Posted: 5/11/2010 7:13:23 AM EDT
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Have a question about shipping a pistol to a friend of mine in another state, if I took the semi-auto (Ruger P95) apart and shipped it on different days in separate boxes is it legal ?
I was thinking it would just be parts if there was no ammo and it was not a complete gun |
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Have a question about shipping a pistol to a friend of mine in another state, if I took the semi-auto (Ruger P95) apart and shipped it on different days in separate boxes is it legal ? I was thinking it would just be parts if there was no ammo and it was not a complete gun STOP! What you are suggesting is ILLEGAL. You can NOT ship the "firearm", which means the serial numbered receiver, to another party in another state, unless they are an FFL. There are also rules about how you must ship said firearm. Your buddy will then need to go to the FFL and undergo the NICS check to take possession of the firearm and pay the transfer fee. You can ship every part except for the serial numbered receiver in a USPS box. Those are "just" parts. |
| Did not know that stripping down a handgun and shipping it in pieces in separate boxes would be illegal, it's belongs to him and when I flew back to help my son move he told me to carry it for the drive back to Houston from Indpls and just ship it back in separate boxes with no ammo and it should be fine, now I gotta figure out a way for him to get his gun back |
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Did not know that stripping down a handgun and shipping it in pieces in separate boxes would be illegal, it's belongs to him and when I flew back to help my son move he told me to carry it for the drive back to Houston from Indpls and just ship it back in separate boxes with no ammo and it should be fine, now I gotta figure out a way for him to get his gun back Ever bought a lower from a vendor on ARFCOM? Same principal. |
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Did not know that stripping down a handgun and shipping it in pieces in separate boxes would be illegal, it's belongs to him and when I flew back to help my son move he told me to carry it for the drive back to Houston from Indpls and just ship it back in separate boxes with no ammo and it should be fine, now I gotta figure out a way for him to get his gun back An FFL will have to mail the gun to be legal as was said. And as a side note, the gun being taken from the other state into TX may not have been legal either since the gun was not yours. From my limited FFL knowledge, if you buy a handgun in another state, it needs to be shipped via FFL unless you are moving from one state to another. An FFL holder in here should chime in. |
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Did not know that stripping down a handgun and shipping it in pieces in separate boxes would be illegal, it's belongs to him and when I flew back to help my son move he told me to carry it for the drive back to Houston from Indpls and just ship it back in separate boxes with no ammo and it should be fine, now I gotta figure out a way for him to get his gun back An FFL will have to mail the gun to be legal as was said. And as a side note, the gun being taken from the other state into TX may not have been legal either since the gun was not yours. From my limited FFL knowledge, if you buy a handgun in another state, it needs to be shipped via FFL unless you are moving from one state to another. An FFL holder in here should chime in. The pistol was orig mine when I lived in Indy and I sold it to him so I could fund another project, he gave me a notarized note giving me his permission to have the gun in my possession with all the numbers on it along with his and mine CCW permit numbers He just did not want me traveling all that way with my son and not have some type of protection |
I'm an FFL, so I'll try and keep you out of jail.
1. A nonlicensee (you) can only ship the handgun via common carrier (UPS, FedEx) to a licensed dealer in another state. Both UPS and FedEx have COMPANY policies that require you to notify them that you are shipping a firearm and both have tariffs (policies) that outline the procedures and requirements for shipping a firearm through them. Failure to follow those policies will not get you sent to jail, but if the shipment is damaged, lost or stolen you'll get nothing on an insurance claim. Follow the typical internet yahoo advice of shipping the gun disassembled does nothing as far as covering your butt. The receiver, frame or lower of a firearm IS A FIREARM whether assembled or not. Both FedEx and UPS will require you to ship a handgun via Next Day Air- expect to pay $60 or more for this level of service. Neither FedEx or UPS will accept shipments from anything but a daily pickup account or through a service center. While the teenage minimum wage clerk at the local FedEx Kinkos, UPS Store or MailBoxesUSA store may be happy to ship your firearm, you'll be in violation of UPS/FedEx policies which prohibit shipping from those locations. Someone will chime in soon and say they do it all the time from a UPS Store, that doesn't matter until your package is lost, damaged or stolen. 2. A licensed dealer (FFL) can mail a $1,000 handgun through the USPS for less then $25 Priority Mail with insurance and delivery confirmation. I ship several handguns each week for customers and charge $10 plus actual postage, see if your local dealer will do the same. 3. What your friend did (providing you a firearm for your return trip) was a nice thing, but also a violation of Federal law. Under no circumstance should you try to drive all the way back to give it to him in person, or even meet him halfway, nor should you ask him to come to Texas to pick up the firearm. Federal law prohibits the transfer of a handgun to a nonresident. As a resident of Texas, you are free to purchase and take possession of a rifle or shotgun in any state- as long as you do so from a licensed dealer. You are only allowed to take possession of a handgun in your own state of residence. Face to face "private party" transfers of firearms (long gun or handgun) between residents of different states is prohibited (even if it's your dad in Arkansas giving you a gun as a gift). It sucks. But it's the law. |
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I'm an FFL, so I'll try and keep you out of jail.
1. A nonlicensee (you) can only ship the handgun via common carrier (UPS, FedEx) to a licensed dealer in another state. Both UPS and FedEx have COMPANY policies that require you to notify them that you are shipping a firearm and both have tariffs (policies) that outline the procedures and requirements for shipping a firearm through them. Failure to follow those policies will not get you sent to jail, but if the shipment is damaged, lost or stolen you'll get nothing on an insurance claim. Follow the typical internet yahoo advice of shipping the gun disassembled does nothing as far as covering your butt. The receiver, frame or lower of a firearm IS A FIREARM whether assembled or not. Both FedEx and UPS will require you to ship a handgun via Next Day Air- expect to pay $60 or more for this level of service. Neither FedEx or UPS will accept shipments from anything but a daily pickup account or through a service center. While the teenage minimum wage clerk at the local FedEx Kinkos, UPS Store or MailBoxesUSA store may be happy to ship your firearm, you'll be in violation of UPS/FedEx policies which prohibit shipping from those locations. Someone will chime in soon and say they do it all the time from a UPS Store, that doesn't matter until your package is lost, damaged or stolen. 2. A licensed dealer (FFL) can mail a $1,000 handgun through the USPS for less then $25 Priority Mail with insurance and delivery confirmation. I ship several handguns each week for customers and charge $10 plus actual postage, see if your local dealer will do the same. 3. What your friend did (providing you a firearm for your return trip) was a nice thing, but also a violation of Federal law. Under no circumstance should you try to drive all the way back to give it to him in person, or even meet him halfway, nor should you ask him to come to Texas to pick up the firearm. Federal law prohibits the transfer of a handgun to a nonresident. As a resident of Texas, you are free to purchase and take possession of a rifle or shotgun in any state- as long as you do so from a licensed dealer. You are only allowed to take possession of a handgun in your own state of residence. Face to face "private party" transfers of firearms (long gun or handgun) between residents of different states is prohibited (even if it's your dad in Arkansas giving you a gun as a gift). It sucks. But it's the law. Thanks for explaining what I was getting at.
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