Posted: 5/16/2012 10:33:51 AM EDT
| Hey all, I'm new to the board and just getting the hang of moving through things. Nice to know there's a section just for us poor saps in Jersey. My question is, my usual FFL for long Arms is Millers in DE. However, when I was talking to them about building an AR he said he couldn't just sell me the stripped lower because there would be no way to prove that he sold me an NJ legal weapon. If I went to a Jersey FFL had them order me the lower that I want, and gave them a pinned M4 stock off of my Stag just to use to sell it as a rifle with a fixed stock, would that be ok then? I really want to start my first build from scratch but not to sure how to go about it. Any help would be awesome. |
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The last one I bought, the dealer wouldn't let it go without a stock on it. I had to bring my own A2 stock in so that they could put it on and let me leave with it. I walked outside and took it off just on principle and through the parts in my trunk.  So, they wouldn't sell you the perfectly-legal-to-do-so stripped lower, but they WOULD engage in the manufacturing of a firearm to do so? Hope they had a type 7 FFL on-hand, otherwise, they broke federal law. 
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The last one I bought, the dealer wouldn't let it go without a stock on it. I had to bring my own A2 stock in so that they could put it on and let me leave with it. I walked outside and took it off just on principle and through the parts in my trunk. This sounds much more similar to what I was told. Something to the effect of without the stock the state can argue that it's a pistol. |
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The last one I bought, the dealer wouldn't let it go without a stock on it. I had to bring my own A2 stock in so that they could put it on and let me leave with it. I walked outside and took it off just on principle and through the parts in my trunk. So, they wouldn't sell you the perfectly-legal-to-do-so stripped lower, but they WOULD engage in the manufacturing of a firearm to do so? Hope they had a type 7 FFL on-hand, otherwise, they broke federal law.
Is it really manufacturing though??? If the lower is what's being registered with the state, then that's considered the firearm, even though it needs other parts to operate. So putting the stock on it would technically just be modifying a product which any dealer can do or at the msot, gunsmithing. I'm just talking if we're getting in to technical details here...then by the by adding a stock to a stripped lower is no different then a dealer taking a standard A2 rifle and replacing all the furniture before he/she puts it on the shelf. Or, like when I bought my stag from Delaware, it had a pinned comp but it was the adjustable m4 stock, so I brought him the pinned stock off of my NJ sold Bushy, he swapped em out and sold it to me. |
| Tom is correct, it's something called a federal excise tax when completing a firearm for *resale* (perfectly legal for individuals to do it for personal use). The varying amount of "knowledge" I mean, misinformation is comical. (I don't mean that to the forum members, I know we're all here to share and learn, but what that shop did and how sure they were about what they were doing, when in fact they were doing something else that actually WAS wrong. lol |
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Is it really manufacturing though??? If the lower is what's being registered with the state, then that's considered the firearm, even though it needs other parts to operate. So putting the stock on it would technically just be modifying a product which any dealer can do or at the msot, gunsmithing. The difference is subtle, but believe me, the ATF has no sense of humor when it comes to these things. Swapping a stock is gunsmithing, because the firearm started out as a rifle, and remains a rifle - same as swapping out any other part. Installing a stock onto what was a stripped receiver is manufacturing, because you're taking an "other" firearm and turning it in to a rifle. |
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Is it really manufacturing though??? If the lower is what's being registered with the state, then that's considered the firearm, even though it needs other parts to operate. So putting the stock on it would technically just be modifying a product which any dealer can do or at the msot, gunsmithing. The difference is subtle, but believe me, the ATF has no sense of humor when it comes to these things. Swapping a stock is gunsmithing, because the firearm started out as a rifle, and remains a rifle - same as swapping out any other part. Installing a stock onto what was a stripped receiver is manufacturing, because you're taking an "other" firearm and turning it in to a rifle. So the right answer is, a NJ FFL can order and sell me a stripped lower correct? |
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Is it really manufacturing though??? If the lower is what's being registered with the state, then that's considered the firearm, even though it needs other parts to operate. So putting the stock on it would technically just be modifying a product which any dealer can do or at the msot, gunsmithing. The difference is subtle, but believe me, the ATF has no sense of humor when it comes to these things. Swapping a stock is gunsmithing, because the firearm started out as a rifle, and remains a rifle - same as swapping out any other part. Installing a stock onto what was a stripped receiver is manufacturing, because you're taking an "other" firearm and turning it in to a rifle. So the right answer is, a NJ FFL can order and sell me a stripped lower correct? Correct |
