Posted: 9/23/2011 5:48:01 AM EDT
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My friend wants to borrow my AK to go shooting this weekend, but I cannot go with him. I searched the permanent statutes and I am 95% confident that we are good to go. I just wanted to check to be sure there wasn’t anything I missed. Here is our interpretation:
NJ allows someone to lend a firearm so long as: (1) rifle/shotgun only, (2) the lender has positive knowledge that the borrower possesses a valid NJFPID, and (3) the rifle is being borrowed for purposes of legal use. The AK is a rifle and is compliant. I have positive knowledge that my friend possesses a valid NJFPID. He is borrowing for the mutually agreed purpose of target practice at a licensed ranged. Good to go, right? Isn’t it disgusting that this State has me so paranoid that I am even worried about this. 
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| Whether its legal or not, I would not lend any of my firearms to ANYONE. Not even my father, mother, wife, let alone a friend. What if he accidentally discharges the AK and it hits someone. I know, worst case scenario, but it could happen. Now you're in deep $hit. Just a bad idea IMO. |
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I dont have any friends that I'd consider "lending" one of my guns to.
Family, yes. Friends are a no go for me. JM.02 Edit: My family is gun friendly and all are safe gun handlers. I know they wouldn't ask if it wasn't for a VERY good reason. Certainly not just to be joe cool at the range. |
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My friend wants to borrow my AK to go shooting this weekend, but I cannot go with him. I searched the permanent statutes and I am 95% confident that we are good to go. I just wanted to check to be sure there wasn’t anything I missed. Here is our interpretation: What statute are you looking at? 2C:58-3.1 covers the temporary transfer of firearms, and seems to always require the owner of the firearm to be present. I agree with njJoniGuy... if the friend has an FID, do an actual transfer. That way, everything is on him, and nothing is on you. |
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This is not about someone wanting to be cool at the range. It is kind of a try-before-you-buy situation. A good friend of more than 12 years is thinking about buying an AK and wanted to put one through the paces. Neither of our ranges rent. We can’t sync our schedules to go together for at least 3 weeks. So, I wanted to tell him to just take it.
I know 2C:58-3.1 permits lending a firearm to someone at a place of legal use and requires the owner to be present. Reading it, its intent clearly is to allow individuals who may not have a FPID to rent and/or share guns while at ranges and on game-lands. There is nothing that says those are the only circumstances under which firearms may be borrowed. I guess the question boils down to whether or not the 2C:58-3.1 exception implies the law for cases not excepted. If borrowing constitutes a transfer, then 2C:58 certainly applies. If borrowing is just a circumstance pertaining to someone’s possession of a firearm of which they are not the owner, then only 2C:39-5 and 6 apply. Why does everything have to be so &^%$#@ complicated in this $%#^@& %$^#&@ State? This all seems so unreasonable. i.e.,
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I guess the question boils down to whether or not the 2C:58-3.1 exception implies the law for cases not excepted. If borrowing constitutes a transfer, then 2C:58 certainly applies. If borrowing is just a circumstance pertaining to someone’s possession of a firearm of which they are not the owner, then only 2C:39-5 and 6 apply. 2C:58-3b... it's a big statute, so I'll quickly paraphrase: "No person shall give, transfer, assign, or other dispose of, not receive or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, unless the receiver has an FID card, exhibits it to the seller/giver/donor, and fills out a certificate of eligibility" Bottom line - what you're looking to do is "transfer" your rifle to someone else. So, unless you fit into one of the exceptions spelled out in 2C:58-3.1, you need to comply with 2C:58-3b. Why does everything have to be so &^%$#@ complicated in this $%#^@& %$^#&@ State?
That's an easy one to answer.... because the politicians don't want ordinary citizens to possess arms. Because they can't outright ban their existence, they make it as difficult as possible to own them. |
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Looks like I am once again a dangerous criminal. 
I wonder if I am on some "watch list" being kept by the Statists who lurk in the shadows on this site. 
Thanks for all your advice. Looks like I have a good "excuse" to work in another trip to the range. 
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Looks like I am once again a dangerous criminal.
Geez! Next, you're going to tell us that you crossed the street in the middle of the block, you stepped on a grasshopper, and you watered your lawn after 8AM on a Tuesday. Will there be no end to your reign of terror?! 
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| You need to fill out a certificate of eligibility if you wanna play it safe and stay totally legal. In all honesty though you could probably get away with just letting him borrow it for a range day as long as he isnt trouble and is not legally disqualified from possessing or handle a firearm |
I can tell you what is NOT going to happen: two old guys who have been close friends for over 12 years are NOT going to sucker down and fill out paperwork to certify one another’s eligibility to borrow/lend a neutered NJ-compliant rifle. 
If we get a break in the rain, we will get up early on Sunday and head to the range together. New Jersey State Motto: “Liberty* and Prosperity.” *Restrictions apply. Void where prohibited. |
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I can tell you what is NOT going to happen: two old guys who have been close friends for over 12 years are NOT going to sucker down and fill out paperwork to certify one another’s eligibility to borrow/lend a neutered NJ-compliant rifle.
If we get a break in the rain, we will get up early on Sunday and head to the range together. New Jersey State Motto: “Liberty* and Prosperity.” *Restrictions apply. Void where prohibited. I feel the same way. FYI: If youre going to CJRPC, it'll be busy on Sunday. |
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I really don't know anbout you.
You drive around with evil, baby killing slugs in your truck. You teach a child to be responsible with a firearm. You want to loan a gun to a friend you obviously trust. I see GITMO in your near future. Watch the corn hole and good luck. |