds keepers) Translate that to the ranching world and you may get some straight shooters who have a dream of becoming an Ranch owner and not just a ranch hand. So throw in some sort of incentive like for every 10 years of No BS Hard Working service they are granted 10 acres of land or something to that order. Boom... |
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Now hang on a minute. I know pay is always an issue and I agree with it but if you give some sort of other non monetary incentive for time and work you may get some bites. In the internet world it is not uncommon for people to work their arses off for next to nothing in regards to pay but are granted large lumps of shares. (Eg Ferrari driving Microsoft Grounds keepers) Translate that to the ranching world and you may get some straight shooters who have a dream of becoming an Ranch owner and not just a ranch hand. So throw in some sort of incentive like for every 10 years of No BS Hard Working service they are granted 10 acres of land or something to that order. Boom... There is no money in ranching or farming these days - only if you sell the land. Sounds like OP wants to have a ranch but must work a real job to support this hobby/lifestyle. He needs somebody (preferably a carbon copy) to hold down the fort while he's at work and has had difficulty getting good help for McDonalds wages. I strongly doubt he is willing to part with any of his hard earned money so no profit sharing or medical benefits provided. Best bet is to find a hard working imigrant FAMILY to run his small operation. |
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For a 40hr work week that translates to $12.5 an hour. The problem isn't finding someone to work for that, it's finding someone reliable and who will do it for a extended period of time. It isn't a job you will put 30yrs in and retire thats for sure. You will most likely go through workers fairly quickly. Also this line of work is prone to injury and not having health benefits will turn some people off. It's just the nature of the business. As others have stated your best bet is finding someone with a green card that works hard and doesn't know any other way of life other than working till they die. While I appreciate your straight forward post on what you want and don't want, most of your prospects will shy away. Why? I got the impression that it may be hard to live up to your expectaions from your post. No one really wants to work for a hardass unless they have no choice. I have never heard of a ranchhand working 40 hours a week. More like 80 a week. 
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Actually there is money in farming these days, as long as you have the right crop. Growing hay, and running one cow on 3 acres in what J. Frank Dobey called the best cow country in Texas doesn't sound like the right mix. Govt subsidies and insurance... I haven't seen that many rich farmers where I'm from. The beef industry isn't doing that great either. When it comes to cows, I draw the line at AI. My FIL on the other hand is neck deep in bull semen. Hopefully this will not be mandatory for the job position. |
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Actually there is money in farming these days, as long as you have the right crop. Growing hay, and running one cow on 3 acres in what J. Frank Dobey called the best cow country in Texas doesn't sound like the right mix. Are you suggesting that said ranch hand grow some pot on the side? 
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For a 40hr work week that translates to $12.5 an hour. The problem isn't finding someone to work for that, it's finding someone reliable and who will do it for a extended period of time. It isn't a job you will put 30yrs in and retire thats for sure. You will most likely go through workers fairly quickly. Also this line of work is prone to injury and not having health benefits will turn some people off. It's just the nature of the business. As others have stated your best bet is finding someone with a green card that works hard and doesn't know any other way of life other than working till they die. While I appreciate your straight forward post on what you want and don't want, most of your prospects will shy away. Why? I got the impression that it may be hard to live up to your expectaions from your post. No one really wants to work for a hardass unless they have no choice. I have never heard of a ranchhand working 40 hours a week. More like 80 a week. That was kinda my point, the hourly rate goes down the more hours you work. Sorry I didn't detail every potential hourly wage. |
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Actually there is money in farming these days, as long as you have the right crop. Growing hay, and running one cow on 3 acres in what J. Frank Dobey called the best cow country in Texas doesn't sound like the right mix. Are you suggesting that said ranch hand grow some pot on the side? No I'm not. I am suggesting that with the right setup, the ranch hand could have set up a small commercial vegetable garden, and cashed in on the freeze. Vegetable prices are going through the roof, and if you planned right, yours would be ready about now. |
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My last cowboy job was in 1985 it paid 600 a month and every other Sunday off. I worked on a working cattle ranch 270,000 acres and was "the" grunt the of the two foreman I worked for one is still on the ranch and the other retired in one of the ranch homes in town.
I don't think the pay is that bad depending on the size of the ranch, actual hours it will take to work it, the days off and long term prospects. |
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Actually there is money in farming these days, as long as you have the right crop. Growing hay, and running one cow on 3 acres in what J. Frank Dobey called the best cow country in Texas doesn't sound like the right mix. Are you suggesting that said ranch hand grow some pot on the side? No I'm not. I am suggesting that with the right setup, the ranch hand could have set up a small commercial vegetable garden, and cashed in on the freeze. Vegetable prices are going through the roof, and if you planned right, yours would be ready about now. One cash bumper does not a lucky rich farmer make. |
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My last cowboy job was in 1985 it paid 600 a month and every other Sunday off. I worked on a working cattle ranch 270,000 acres and was "the" grunt the of the two foreman I worked for one is still on the ranch and the other retired in one of the ranch homes in town. I don't think the pay is that bad depending on the size of the ranch, actual hours it will take to work it, the days off and long term prospects. What long term prospects? How does retirement work in that business? |
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For a 40hr work week that translates to $12.5 an hour. The problem isn't finding someone to work for that, it's finding someone reliable and who will do it for a extended period of time. It isn't a job you will put 30yrs in and retire thats for sure. You will most likely go through workers fairly quickly. Also this line of work is prone to injury and not having health benefits will turn some people off. It's just the nature of the business. As others have stated your best bet is finding someone with a green card that works hard and doesn't know any other way of life other than working till they die. While I appreciate your straight forward post on what you want and don't want, most of your prospects will shy away. Why? I got the impression that it may be hard to live up to your expectaions from your post. No one really wants to work for a hardass unless they have no choice. We're not hardasses but we've been burned BADLY more than once by people that really wanted a steady job working in the outdoors and a chance to learn ranching. They were happy with the pay offered and we treated them like family. I guess I'm just looking for that last honest person confident in his abilities whose word is his bond and can work unsupervised for a decent days pay. Kinda shocked at the detractors on here and their expectations that a ranching position (no DEGREE necessary) would pay big money with housing, cable, phone, health care and benefits. WOW |
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Quoted: There is no degree necessary for working as a roughneck either, that's outdoors, hard honest work, but of course it pays approximately 5x more than what you're offering, plus PTO, healthcare and long term prospects.Kinda shocked at the detractors on here and their expectations that a ranching position (no DEGREE necessary) would pay big money with housing, cable, phone, health care and benefits. WOW I have to agree with others here who have posted that what you think the job is worth, and what seems to be the popular opinion on what the pay should be, is why you cant find anyone 'decent'. |
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Quoted: ObamaNation is obviously ascendant. Yeah, Obama is all about the free market. There isn't an eye rolling icon large enough for your post. When you're selling a car, and nobody shows any interest in paying $45,000 for your rusted out 15 year old POS Honda, do you start whining that they're all Obama supporters, or do you lower your price? Same thing here. Nobody is willing to do the work, so you offer more until someone is. Fuckin economics, how does it work? |