Posted: 2/24/2010 9:56:39 AM EDT
| Satisfy my curiosity. Is there any dealers in South Jersey that sell magazines for AR's? I know there is a round capacity issue, so, where can I find legal mags? |
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http://www.alliedarmory.com/stuff/Magpul2010Catalog.pdf
On the 9th page. Not sure the release date. I think I remember seeing a chart of dates for Magpuls new products, and if I recall the 15 rounders are coming out in April. Arms n Ammo( PK90) might have some left if you cant wait, and Riflegear.com has them. |
| I believe it's a 20 rnd body. As far as being a problem here, none of pk's mags are a problem (except maybe to range officers with hard-ons for giving people grief). As long as you can't just flip a switch and make the capacity change, I think legally you're in the clear. And Triumph if you can point me to someone now who's selling 15 rnd pmags for a price where $20 seems like a rip off, I'd greatly appreciate it. |
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I believe it's a 20 rnd body. As far as being a problem here, none of pk's mags are a problem (except maybe to range officers with hard-ons for giving people grief). As long as you can't just flip a switch and make the capacity change, I think legally you're in the clear. And Triumph if you can point me to someone now who's selling 15 rnd pmags for a price where $20 seems like a rip off, I'd greatly appreciate it. I believe he was referring to the factory 15rd pmags, which are priced in the catalog and not yet available. The discussion on those specific mags led me to believe they use a molded follower that limits capacity by bottoming out. |
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I believe it's a 20 rnd body. As far as being a problem here, none of pk's mags are a problem (except maybe to range officers with hard-ons for giving people grief). As long as you can't just flip a switch and make the capacity change, I think legally you're in the clear. And Triumph if you can point me to someone now who's selling 15 rnd pmags for a price where $20 seems like a rip off, I'd greatly appreciate it. I believe he was referring to the factory 15rd pmags, which are priced in the catalog and not yet available. The discussion on those specific mags led me to believe they use a molded follower that limits capacity by bottoming out. Ah, my mistake |
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According to the product description from Magpul, the 5, 10, and 15 round PMags will use a "capacity-limiting lock plate that can be set by the user". This does not sound like it is a permanent modification in the least. Has anyone gotten clarification just what level of "permanence" is required to be NJ legal for converted large cap magazines? I am asking because the following letter was recently brought to my attention:
http://www.anjrpc.org/stpolicemags.htm Is anyone aware of any case law or other information related to this topic? Is a rivet or blind roll pin, something that requires some shop tools to reverse, permanent enough? I'm just wondering what everyone's comfort level is on this topic. |
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According to the product description from Magpul, the 5, 10, and 15 round PMags will use a "capacity-limiting lock plate that can be set by the user". This does not sound like it is a permanent modification in the least. Has anyone gotten clarification just what level of "permanence" is required to be NJ legal for converted large cap magazines? I am asking because the following letter was recently brought to my attention: http://www.anjrpc.org/stpolicemags.htm Is anyone aware of any case law or other information related to this topic? Is a rivet or blind roll pin, something that requires some shop tools to reverse, permanent enough? I'm just wondering what everyone's comfort level is on this topic. Define permanent. 
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PK90 should have the 15 round mags, I believe they start life as 20 rounders & he converts them. Paul is out at the moment I was just down at his place on monday. He has something else in the works, but is waiting to see what the actual price on the magpuls are going to be. |
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According to the product description from Magpul, the 5, 10, and 15 round PMags will use a "capacity-limiting lock plate that can be set by the user". This does not sound like it is a permanent modification in the least. Has anyone gotten clarification just what level of "permanence" is required to be NJ legal for converted large cap magazines? I am asking because the following letter was recently brought to my attention: http://www.anjrpc.org/stpolicemags.htm Is anyone aware of any case law or other information related to this topic? Is a rivet or blind roll pin, something that requires some shop tools to reverse, permanent enough? I'm just wondering what everyone's comfort level is on this topic. to me if it can be reversed with some shop tools it's not permanent. using a lot of heavy duty epoxy on the base plate is permanent since there's no way to reverse it without destroying the mag...my two cents. |
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According to the product description from Magpul, the 5, 10, and 15 round PMags will use a "capacity-limiting lock plate that can be set by the user". This does not sound like it is a permanent modification in the least. Has anyone gotten clarification just what level of "permanence" is required to be NJ legal for converted large cap magazines? I am asking because the following letter was recently brought to my attention: http://www.anjrpc.org/stpolicemags.htm Is anyone aware of any case law or other information related to this topic? Is a rivet or blind roll pin, something that requires some shop tools to reverse, permanent enough? I'm just wondering what everyone's comfort level is on this topic. to me if it can be reversed with some shop tools it's not permanent. using a lot of heavy duty epoxy on the base plate is permanent since there's no way to reverse it without destroying the mag...my two cents. Problem is most epoxy I have tried will not bond permanently to the PMag plastics. I've been able to smack the floorplate against the workbench and break the bond and then get the floorplate off by hand. Pretty much any modification of any part can be reversed with "shop tools". Super glue works better, but is messy to work with. Again, my question is if there is any case law or anything else to go with other than this one letter that does not define permanent? I know some people have actually cut down the PMag body itself to make it shorter, that probably qualifies but I would like to know if there is something short of that that has been "approved". Also, does the letter supercede what is actually codified in the law itself? By what authority does a letter from the state police amend law passed by the state legislature? I guess it comes down to assessing risk and comfort level, but I would like some more legal backing. I may start a letter writing campaign to get clarification on some of these questions and will share the results here. |
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According to the product description from Magpul, the 5, 10, and 15 round PMags will use a "capacity-limiting lock plate that can be set by the user". This does not sound like it is a permanent modification in the least. Has anyone gotten clarification just what level of "permanence" is required to be NJ legal for converted large cap magazines? I am asking because the following letter was recently brought to my attention: http://www.anjrpc.org/stpolicemags.htm Is anyone aware of any case law or other information related to this topic? Is a rivet or blind roll pin, something that requires some shop tools to reverse, permanent enough? I'm just wondering what everyone's comfort level is on this topic. to me if it can be reversed with some shop tools it's not permanent. using a lot of heavy duty epoxy on the base plate is permanent since there's no way to reverse it without destroying the mag...my two cents. Problem is most epoxy I have tried will not bond permanently to the PMag plastics. I've been able to smack the floorplate against the workbench and break the bond and then get the floorplate off by hand. Pretty much any modification of any part can be reversed with "shop tools". Super glue works better, but is messy to work with. Again, my question is if there is any case law or anything else to go with other than this one letter that does not define permanent? I know some people have actually cut down the PMag body itself to make it shorter, that probably qualifies but I would like to know if there is something short of that that has been "approved". Also, does the letter supercede what is actually codified in the law itself? By what authority does a letter from the state police amend law passed by the state legislature? I guess it comes down to assessing risk and comfort level, but I would like some more legal backing. I may start a letter writing campaign to get clarification on some of these questions and will share the results here. Contacting the state police is a moot point. They will recite the law you already read then ask if you understand. I know this from experience. As we all know, when it comes to firearms and legality in NJ, the citizen acts at his own peril. 
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Tipps hardware in West Creek sells cut down P Mag 30's I have a few, they were 40.00 each I'm not sure but I think they still have them They use to sell ton's of them.The ones arms-n-ammo sold were only 20.00 and were 20,s pinned to allow 15. Be careful with the ones from Tips. The one I bought held 16 rounds. 
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