Posted: 10/24/2014 1:12:18 PM EDT
| Going to the gun show at the Big E this weekend. First time I've ever been there. What's the rules for ccwing? |
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I believe its a no-no. But I haven't been to that one in years. So I could be wrong. Hey, Steve. How's it going? I'm fairly certain there are no laws against it and, lacking metal detectors or a pat down, how would they know you're carrying? I suppose they could ask you to leave if they found out (you know, their venue, their rules). Went to the Northeast Gun Shows web site and nothing is mentioned about no carry, nor does the Big E site say anything that I could find. I'd like to hear from someone who has run into this before. |
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Hey, Steve. How's it going? I'm fairly certain there are no laws against it and, lacking metal detectors or a pat down, how would they know you're carrying? I suppose they could ask you to leave if they found out (you know, their venue, their rules). Went to the Northeast Gun Shows web site and nothing is mentioned about no carry, nor does the Big E site say anything that I could find. I'd like to hear from someone who has run into this before. Quoted:
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I believe its a no-no. But I haven't been to that one in years. So I could be wrong. Hey, Steve. How's it going? I'm fairly certain there are no laws against it and, lacking metal detectors or a pat down, how would they know you're carrying? I suppose they could ask you to leave if they found out (you know, their venue, their rules). Went to the Northeast Gun Shows web site and nothing is mentioned about no carry, nor does the Big E site say anything that I could find. I'd like to hear from someone who has run into this before. If you're carrying, they want you to present it to them for zip tying, just as if you were carrying it to sell. As was said however, there is no pat down and no metal detectors or wands, and I haven't seen any "No Firearms" signs; even the Big E itself didn't have any that I saw, or metal detectors, pat downs, etc. earlier this year. |
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If you're carrying, they want you to present it to them for zip tying, just as if you were carrying it to sell. As was said however, there is no pat down and no metal detectors or wands, and I haven't seen any "No Firearms" signs; even the Big E itself didn't have any that I saw, or metal detectors, pat downs, etc. earlier this year. Quoted:
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I believe its a no-no. But I haven't been to that one in years. So I could be wrong. Hey, Steve. How's it going? I'm fairly certain there are no laws against it and, lacking metal detectors or a pat down, how would they know you're carrying? I suppose they could ask you to leave if they found out (you know, their venue, their rules). Went to the Northeast Gun Shows web site and nothing is mentioned about no carry, nor does the Big E site say anything that I could find. I'd like to hear from someone who has run into this before. If you're carrying, they want you to present it to them for zip tying, just as if you were carrying it to sell. As was said however, there is no pat down and no metal detectors or wands, and I haven't seen any "No Firearms" signs; even the Big E itself didn't have any that I saw, or metal detectors, pat downs, etc. earlier this year. Just got back from the fun show. Bought myself an AR and a Lone Wolf conversion barrel that will allow me to shoot 40 S&W in my Glock 20 along with the last 4 boxes of 10mm ammo left in the ammo tent. Noticed signs on the ticket booth stating all firearms and ammo needed to be surrendered at the door and local cops were there to take them. I got the impression it was voluntary but, if found out, you would most likely be asked to leave. I didn't want that so I turned in my mag and ammo. They actually let me keep my pistol. All in all an excellent day. 
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You had to read the signs more carefully.
The cops at the door weren't taking your firearms, they were verifying they were unloaded and putting a zip tie on them. After a drunk (they serve beer at the show, brilliant, huh?) became angry when a dealer wouldn't sell him a shotgun he was looking at because of his intoxicated state, he jacked a live 12ga shell into the chamber and walked away from the table. The next person who picked the shotgun up didn't check to ensure it was he loaded (another genius) and pulled the trigger. Thankfully it was pointed at the ceiling. Ever since that incident, all firearms for sale inside at tables must have zip ties installed on the actions, any firearms being carried into the show must be inspected at the door by the LEOs there and zip ties installed, and if you have ammo, it's held there until you return for it. If you are caught with a loaded firearm inside the building, you will be charged with "Criminal Trespass" (Ch266 Sec120 if you want to look it up). There are signs at the ticket windows and every door going inside. It's hard to believe you didn't see them. It's MA. If you were charged with Criminal Trespass for carrying a loaded handgun at a gunshow, I can almost guarantee your CLEO would pull your LTC as an "Unsuitable Person". |
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You had to read the signs more carefully. The cops at the door weren't taking your firearms, they were verifying they were unloaded and putting a zip tie on them. After a drunk (they serve beer at the show, brilliant, huh?) became angry when a dealer wouldn't sell him a shotgun he was looking at because of his intoxicated state, he jacked a live 12ga shell into the chamber and walked away from the table. The next person who picked the shotgun up didn't check to ensure it was he loaded (another genius) and pulled the trigger. Thankfully it was pointed at the ceiling. Ever since that incident, all firearms for sale inside at tables must have zip ties installed on the actions, any firearms being carried into the show must be inspected at the door by the LEOs there and zip ties installed, and if you have ammo, it's held there until you return for it. If you are caught with a loaded firearm inside the building, you will be charged with "Criminal Trespass" (Ch266 Sec120 if you want to look it up). There are signs at the ticket windows and every door going inside. It's hard to believe you didn't see them. It's MA. If you were charged with Criminal Trespass for carrying a loaded handgun at a gunshow, I can almost guarantee your CLEO would pull your LTC as an "Unsuitable Person". Uuummm, did you even read the 2nd paragraph I typed above. No offense intended, but, I think I said essentially the same thing. I noticed the signs, they took my ammo, let me keep my pistol. You are correct though, I did not scrutinize the sign that closely and I appreciate you pointing out that I, if discovered, could have been charged with a crime. I'm glad I did what I did. |
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Uuummm, did you even read the 2nd paragraph I typed above. No offense intended, but, I think I said essentially the same thing. I noticed the signs, they took my ammo, let me keep my pistol. You are correct though, I did not scrutinize the sign that closely and I appreciate you pointing out that I, if discovered, could have been charged with a crime. I'm glad I did what I did. Quoted:
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You had to read the signs more carefully. The cops at the door weren't taking your firearms, they were verifying they were unloaded and putting a zip tie on them. After a drunk (they serve beer at the show, brilliant, huh?) became angry when a dealer wouldn't sell him a shotgun he was looking at because of his intoxicated state, he jacked a live 12ga shell into the chamber and walked away from the table. The next person who picked the shotgun up didn't check to ensure it was he loaded (another genius) and pulled the trigger. Thankfully it was pointed at the ceiling. Ever since that incident, all firearms for sale inside at tables must have zip ties installed on the actions, any firearms being carried into the show must be inspected at the door by the LEOs there and zip ties installed, and if you have ammo, it's held there until you return for it. If you are caught with a loaded firearm inside the building, you will be charged with "Criminal Trespass" (Ch266 Sec120 if you want to look it up). There are signs at the ticket windows and every door going inside. It's hard to believe you didn't see them. It's MA. If you were charged with Criminal Trespass for carrying a loaded handgun at a gunshow, I can almost guarantee your CLEO would pull your LTC as an "Unsuitable Person". Uuummm, did you even read the 2nd paragraph I typed above. No offense intended, but, I think I said essentially the same thing. I noticed the signs, they took my ammo, let me keep my pistol. You are correct though, I did not scrutinize the sign that closely and I appreciate you pointing out that I, if discovered, could have been charged with a crime. I'm glad I did what I did. Sorry, it was late and all I missed some of what you typed. I saw that you posted they were seizing ammo and guns at the door, it was voluntary and if discovered you would just be asked to leave. Going back and rereading after a good night's sleep I saw what you did, but I wanted to make the Criminal Trespass issue clear to anyone who goes to the show. I don't want anyone to get jammed up. |
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Sorry, it was late and all I missed some of what you typed. I saw that you posted they were seizing ammo and guns at the door, it was voluntary and if discovered you would just be asked to leave. Going back and rereading after a good night's sleep I saw what you did, but I wanted to make the Criminal Trespass issue clear to anyone who goes to the show. I don't want anyone to get jammed up. Quoted:
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You had to read the signs more carefully. The cops at the door weren't taking your firearms, they were verifying they were unloaded and putting a zip tie on them. After a drunk (they serve beer at the show, brilliant, huh?) became angry when a dealer wouldn't sell him a shotgun he was looking at because of his intoxicated state, he jacked a live 12ga shell into the chamber and walked away from the table. The next person who picked the shotgun up didn't check to ensure it was he loaded (another genius) and pulled the trigger. Thankfully it was pointed at the ceiling. Ever since that incident, all firearms for sale inside at tables must have zip ties installed on the actions, any firearms being carried into the show must be inspected at the door by the LEOs there and zip ties installed, and if you have ammo, it's held there until you return for it. If you are caught with a loaded firearm inside the building, you will be charged with "Criminal Trespass" (Ch266 Sec120 if you want to look it up). There are signs at the ticket windows and every door going inside. It's hard to believe you didn't see them. It's MA. If you were charged with Criminal Trespass for carrying a loaded handgun at a gunshow, I can almost guarantee your CLEO would pull your LTC as an "Unsuitable Person". Uuummm, did you even read the 2nd paragraph I typed above. No offense intended, but, I think I said essentially the same thing. I noticed the signs, they took my ammo, let me keep my pistol. You are correct though, I did not scrutinize the sign that closely and I appreciate you pointing out that I, if discovered, could have been charged with a crime. I'm glad I did what I did. Sorry, it was late and all I missed some of what you typed. I saw that you posted they were seizing ammo and guns at the door, it was voluntary and if discovered you would just be asked to leave. Going back and rereading after a good night's sleep I saw what you did, but I wanted to make the Criminal Trespass issue clear to anyone who goes to the show. I don't want anyone to get jammed up. No problem. To many times I've seen people post without fully reading and understanding what was typed earlier. It's frustrating and makes the respondent seem like he/she doesn't really "get it", if you know what I'm driving at. 
By the way. One other thing I wanted to point out. While I was there on Sunday, from 0900 until noon, the alcohol vending area (near door #7) was not in operation. Maybe they smartened up on that one also. |
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No problem. To many times I've seen people post without fully reading and understanding what was typed earlier. It's frustrating and makes the respondent seem like he/she doesn't really "get it", if you know what I'm driving at.
By the way. One other thing I wanted to point out. While I was there on Sunday, from 0900 until noon, the alcohol vending area (near door #7) was not in operation. Maybe they smartened up on that one also. Quoted:
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You had to read the signs more carefully. The cops at the door weren't taking your firearms, they were verifying they were unloaded and putting a zip tie on them. After a drunk (they serve beer at the show, brilliant, huh?) became angry when a dealer wouldn't sell him a shotgun he was looking at because of his intoxicated state, he jacked a live 12ga shell into the chamber and walked away from the table. The next person who picked the shotgun up didn't check to ensure it was he loaded (another genius) and pulled the trigger. Thankfully it was pointed at the ceiling. Ever since that incident, all firearms for sale inside at tables must have zip ties installed on the actions, any firearms being carried into the show must be inspected at the door by the LEOs there and zip ties installed, and if you have ammo, it's held there until you return for it. If you are caught with a loaded firearm inside the building, you will be charged with "Criminal Trespass" (Ch266 Sec120 if you want to look it up). There are signs at the ticket windows and every door going inside. It's hard to believe you didn't see them. It's MA. If you were charged with Criminal Trespass for carrying a loaded handgun at a gunshow, I can almost guarantee your CLEO would pull your LTC as an "Unsuitable Person". Uuummm, did you even read the 2nd paragraph I typed above. No offense intended, but, I think I said essentially the same thing. I noticed the signs, they took my ammo, let me keep my pistol. You are correct though, I did not scrutinize the sign that closely and I appreciate you pointing out that I, if discovered, could have been charged with a crime. I'm glad I did what I did. Sorry, it was late and all I missed some of what you typed. I saw that you posted they were seizing ammo and guns at the door, it was voluntary and if discovered you would just be asked to leave. Going back and rereading after a good night's sleep I saw what you did, but I wanted to make the Criminal Trespass issue clear to anyone who goes to the show. I don't want anyone to get jammed up. No problem. To many times I've seen people post without fully reading and understanding what was typed earlier. It's frustrating and makes the respondent seem like he/she doesn't really "get it", if you know what I'm driving at.
By the way. One other thing I wanted to point out. While I was there on Sunday, from 0900 until noon, the alcohol vending area (near door #7) was not in operation. Maybe they smartened up on that one also. Even if I missed the fact that you turned in your ammo and zip tied your pistol, you did somehow miss all the signs saying you will be charged with Criminal Trespass if you bring ammo into the show. Yes I missed part of a post but you missed at least four signs you walked past. Since it wasn't mentioned in your posts, I wanted to inform everyone else who may go to the show in the future so they don't miss it and think it was "voluntary" like you did. It would really suck to be deprived of your right to own and carry a firearm in MA because someone missed a sign and thought something was voluntary that wasn't! |
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IIRC, it is illegal to serve alcohol before noon on Sundays, old Blue Laws.
Charging someone with criminal trespass based on a sign in MA isn't likely to be successful. I am unaware of any PD that will press those charges unless the police order the person to leave and they refuse. This isn't to say that it is impossible, but I've had that discussion with police in a few jurisdictions before to see if they would arrest based on a sign or based on a person in charge ordering someone to leave (and the person refused) and in every case they said no. I've served numerous "letters of disinvite" for clients . . . this being a legal document telling the person that they will be arrested for criminal trespass if seen on the property in the future . . . it also requires that I serve a copy to the PD AND my Return Affidavit swearing that I served the named person (so they are on written notice of their status). The only other option that I have been told that police will act upon is if the police officer orders you to leave and you refuse. Back to the Big E . . . IIRC (it's been years since I went to a gun show there) they have W. Springfield POs on duty so it merely requires someone there to get an officer to accompany them to order you to leave . . . if you refuse, you can and likely will be arrested and prosecuted. As for losing your rights to possess any weapons in MA . . . you have NO RIGHTS in MA, only privileges and if your issuing authority doesn't like the color you dyed your hair he can suspend/revoke your LTC! It really is that bad. |