Posted: 11/29/2008 7:42:37 PM EDT
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I had another run in with one of the range nazis at the Orange Gun Club today.
He was giving the third degree to some 8-12 year olds and their fathers for not wearing eye protection. Don't get me wrong, you should always wear eye protection but you don't use intimidation tactics on little kids who are enjoying quality times with their parents. I swear, some people just have to make everyone else as miserable as they are. I'm fuming  !
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I had another run in with one of the range nazis at the Orange Gun Club today. He was giving the third degree to some 8-12 year olds and their fathers for not wearing eye protection. Don't get me wrong, you should always wear eye protection but you don't use intimidation tactics on little kids who are enjoying quality times with their parents. I swear, some people just have to make everyone else as miserable as they are. I'm fuming  !I dunno, not following important range safety rules seems like a pretty valid reason for a range monitor to warn a shooter. In the case of kids, the parents should be warned –– its the parents responsibility to make sure their kids know and follow the rules. I wasn't there so I don't know how it was handled and maybe they did it poorly or went too far. But if it were my range, I'd certainly consider refusal to wear proper ear and eye protection to be reasonable grounds for ejection. I'd be nice about the first warning, but if they continued to refuse to comply I'd ask them to leave. |
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I had another run in with one of the range nazis at the Orange Gun Club today. He was giving the third degree to some 8-12 year olds and their fathers for not wearing eye protection. Don't get me wrong, you should always wear eye protection but you don't use intimidation tactics on little kids who are enjoying quality times with their parents. I swear, some people just have to make everyone else as miserable as they are. I'm fuming !I dunno, not following important range safety rules seems like a pretty valid reason for a range monitor to warn a shooter. In the case of kids, the parents should be warned –– its the parents responsibility to make sure their kids know and follow the rules. I wasn't there so I don't know how it was handled and maybe they did it poorly or went too far. But if it were my range, I'd certainly consider refusal to wear proper ear and eye protection to be reasonable grounds for ejection. I'd be nice about the first warning, but if they continued to refuse to comply I'd ask them to leave. This I know my eyeglasses saved my eye from a 9mm shell there is still a sratch in them to prove it. |
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I'm not arguing the fact that you should wear safety glasses, but you don't yell at strange kids who don't realize they aren't doing anything wrong.
He should have calmly explained to all parties involved the dangers of shooting without eye protection. I've had run-ins with this guy before, typical Type A personality. He's the Secretary of the gun club and he thinks that he owns the place. A guy I work with got kicked off a few months ago for "rapid-fire" on the rifle range. At the time "rapid-fire" wasn't defined but there was a sign that forbid it. My co-worker was bench rest shooting his AR on the 100 yard range when this guy comes up and starts screaming about how rapid fire isn't allowed. My friend argues that he wasn't rapid firing and was in complete control of his shooting to which Mr. Secretary retorts that you can only load one round at a time on the rifle range. An argument ensues and the Orange County SD is called out (the second time they had been called out by the same guy in one week). Anyway my friend's membership is revoked and they gun club sends out a letter to all members defining rapid fire as one shot every five seconds. Another incident involved my dentist. Being the good mother (and widow) she is, she decides to take her 17 year old son to the gun range to shoot pistols. It was hot and the mosquitoes were out that day so she sat in the car and read a book while her son shot. During which time one of the gun club officers comes up and informs her that she needs to get out of the car and supervise her son since he wasn't a member or they would have to leave. She was sitting 15 feet behind him in the car and could see everything he was doing at the time. It just really pisses me off that some of the gun club officers will wait at the gun range all day just to confront someone about something silly. Every member I know has had some incident with the officers out there. They generally treat the members like retards who don't deserve to be out there disturbing there oh so cool hangout. I would love not to give anymore of my money to those pompous asses but there isn't that much competition to choose from in the area that's on par. There is no reason why they have to be so confrontational with people who are trying to enjoy their weekend. |
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ok fellas. I don't think the OP was criticizing the need for eye protection at all. Not a bit.
The was criticizing the "range master's" method of instruction to new shooters as to when and where and how it should be applied. I know some of you are TASS and TAKS grads, but RIF. OP was NOT saying eye protection is bad. The OP is saying the range person is an ass and scaring off new shooters. And I totally agree with the OP. Shouting is not needed when a more calm approach will suffice. Showing the size of your "Range Dick" in not of import. ETA: I know the OP didn't say "shout." But I took by "third degree" the Range King was being abusive or hateful in some manner. The OP is saying things cold have been handled in a manner more condusive to instruction. |
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ok fellas. I don't think the OP was criticizing the need for eye protection at all. Not a bit. The was criticizing the "range master's" method of instruction to new shooters as to when and where and how it should be applied. I know some of you are TASS and TAKS grads, but RIF. OP was NOT saying eye protection is bad. The OP is saying the range person is an ass and scaring off new shooters. And I totally agree with the OP. Shouting is not needed when a more calm approach will suffice. Showing the size of your "Range Dick" in not of import. ETA: I know the OP didn't say "shout." But I took by "third degree" the Range King was being abusive or hateful in some manner. The OP is saying things cold have been handled in a manner more condusive to instruction. Thank-you, I was beginning to think I wasn't making myself clear or I was the only one who felt this way. |
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The OP is saying the range person is an ass and scaring off new shooters. And I totally agree with the OP. Shouting is not needed when a more calm approach will suffice. Showing the size of your "Range Dick" in not of import. ETA: I know the OP didn't say "shout." But I took by "third degree" the Range King was being abusive or hateful in some manner. The OP is saying things cold have been handled in a manner more condusive to instruction. Say what you want, but I guaran-damn-tee you that those kids will remember what happened and will want to wear eye protection the next time they go shooting, lest the "Evil Ranger Master" comes and eats them. Bottom line, if its not your facility, then you need to expect to be treated any way the range feels like treating you. For the range, its huge insurance liability issues, so if they want to yell or be "mean" to get their point across, then they will. If you can't take criticism for stupidity when it comes to safety, then firearms may not be for you. Pretty much every safe range I've ever been to has "asshole" range masters. Now I don't know how bad OC Range is, but we have some fairly strict range masters at ASC here in Houston. Some days those guys are hard as nails on the rules and they do make public examples out of people on the PA system. ASC people follow the rules and if they don't, everyone hears about it on the PA. No one wants to be singled out publicly and therefore most of the time the rules are followed. As strict as they are at ASC, I do feel safer many times there then at the indoor range near my residence where rules are pretty much not enforced at all. |
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The OP is saying the range person is an ass and scaring off new shooters. And I totally agree with the OP. Shouting is not needed when a more calm approach will suffice. Showing the size of your "Range Dick" in not of import. ETA: I know the OP didn't say "shout." But I took by "third degree" the Range King was being abusive or hateful in some manner. The OP is saying things cold have been handled in a manner more condusive to instruction. Say what you want, but I guaran-damn-tee you that those kids will remember what happened and will want to wear eye protection the next time they go shooting, lest the "Evil Ranger Master" comes and eats them. Bottom line, if its not your facility, then you need to expect to be treated any way the range feels like treating you. For the range, its huge insurance liability issues, so if they want to yell or be "mean" to get their point across, then they will. If you can't take criticism for stupidity when it comes to safety, then firearms may not be for you. Pretty much every safe range I've ever been to has "asshole" range masters. Now I don't know how bad OC Range is, but we have some fairly strict range masters at ASC here in Houston. Some days those guys are hard as nails on the rules and they do make public examples out of people on the PA system. ASC people follow the rules and if they don't, everyone hears about it on the PA. No one wants to be singled out publicly and therefore most of the time the rules are followed. As strict as they are at ASC, I do feel safer many times there then at the indoor range near my residence where rules are pretty much not enforced at all. My point is I doubt the kids will want to come back after being treated like crap. And I was wearing eye protection at the time so I do agree with what the secretary was saying but not the way he said it. Confucius say: Do not remove a fly from your friend's head with a hatchet Luckily the kids didn't have to leave because when I saw what happened, I dug through my truck and found three old pairs of safety glasses for them to wear (I usually have a few lying around since I'm an engineer in a refinery and we're required to wear them). It wasn't enough for all of the kids but at least the ones on the firing line could wear them. It looked like they still had a good time after the secretary left, but I'm not for sure. One of the younger ones acted like he was scared to shoot after that and mostly sat in his dad's car. But I'm afraid that next time those kids are invited by their dad to go shoot their going to decline the offer and continue to watch tv or play video games. I'm not a child psychologist, but I couldn't see using public embarrassment and intimidation on kids as a way to get a point across successfully. Only seems like a good way to build resentment. We as a shooting community need all the support and friends we can get. If we run off the kids who are interested, we are going to be in trouble down the road. But apparently scottfire1957 is the only one who even remotely agrees with me on this one. |
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The OP is saying the range person is an ass and scaring off new shooters. And I totally agree with the OP. Shouting is not needed when a more calm approach will suffice. Showing the size of your "Range Dick" in not of import. ETA: I know the OP didn't say "shout." But I took by "third degree" the Range King was being abusive or hateful in some manner. The OP is saying things cold have been handled in a manner more condusive to instruction. Say what you want, but I guaran-damn-tee you that those kids will remember what happened and will want to wear eye protection the next time they go shooting, lest the "Evil Ranger Master" comes and eats them. Bottom line, if its not your facility, then you need to expect to be treated any way the range feels like treating you. For the range, its huge insurance liability issues, so if they want to yell or be "mean" to get their point across, then they will. If you can't take criticism for stupidity when it comes to safety, then firearms may not be for you. Pretty much every safe range I've ever been to has "asshole" range masters. Now I don't know how bad OC Range is, but we have some fairly strict range masters at ASC here in Houston. Some days those guys are hard as nails on the rules and they do make public examples out of people on the PA system. ASC people follow the rules and if they don't, everyone hears about it on the PA. No one wants to be singled out publicly and therefore most of the time the rules are followed. As strict as they are at ASC, I do feel safer many times there then at the indoor range near my residence where rules are pretty much not enforced at all. Jesus H Fucking Christ. If this range master acosted you the way he did that family, what would have done? Yeah the kids will remember what happened, and maybe they WON'T want to go shooting again. Did you think of that? Or dad won't take them because of that RANGE KING? Yeah, the kids will remember the safety glasses, IF they ever shoot again. ETA: Once again, the OP was not talking about rule enforcement, but HOW they were enforced. He's stating that the range king could have been more "diplomatic." Is this that difficult a topic? Hell, if I were range king, I would have brought glasses for those that didn't have them, explained the "rules" to the dad, stood back and watched for a while, and if all went well, wished then a good time at my range. Life does not have to be a series of confrontations. Not in Texas. |
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Jesus H Fucking Christ. If this range master acosted you the way he did that family, what would have done? Yeah the kids will remember what happened, and maybe they WON'T want to go shooting again. Did you think of that? Or dad won't take them because of that RANGE KING? Yeah, the kids will remember the safety glasses, IF they ever shoot again. Well my dad and I have been yelled at by the ASC people and learned our lesson. We didn't quit shooting, we just took it as a lesson. Next question. |
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Jesus H Fucking Christ. If this range master acosted you the way he did that family, what would have done? Yeah the kids will remember what happened, and maybe they WON'T want to go shooting again. Did you think of that? Or dad won't take them because of that RANGE KING? Yeah, the kids will remember the safety glasses, IF they ever shoot again. Well my dad and I have been yelled at by the ASC people and learned our lesson. We didn't quit shooting, we just took it as a lesson. Next question. Thankfully, but I'm sure you weren't 8 years old either. |
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So? What has your experience got to do with this? Are you a "8-12" year old kid?
I'm agreeing with the OP in that one does not have to have his ass chewed out to be made aware of proper safety procedures. That perhaps there is a "nicer" way to do it the first time. |
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Jesus H Fucking Christ. If this range master acosted you the way he did that family, what would have done? Yeah the kids will remember what happened, and maybe they WON'T want to go shooting again. Did you think of that? Or dad won't take them because of that RANGE KING? Yeah, the kids will remember the safety glasses, IF they ever shoot again. Well my dad and I have been yelled at by the ASC people and learned our lesson. We didn't quit shooting, we just took it as a lesson. Next question. Thankfully, but I'm sure you weren't 8 years old either. I don't want to change subjects but I have a problem with kids that young shooting. Most those ages simply don't have the respect of firearm safety and fully comprehend the consequences of improper handling. I've heard the "well my kid is that mature" argument, but 2 years ago I had a loaded SIG Mosquito pointed right at my head with the finger on the trigger as a younger boy (maybe 10 or so) proceeded to turn around and tell his dad how he hit the bulls eye. Its not the first time either. Firearm handling, ear and eye protection is serious stuff. These range masters face safety violations day in and day out and yes, many won't have tolerance for it at all. All it takes is one incident to close down a range for good. If anyone is worried about their kid getting emotionally scared for life because they were lectured on safety, then they need to find a different, less safe place to shoot or some public land. Whether you like it or not, ranges that are strict and harsh with rules have people who follow them more closely, especially when some hot headed "KING OF THE RANGE" is present. |
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Jesus H Fucking Christ. If this range master acosted you the way he did that family, what would have done? Yeah the kids will remember what happened, and maybe they WON'T want to go shooting again. Did you think of that? Or dad won't take them because of that RANGE KING? Yeah, the kids will remember the safety glasses, IF they ever shoot again. Well my dad and I have been yelled at by the ASC people and learned our lesson. We didn't quit shooting, we just took it as a lesson. Next question. Thankfully, but I'm sure you weren't 8 years old either. I don't want to change subjects but I have a problem with kids that young shooting. Most those ages simply don't have the respect of firearm safety and fully comprehend the consequences of improper handling. I've heard the "well my kid is that mature" argument, but 2 years ago I had a loaded SIG Mosquito pointed right at my head with the finger on the trigger as a younger boy (maybe 10 or so) proceeded to turn around and tell his dad how he hit the bulls eye. Its not the first time either. Firearm handling, ear and eye protection is serious stuff. These range masters face safety violations day in and day out and yes, many won't have tolerance for it at all. All it takes is one incident to close down a range for good. If anyone is worried about their kid getting emotionally scared for life because they were lectured on safety, then they need to find a different, less safe place to shoot or some public land. Whether you like it or not, ranges that are strict and harsh with rules have people who follow them more closely, especially when some hot headed "KING OF THE RANGE" is present. I guess you've made up your mind then. Best NOT to teach kids about guns till they are what, 20, 25 years old? Yeah, the eye protection thing was a mistake, but that is not what the OP was complaining about. He was complaining about the messenger, not the message. A range can be strict and instructional, or strict and confrontational. It's not difficult to comprehend the difference, or the OP's original rant. ETA: When you had the .22 pointed at you, did you yell at the kid and his dad, or did you try to tell them in a calm as possible manner how they endagered you and everyone else? Or did you duck, pack your shit and leave? How about the other times? Did you try to share the safety procedures, or did you pack and leave. There is a lot of instruction that needs doin. Who's doin it? I do if I get a chance, as should you. Do you need to go all Marine drill intructor on their asses? Not always. |
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I hang out at the Southeast Texas Sportsmans Club off of FM 105 between Vidor and Bridge City. I usually don't see anyone there and the range master never bothers me. It gives me plenty of room to do some drills. Agreed I love shooting there. Best $40a year I've ever spent. They don't care what you do as long as you follow the 4 rules and aren't an idiot about what you do. |
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Jesus H Fucking Christ. If this range master acosted you the way he did that family, what would have done? Yeah the kids will remember what happened, and maybe they WON'T want to go shooting again. Did you think of that? Or dad won't take them because of that RANGE KING? Yeah, the kids will remember the safety glasses, IF they ever shoot again. Well my dad and I have been yelled at by the ASC people and learned our lesson. We didn't quit shooting, we just took it as a lesson. Next question. Thankfully, but I'm sure you weren't 8 years old either. I don't want to change subjects but I have a problem with kids that young shooting. Most those ages simply don't have the respect of firearm safety and fully comprehend the consequences of improper handling. I've heard the "well my kid is that mature" argument, but 2 years ago I had a loaded SIG Mosquito pointed right at my head with the finger on the trigger as a younger boy (maybe 10 or so) proceeded to turn around and tell his dad how he hit the bulls eye. Its not the first time either. Wow. Don't have much positive to say to that. Really hard to keep quiet on that one. If a range officer approached me yelling I wouldn't be back. If someone yelled at my kids that range master and I would have some serious words and he might end up on his backside. Bottom line is I paid my money to be there, and won't break range safety on purpose. Come at me or my kids in a sane manner and I'm very compliant and will bend over backwards for someone. I expect to be treated better then a dog. |
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Jesus H Fucking Christ. If this range master acosted you the way he did that family, what would have done? Yeah the kids will remember what happened, and maybe they WON'T want to go shooting again. Did you think of that? Or dad won't take them because of that RANGE KING? Yeah, the kids will remember the safety glasses, IF they ever shoot again. Well my dad and I have been yelled at by the ASC people and learned our lesson. We didn't quit shooting, we just took it as a lesson. Next question. Thankfully, but I'm sure you weren't 8 years old either. I don't want to change subjects but I have a problem with kids that young shooting. Most those ages simply don't have the respect of firearm safety and fully comprehend the consequences of improper handling. I've heard the "well my kid is that mature" argument, but 2 years ago I had a loaded SIG Mosquito pointed right at my head with the finger on the trigger as a younger boy (maybe 10 or so) proceeded to turn around and tell his dad how he hit the bulls eye. Its not the first time either. Firearm handling, ear and eye protection is serious stuff. These range masters face safety violations day in and day out and yes, many won't have tolerance for it at all. All it takes is one incident to close down a range for good. If anyone is worried about their kid getting emotionally scared for life because they were lectured on safety, then they need to find a different, less safe place to shoot or some public land. Whether you like it or not, ranges that are strict and harsh with rules have people who follow them more closely, especially when some hot headed "KING OF THE RANGE" is present. I was taught to shoot by my Grandpa when I was 8 years old. He took me out to an isolated area (back woods not a range) and calmly and patiently taught me all about gun safety and proper handling. Then he CLOSELY supervised me while I shot my first 50-100 rounds. Everytime I started to do something stupid he CALMLY reminded me about the safety rules he had already taught me. This episode was repeated for the next 4 years every time I went on the deer hunt/camping trip with them. He never once raised his voice or "read me the riot act" instead frowning slightly and reminding me everytime i did something wrong. By the second year (age 9) I was shooting well and safely, looking forward to spending the time with my grandpa and dreading doing something that caused the slight frown. Years later when my stepfather (a career LEO) took me with him to a department turkey shoot to shoot handguns for the first time the other officers commented several times how impressed they were that a kid as young as I was handled the weapons so well and so safely. Age of the shooter has nothing to do with safety it has to do with positive reinforcement of correct behavior and patient correction of bad behavior. As a result of the patient instruction my Grandpa gave me I developed a lifetime love of firearms and a healthy respect for the dangers involved. I agree 100% with the OP that the range officer threw away a golden opportunity to teach those kids something that would stick instead of making it a bad day with the "scary guy at the gun range" |
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The OP is saying the range person is an ass and scaring off new shooters. And I totally agree with the OP. Shouting is not needed when a more calm approach will suffice. Showing the size of your "Range Dick" in not of import. ETA: I know the OP didn't say "shout." But I took by "third degree" the Range King was being abusive or hateful in some manner. The OP is saying things cold have been handled in a manner more conducive to instruction. Say what you want, but I guaran-damn-tee you that those kids will remember what happened and will want to wear eye protection the next time they go shooting, lest the "Evil Ranger Master" comes and eats them. Bottom line, if its not your facility, then you need to expect to be treated any way the range feels like treating you. For the range, its huge insurance liability issues, so if they want to yell or be "mean" to get their point across, then they will. If you can't take criticism for stupidity when it comes to safety, then firearms may not be for you. Pretty much every safe range I've ever been to has "asshole" range masters. Now I don't know how bad OC Range is, but we have some fairly strict range masters at ASC here in Houston. Some days those guys are hard as nails on the rules and they do make public examples out of people on the PA system. ASC people follow the rules and if they don't, everyone hears about it on the PA. No one wants to be singled out publicly and therefore most of the time the rules are followed. As strict as they are at ASC, I do feel safer many times there then at the indoor range near my residence where rules are pretty much not enforced at all. My point is I doubt the kids will want to come back after being treated like crap. And I was wearing eye protection at the time so I do agree with what the secretary was saying but not the way he said it. Confucius say: Do not remove a fly from your friend's head with a hatchet Luckily the kids didn't have to leave because when I saw what happened, I dug through my truck and found three old pairs of safety glasses for them to wear (I usually have a few lying around since I'm an engineer in a refinery and we're required to wear them). It wasn't enough for all of the kids but at least the ones on the firing line could wear them. It looked like they still had a good time after the secretary left, but I'm not for sure. One of the younger ones acted like he was scared to shoot after that and mostly sat in his dad's car. But I'm afraid that next time those kids are invited by their dad to go shoot their going to decline the offer and continue to watch tv or play video games. I'm not a child psychologist, but I couldn't see using public embarrassment and intimidation on kids as a way to get a point across successfully. Only seems like a good way to build resentment. We as a shooting community need all the support and friends we can get. If we run off the kids who are interested, we are going to be in trouble down the road. But apparently scottfire1957 is the only one who even remotely agrees with me on this one. Teach. Observe. Teach. Observe. Reinforce. Teach. Observe. Reinforce. Teach. I agree with the OP based on his account. RO could do a better job by teaching safety to children. Further, humiliating the Dad in front of the children is a poor plan for success. Success is the Dad realizing his safety error then being able to share that with the kids. It doesn't need to be harsh. That said, I also sympathize with the RO. He probably has to correct safety errors every time he goes to the range. I'd bet it gets old. My kids and I run whitewater rivers. I've been doing that for a lot longer than shooting. Some of the rules for that sport are just as important as The 4 Rules. I've tried to teach my kids that safety rules for a potentially dangerous sport are non-negotiable. I set an example for them to follow. I retrain them when they make mistakes. It seems to work. They won't go near the water with out their PFD and on the range, they wear their glasses. Now, if I could just teach them to always put their PFD's and glasses away in the right place, all would be well and good. 
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The OP is saying the range person is an ass and scaring off new shooters. And I totally agree with the OP. Shouting is not needed when a more calm approach will suffice. Showing the size of your "Range Dick" in not of import. ETA: I know the OP didn't say "shout." But I took by "third degree" the Range King was being abusive or hateful in some manner. The OP is saying things cold have been handled in a manner more condusive to instruction. Say what you want, but I guaran-damn-tee you that those kids will remember what happened and will want to wear eye protection the next time they go shooting, lest the "Evil Ranger Master" comes and eats them. Bottom line, if its not your facility, then you need to expect to be treated any way the range feels like treating you. For the range, its huge insurance liability issues, so if they want to yell or be "mean" to get their point across, then they will. If you can't take criticism for stupidity when it comes to safety, then firearms may not be for you. Pretty much every safe range I've ever been to has "asshole" range masters. Now I don't know how bad OC Range is, but we have some fairly strict range masters at ASC here in Houston. Some days those guys are hard as nails on the rules and they do make public examples out of people on the PA system. ASC people follow the rules and if they don't, everyone hears about it on the PA. No one wants to be singled out publicly and therefore most of the time the rules are followed. As strict as they are at ASC, I do feel safer many times there then at the indoor range near my residence where rules are pretty much not enforced at all. My point is I doubt the kids will want to come back after being treated like crap. And I was wearing eye protection at the time so I do agree with what the secretary was saying but not the way he said it. Confucius say: Do not remove a fly from your friend's head with a hatchet Luckily the kids didn't have to leave because when I saw what happened, I dug through my truck and found three old pairs of safety glasses for them to wear (I usually have a few lying around since I'm an engineer in a refinery and we're required to wear them). It wasn't enough for all of the kids but at least the ones on the firing line could wear them. It looked like they still had a good time after the secretary left, but I'm not for sure. One of the younger ones acted like he was scared to shoot after that and mostly sat in his dad's car. But I'm afraid that next time those kids are invited by their dad to go shoot their going to decline the offer and continue to watch tv or play video games. I'm not a child psychologist, but I couldn't see using public embarrassment and intimidation on kids as a way to get a point across successfully. Only seems like a good way to build resentment. We as a shooting community need all the support and friends we can get. If we run off the kids who are interested, we are going to be in trouble down the road. But apparently scottfire1957 is the only one who even remotely agrees with me on this one. im with you! |
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I ma with the OP myself. I shoot IDPA with a local club. We have new shooters on a regular basis. Some seem to pick up the rules very fast and some are a little slower. If someone does something very unsafe like moving from one position to another with their finger on the trigger, you will hear several people shut "FINGER". After the shooter is finished with the stage, the Safety Officer will take them to the side and calmly explain what they did wrong. If it continues, the instruction gets more firm but we never YELL at or belittle anyone. in the time that I have been apart of this club we have only DQd one shooter. The situation was handled properly and the shooter bagged his pistol and stuck around to help the rest of the match to help score and tape targets. He also returned to shoot the next match and has shot about 85% of the matches since.
We dont want to "call them out" in front of other shooters and embarrass them. Anytime you instruct someone (about ANYTHING) you can either give "constructive instruction" or "Destructive instruction" Screaming and yelling is NOT positive reinforcement. Not mention, the last thing I want to do is yell at, embarrass, or belittle someone that has a loaded gun near by. |