Posted: 11/13/2007 10:29:00 PM EDT
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I am sure it has been posted before but it is not like it hurts anyone to post it again. It would be nice to get the ball rolling on Open Carry in Texas. www.petitiononline.com/texasoc/petition.html |
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It's an interesting discussion point, John Lott in Freedomnomics shows that crime rates are lower in concealed carry areas than in open carry areas. The rationale is that the bad guys know who has the gun and won't attack the open carry guy. When concealed, they don't know who has the gun and generally attack less on average. R. |
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As a Tx. CHL instructor I get this question all the time. It would be nice not to have to worry that it is completely concealed at all times or if I were just stopping to get gas at the self serve. How ever going around all the time in city's like Dallas, Tx. I personally don't think it would work. I'm a small man 61 years old, just how hard would it be for a large young man to come up behind me and take my gun? Don't get me wrong, I'm not against it, just see a lot of problems with it. Tom |
It works in VA... and the NOVA area is as metro as Dallas. I would open carry in a heart beat. I've done it lots of times where allowed. It's no big deal... really. |
If concealed carry was "better", then uniformed Police Officers would carry concealed. The truth is, that both modes of carry, open and concealed, have strengths and weaknesses. Your Mileage May Not Vary... |
You just answered your own question...screw crime rates....if bad people wont attack people they KNOW have a gun...well...I want to carry a gun out in the open. Other people are either morons...or should follow. Let other people worry about themselves in that respect. That is their responsibility...my responsibility is to use what I can to protect me and mine in the best way I can. At the end of the day, I just want the choice. |
Sure it does... TABC |
Whats TABC mean? As far as I know, the only restrictions on carrying a long gun are doing so "in a manner designed to cause alarm" and carrying one in the normal places that no guns are allowed. You don't see it much any more, but I remember seeing rifles and shotguns on racks in people's cars all the time. |
Texas Alcohol Beverage Commision. Every grocery store I've been in sells at least beer. TABC prohibits unlicensed possession of a firearm in businesses that sell alcohol I'm unaware of a license or permit that allows a long gun... |
+1 Couldn't have said it better. I probably wouldn't use it as I like concealed, but the right to choose is important. |
The sign states that it is a TABC rule/law/regulation and it does not say "handgun" it says "firearm" Fixed it for you 
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TABC Alcohol Beverage Retailer's Guide www.tabc.state.tx.us/publications/RetailersGuide2004.pdf Page 106 has a depiction of the sign which states "The unlicensed possession of a weapon....." I think that would cover rifles. Tex Penal Code § 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his person a handgun, illegal knife, or club. (b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. (c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages. I was trying to support Jason....now one says weapon and 46.01 defines firearms as weapons.....but 46.02 says handguns but not rifles or the broader term weapon.  I have a headache. mm |
What would be the point of a police officer carrying concealed? Every police officer, while on duty has a gun to my knowledge (w/ the exception of administrative positions perhaps). Everyone knows that, it is common knowledge and it would serve no purpose for them to carry concealed. But myself on the other hand, with no badge, squad car, or uniform would be better served carrying concealed in my opinion. I certainly don't think it should be prohibited though if you want to open carry. My thoughts on the matter is that I believe I would be better served most of the time carrying concealed. |
But the Police Officer clearly loses tactical advantage because the gun is in "the open" |
| I'd love open carry, then I could carry my Mark 23 in my Safariland thigh rig. I've never worried about the old "snatch and run" fear because with a good retention system on a holster you can simply use a knife from your belt to ventilate the bad guy's neck when he tries to snatch your weapon. If you ever found yourself in a hostage situation then open carry would be at a severe disadvantage vs concealed carry however. |
Where did you learn that? |
No, it says "weapon":
Alcoholic Beverage Retailer's Guide If you search for the word "alcohol" in Chapter 46, you will find prohibitions in 46.02 (Unlawful Carrying Weapons [handguns, illegal knives and clubs]) and 46.035 (Unlawful Carrying Of Handgun By License Holder). Chapter 46 is completely silent about firearms other than handguns in premises licensed by TABC. |
The police officer never had a tactical advantage, everyone already knows they have a gun. |
I seem to remember people saying this about concealed carry in TX. I lived in GA, and it was open or concealed. Nobody ever called the cops when I open carried. Did I do it often? No, but I would like to take my coat off and not be in violation because I'm now showing while I'm eating at a restaurant, movie, etc.
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Texas would be perfect if it allowed open carry and "printing" not be such an issue. Just be thankful that you can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol; here in Arizona, we cannot. I have never been able to figure out why AZ is free on one thing and TX free on another. Every year we fill out petitions to allow restaurant carry while you guys fill out petitions for open carry, and they keep getting shot down. It doesn't make any sense. The only real advantage to having the open carry is having the option to do so. Here, even if you are a strong believer in concealed only, at least you won't get into trouble if the gun shows a little or there is a slight bulge somewhere. Not to mention, it can get too damn hot to fully conceal, so , I have the option not to...freedom is nice. When I move back to Texas, I will be signing that petition, too. |
Please understand I'll vote for open carry any time it comes up. We just moved about a year ago and some of the neighbors and church members are still adjusting to me having a gun on when they come by. We live on 9 acres and any time I'm outside and it's worm weather you will see a gun on me, that includes when the grandson is here and we go for a walk. But even if it becomes legal when going in public I'll cover up. If I see some one carrying open in public, I will NOT call 911! This is just my view on it and I respect others views on it. Sincerely Tom |
I agree. I'm not that interested in open carry but this would make me less worrisome about 'printing' or accidental display. |