Posted: 12/8/2008 8:06:15 AM EDT
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So yeah, I am one of the lucky few to get the ax early last month and have been going through them motions of unemployment. Received a call today from Texas Workforce so they could do an interview...come to find out my former employer gave conflicting information regarding the termination (which was b.s.). Now not only did they fire me they are trying to weasel out of paying unemployment. GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
My claim is still being investigated, however this is turning into a phone battle based on hearsay and bullshit. It is my word against theirs... I wonder how it will turn out. |
| Just got called back... all they did to investigate was speak to the second manager on duty and all he did was corroborate the other managers bullshit. So the lady flat out says " I am sorry sir its 2 against 1", and apparently thats all they need to deny my claim. FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK! |
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I thought they could only deny you unemployment for something like "gross negligence" or some type of major screw up. You'll get an actual "hearing". Do you have a coworker/former coworker who would testify on your behalf? As a tech we worked alone... so no coworkers could legitametly back me up. As far as a "hearing" the person on the phone said they make the decision. So, I think i am screwed... |
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I don't think you can get unemployment if you were terminated for any cause. Only termination that is not a result of anything you did, or didn't do, like a RIF, or the company goes under That is my dilemma... I am fighting the "cause of termination", because it was b.s. and one of the managers flat out lied. |
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Believe me, TX Employment Commission will deny unemployment compensation at the drop of a hat. I was denied because I had not earned enough money three quarter previous to when I was terminated. It didn't matter that I had worked for seven months prior to being laid off. I appealed. They denied. I appealed again, was denied again. So there ya go. They suck. |
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Believe me, TX Employment Commission will deny unemployment compensation at the drop of a hat. I was denied because I had not earned enough money three quarter previous to when I was terminated. It didn't matter that I had worked for seven months prior to being laid off. I appealed. They denied. I appealed again, was denied again. So there ya go. They suck. Ughhh... Getting fired is one thing...then getting denied unemployment is just adding salt to an open wound. |
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Believe me, TX Employment Commission will deny unemployment compensation at the drop of a hat. I was denied because I had not earned enough money three quarter previous to when I was terminated. It didn't matter that I had worked for seven months prior to being laid off. I appealed. They denied. I appealed again, was denied again. So there ya go. They suck. They also suck for employers. We lost on 2nd appeal after the former employee LIED under oath to a judge about what he said to the employment commission. Apparently, if you lie you get bennies. |
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Believe me, TX Employment Commission will deny unemployment compensation at the drop of a hat. I was denied because I had not earned enough money three quarter previous to when I was terminated. It didn't matter that I had worked for seven months prior to being laid off. I appealed. They denied. I appealed again, was denied again. So there ya go. They suck. They also suck for employers. We lost on 2nd appeal after the former employee LIED under oath to a judge about what he said to the employment commission. Apparently, if you lie you get bennies. So thats the secret, I gotta lie to them.
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Actually At Will has nothing to do with unemployment. An At will employee can be fired for NO reason. A person can receive unemployment if they were terminated thru no fault of their own; From TWC 2. Your separation from your last work
You must be unemployed or partially unemployed through no fault of your own to receive benefits. You should be prepared to present evidence that you tried to correct the problem before you quit. Examples of qualifying reasons are: You were laid off due to lack of work. You are still working but the employer reduced your hours. (Your reduction in hours must not be the result of a disciplinary action.) You were fired without work-related misconduct. Examples of misconduct are a violation of company policy; violation of law; neglect or mismanagement of your position; or failure to perform your work acceptably if you are capable of doing so. You quit your job for a good well-documented work-related or medical reason. TWC may rule good cause if the work situation would cause a person who truly wants to keep the job to leave it. Examples of possible good cause are unsafe working conditions or a significant change in hiring agreement, or not receiving payment for your work. Examples of medical reasons are quitting on your doctor's advice, or quitting to care for a minor child, or quitting to care for a terminally ill spouse if there is no alternative care provider. You quit to protect yourself from family violence or stalking, evidenced by an active or recently issued protective order, a police record documenting family violence or stalking directed against you, or medical documentation of family violence against you. |
| I was fired for cause and the former employer denied my claim so TWC denied my claim and I called in for my hearing and the employer didn't so the arbitrator ruled on my side and they paid my claim. Just stick to your guns and request the hearing and you will probably win. |
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I was fired for cause and the former employer denied my claim so TWC denied my claim and I called in for my hearing and the employer didn't so the arbitrator ruled on my side and they paid my claim. Just stick to your guns and request the hearing and you will probably win. Employers don't approve or deny claims. They respond to the notice sent by TWC and answer the questions asked. Failing to attend the hearing (even a phone hearing) can result in a default decision. |
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I was fired for cause and the former employer denied my claim so TWC denied my claim and I called in for my hearing and the employer didn't so the arbitrator ruled on my side and they paid my claim. Just stick to your guns and request the hearing and you will probably win. Employers don't approve or deny claims. They respond to the notice sent by TWC and answer the questions asked. Failing to attend the hearing (even a phone hearing) can result in a default decision. well actually they receive a phone call first followed by a letter in the mail. But they do deny claims. The state makes the final decision. |
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The last thing you ever want is your word against anyone else's. EVIDENCE is what you need. What kind of termination notice were you given. If it was in writing and it says anything other than you were terminated for conduct, your claim is valid. If you did not receive written termination notice, do you have any type of previous performance evaluations, customer evaluations, or anything like that? Were multiple workers fired within a short period of time? If so, a list of their names is what need. Did your previous employer have an appeals process and did you follow that? If so, do you have documentation from it?
I've been through this from both sides, but it has been a few years. If the laws have not changed, here is how it works. If you were fired due to conduct, negligence, or non-performance on your part, the employer can request the claim be denied, or they can just allow you to collect. This varies a lot company to company. In Texas, most (maybe all) private employers pay an unemployment premium based on payroll cost. The premium is determined by their claim history...so it is in their interest to keep the number of successful claims to a minimum. Government, schools, and some others are called "reimbursing employers"; which means they actually reimburse the state for every check paid out to a former employee. The telephone hearing are often considered to be very one sided because the ex employee frequently provides no documentation at all, while the employer provides a termination notice. Every case I was involved in simply boiled down to which side had the supporting documentation. There are even cases where you can quit a job and still collect benefits. I did this back in 1990 If you feel you really were fired without cause, IM me and I will provide more details on how I got the system to work for me and how not to loose eligibility while appealing. Official disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, do not play one on TV and did not stay in a Holiday Inn last night. YMMV. |
| I just had a phone hearing last friday I was there but the employer was not. Now they 14 days and another phone hearing. The employer did not supply information to TWC when they first denied my claim. They have failed three times to provide information to the TWC. I am getting my benifits so I continue to play the game. I would think that if they do not show for the next hearing. They are through trying to stop my claim. |
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I just had a phone hearing last friday I was there but the employer was not. Now they 14 days and another phone hearing. The employer did not supply information to TWC when they first denied my claim. They have failed three times to provide information to the TWC. I am getting my benifits so I continue to play the game. I would think that if they do not show for the next hearing. They are through trying to stop my claim. This happened to me. I would say that you will win. |
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I was fired for cause and the former employer denied my claim so TWC denied my claim and I called in for my hearing and the employer didn't so the arbitrator ruled on my side and they paid my claim. Just stick to your guns and request the hearing and you will probably win. Employers don't approve or deny claims. They respond to the notice sent by TWC and answer the questions asked. Failing to attend the hearing (even a phone hearing) can result in a default decision. well actually they receive a phone call first followed by a letter in the mail. But they do deny claims. The state makes the final decision. Who is "they"? We do not receive phone calls until hearings or if they need clarification to a written response. We always receive a claim notice in the mail. We respond with the facts. It is not our decision to approve or deny. There is no space to "approve" or "deny" the claim. The TWC makes the only decision. And we don't pay the person if the claim is approved. The state does. We pay an unemployement tax and the rate is based on paid claims. |
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The last thing you ever want is your word against anyone else's. EVIDENCE is what you need. What kind of termination notice were you given. If it was in writing and it says anything other than you were terminated for conduct, your claim is valid. If you did not receive written termination notice, do you have any type of previous performance evaluations, customer evaluations, or anything like that? Were multiple workers fired within a short period of time? If so, a list of their names is what need. Did your previous employer have an appeals process and did you follow that? If so, do you have documentation from it? I've been through this from both sides, but it has been a few years. If the laws have not changed, here is how it works. If you were fired due to conduct, negligence, or non-performance on your part, the employer can request the claim be denied, or they can just allow you to collect. This varies a lot company to company. In Texas, most (maybe all) private employers pay an unemployment premium based on payroll cost. The premium is determined by their claim history...so it is in their interest to keep the number of successful claims to a minimum. Government, schools, and some others are called "reimbursing employers"; which means they actually reimburse the state for every check paid out to a former employee. The telephone hearing are often considered to be very one sided because the ex employee frequently provides no documentation at all, while the employer provides a termination notice. Every case I was involved in simply boiled down to which side had the supporting documentation. There are even cases where you can quit a job and still collect benefits. I did this back in 1990 If you feel you really were fired without cause, IM me and I will provide more details on how I got the system to work for me and how not to loose eligibility while appealing. Official disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, do not play one on TV and did not stay in a Holiday Inn last night. YMMV. Best answer yet. |
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If you had already been fired.....
I retid to get unemployment once. Got denied cuz I was insubordinate. Said "fuck yerself after i was fired. fukkem. I opened my own shop. How could you have been insubordinate? They had already terminated your relationship with the company in question, so it should [then/thus] be impossible to be insubordinate after the termination. At least that's the way it would seem, from a logical perspective. |
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I was fired for cause and the former employer denied my claim so TWC denied my claim and I called in for my hearing and the employer didn't so the arbitrator ruled on my side and they paid my claim. Just stick to your guns and request the hearing and you will probably win. Employers don't approve or deny claims. They respond to the notice sent by TWC and answer the questions asked. Failing to attend the hearing (even a phone hearing) can result in a default decision. well actually they receive a phone call first followed by a letter in the mail. But they do deny claims. The state makes the final decision. Who is "they"? We do not receive phone calls until hearings or if they need clarification to a written response. We always receive a claim notice in the mail. We respond with the facts. It is not our decision to approve or deny. There is no space to "approve" or "deny" the claim. The TWC makes the only decision. And we don't pay the person if the claim is approved. The state does. We pay an unemployement tax and the rate is based on paid claims. Well "they" would be the former employer who lost their case when I finally got the hearing I requested with TWC. I have letters from TWC stating that messages were left with people in HR at my former employer. They have to document every time they attempted contact They call and send letters. At least they did in my case. I never said the employer pays the claim to the ex-employee. I know where the money comes from. |