Posted: 6/16/2016 12:09:41 PM EDT
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What can be learned from the Orlando shooting? Looking at only the facts, lots. Don’t get caught up in all the hype of the media. Leave the who did what to whom to the talking heads.
Here are the facts we have to work with. Weapons free venue, one shooter, very large crowd. Those that have taken training with me or read my posts know it's “Tactics, Mindset and Shooting” that I teach. With that in mind is there anything there for this situation? The shooting part is out so what's left? “Tactics and Mindset”. Understand that as Sun Tzu teaches in The Art of War, you are on death ground. Meaning life as you know it is close to ending. It wasn’t your moment in time, you survived the first volley of fire. People running, screaming the moans from those that were hit. Blood everywhere, these are the facts. Shooter has to reload [Tactics] your chance to act. You charge the shooter [Mindset] your chance to live. Will it work? Nobody on earth can answer that, but it gives you a possibility of survival. Remember you were on death ground. |
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It's a lose/lose either way you look at it. Once it went loud, everyone in there was either dead or injured. They just didn't know it yet.
The key is to accept the situation for what it is and continually seek to improve it. Create distance or decrease distance? Run away or fight back? The answer is different for each person and their piece of the big puzzle. As for me, I can promise you that I will never be a hostage. I ain't going out like that. |
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Not every situation gives you the opportunity to fight back or GTFO. I'm out of the US a fair amount and if someone decides to blow up my car in a traffic jam or the cartels decide to have a shootout in my hotel's bar, then I'm screwed.
So, another lesson here is that if you get hit, but don't die or pass out instantly, then you need to know how to stop blood from leaking out. You only have maybe 5 liters total and if 2 leak out, you'll go into shock. No telling how many of those people in Orlando or other terror attacks just bleed out because they had no knowledge or way to stop the leaks. There are classes specifically designed to teach you how to treat trauma and stay in the fight. Dark Angel and Ditch Medicine come to mind. I'm sure there are others. |
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I'm honestly more afraid of an event at work. In fact, a coworker and I discussed this just the other day. With security unarmed, we literally would be at the mercy of MPD to arrive.  I'm with you, I'm more concerned about my nighttime drive to/from work than anywhere else (I work in south memphis). |
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If you are at a place like this at this time of day with these kind of people in that neighborhood, you have made a long list of bad decisions. Never make any of those bad decisions and you will not be in this scenario. Putting myself in this scenario is never going to happen. The largest event I am attending is a wedding, funeral or a 60 person or less church service. No bars. No 100,000 plus people sporting events. Nothing late at night in a bad section of town. Never go anywhere you cannot be legally armed. No parties where people are drinking to excess or abusing drugs. Living the rural lifestyle and going to bed on time every night in your own bed keeps people from starting on that list of bad decisions.
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If you are at a place like this at this time of day with these kind of people in that neighborhood, you have made a long list of bad decisions. Never make any of those bad decisions and you will not be in this scenario. Putting myself in this scenario is never going to happen. The largest event I am attending is a wedding, funeral or a 60 person or less church service. No bars. No 100,000 plus people sporting events. Nothing late at night in a bad section of town. Never go anywhere you cannot be legally armed. No parties where people are drinking to excess or abusing drugs. Living the rural lifestyle and going to bed on time every night in your own bed keeps people from starting on that list of bad decisions. I came here to say this. When I'm not traveling for my job I sit my happy butt at home. I've always been told by my dad and granddad that if you have to do it at night, or you don't want your close friends or parents to know about it, then you prolly shouldn't be doing it. Hog hunting is excluded
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In general, avoiding places where trouble can happen will help manage risk, however bad things can and do happen at otherwise safe places. I'm not at all worried at work. We have a sign on every entrance. Those signs only protect you from Berettas
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In general, avoiding places where trouble can happen will help manage risk, however bad things can and do happen at otherwise safe places. I'm not at all worried at work. We have a sign on every entrance. Those signs only protect you from Berettas Revolvers.
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In general, avoiding places where trouble can happen will help manage risk, however bad things can and do happen at otherwise safe places. I'm not at all worried at work. We have a sign on every entrance. Keep the faith in those signs brother. They work as well as gun control laws.
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In general, avoiding places where trouble can happen will help manage risk, however bad things can and do happen at otherwise safe places. I'm not at all worried at work. We have a sign on every entrance. Keep the faith in those signs brother. They work as well as gun control laws. Said no criminal ever. |
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Second Place Is Not An Option
Whether a situation like Orlando or a confrontation in a grocery store parking lot. Have the Tactics, Mindset and Shooting skills to deal with the situation. Nothing is ever going to go down exactly as you have trained. Or as you may have imagined it would. The training will kick in when that "Oh Shit" moment happens. Taking training is NEVER money wasted. Go with an open mind and be willing to learn and you will come away glad you went. |
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Not every situation gives you the opportunity to fight back or GTFO. I'm out of the US a fair amount and if someone decides to blow up my car in a traffic jam or the cartels decide to have a shootout in my hotel's bar, then I'm screwed. So, another lesson here is that if you get hit, but don't die or pass out instantly, then you need to know how to stop blood from leaking out. You only have maybe 5 liters total and if 2 leak out, you'll go into shock. No telling how many of those people in Orlando or other terror attacks just bleed out because they had no knowledge or way to stop the leaks. There are classes specifically designed to teach you how to treat trauma and stay in the fight. Dark Angel and Ditch Medicine come to mind. I'm sure there are others. This is great advice for most folks here, but in the case of Orlando, it probably won't do much good because most folks in that club at that time(0200) were shitfaced and/or high as a giraffes ass. Not only is their ability to function very low, but the alcohol thins the blood so much it's like water and they bleed quicker/more from wounds than sober folks usually do. Another thing, anyone here ever tried to stand on a hard surface(not concrete or highway pavement but tile like in a bar/club) heavily coated with blood? It's very slick, like oil. I've worked a ton of club/intox victim shootings, they loose lots of blood and it's very thin. Overall, I'm not an instructor, but I'm of the opinion of some others here: if you don't put yourself in a bad situation you'll never have to use your training. Also, I do understand that bad things happen to even the most prepared people, so there are still things to be learned from this, which is why I'm here: to get others perspective. |
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If you are at a place like this at this time of day with these kind of people in that neighborhood, you have made a long list of bad decisions. Never make any of those bad decisions and you will not be in this scenario. Putting myself in this scenario is never going to happen. The largest event I am attending is a wedding, funeral or a 60 person or less church service. No bars. No 100,000 plus people sporting events. Nothing late at night in a bad section of town. Never go anywhere you cannot be legally armed. No parties where people are drinking to excess or abusing drugs. Living the rural lifestyle and going to bed on time every night in your own bed keeps people from starting on that list of bad decisions. This. Especially the part in red. The only place I don't carry is at my workplace and that's only because I believe the risk of being found carrying (and the severe repercussions that would follow) exceeds the risk of being in a situation where I'll need my gun. Otherwise, I avoid crowds whenever possible, avoid bad people and bad situations and carry religiously.....even when at my home on 45 acres in my rural county where violence is extremely rare. |
| Yesterday's attack in Turkey is the sort of thing concerns me. I'm jammed up in airport lines a good bit and TSA checkpoints are the worst thing. Most of the time, the checkpoints aren't far from an exterior door or other unsecured area. The terrorists don't even have to hijack a plane anymore. |
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Yesterday's attack in Turkey is the sort of thing concerns me. I'm jammed up in airport lines a good bit and TSA checkpoints are the worst thing. Most of the time, the checkpoints aren't far from an exterior door or other unsecured area. The terrorists don't even have to hijack a plane anymore. Need to do like Israel does have several check points starting at outer perimeter. |
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Yesterday's attack in Turkey is the sort of thing concerns me. I'm jammed up in airport lines a good bit and TSA checkpoints are the worst thing. Most of the time, the checkpoints aren't far from an exterior door or other unsecured area. The terrorists don't even have to hijack a plane anymore. Need to do like Israel does have several check points starting at outer perimeter. I've been saying stuff like that for some years now. We need to be doing like the Israelis, damn the feels. |
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Miker your feelings are well founded.
Our government has completely lost it with their "Compassion, Unity and Love" speech. They preach this crap while surrounded by armed guards. In the words of the idiot from NY, we need and deserve protection while laughing at the reporters question. The Ruling Elite matter, the rest of us don't. In the name of safety they make soft targets, government wants to expand so they created sky marshals to make you feel safe on an airplane. They could have made us even safer by allowing permit holders to carry while flying. |
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While I've got my tinfoil hat on......
I'm concerned that our administration's reluctance to admit to terrorist acts like Orlando will push them to new extremes. In other words, since we refuse to acknowledge them, they'll do something where there is no question. Today, a single terrorist shoots a bunch of people and suicides himself and we end up with politicians dancing around the semantics of hate crime. What if a few terrorists take over a school and broadcast terror messages for 3 days before committing an atrocity. Think about the Beslan school siege. |