Posted: 3/13/2012 3:05:14 AM EDT
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I've been looking at the ACS (normal, not the new light version) and the UBR, I can't for the life of me figure out why the UBR is so much more expensive.
The length of pull on the UBR isn't as long, they both have "pockets" for batteries etc and the UBR is also heavier. Aside from the obvious differences in terms of looks and the fact the whole of the ACS stock moves back and fourth rather than just the underside of the UBR I just can't see where the extra money is going. If anyone here has experience of the two could you please explain? 
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The ACS fits onto your existing buffer tube, the UBR is a complete replacement for the stock/buffer tube assembly. The bottom of the UBR moves, so the bit that your cheek is against is solid, the ACS isn't so solid as it's on the exiting tube - some prefer one over the other either way, just down to personal preference. (I have 3x UBR, so guess which one I like!!) Ah I see, cheers for that  .
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them.
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me 
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong 
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong This I think, & I've found it to be a comfortable/repeatable head position. |
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I actually have an ACS on my .22 and fully understand what you mean about the cheek piece. CSR is on the cards for later in the year, holiday booking time is almost on us at work .
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong This I think, & I've found it to be a comfortable/repeatable head position. I've found the ACS to be very comfortable but repeatable head position...... I find that I sometimes have to shift my head about to get the right position which tells me either a. It's not setup correctly or b. it's not the ideal stock for me. |
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Quoted: Damn, I'm doing it wrong then...Quoted: Quoted: I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong  .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know. |
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.
All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Damn, I'm doing it wrong then...Quoted: Quoted: I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose  However, it does raise the question (for me anyway), what is the correct head position, and is it the same for all shooting positions? I've never subscribed to this nose on the handle doctrine, and just do what feels comfortable. Can someone edjumicate me ? |
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.
All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg2GVWHGKY
However, it does raise the question (for me anyway), what is the correct head position, and is it the same for all shooting positions? I've never subscribed to this nose on the handle doctrine, and just do what feels comfortable. Can someone edjumicate me ? I'd have thought it is primarily a consistency thing but with the added bonus of getting closer to the rear sight (bigger apertures are better for many). I suppose it could also be construed as a confidence thing; handling the weapon in a good dominant style. |
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Quoted: Well I get a full and consistent sight picture the way I do it, without the charging handle up my nose. I still don't get it?Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Damn, I'm doing it wrong then...Quoted: Quoted: I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg2GVWHGKYHowever, it does raise the question (for me anyway), what is the correct head position, and is it the same for all shooting positions? I've never subscribed to this nose on the handle doctrine, and just do what feels comfortable. Can someone edjumicate me ? I'd have thought it is primarily a consistency thing but with the added bonus of getting closer to the rear sight (bigger apertures are better for many). I suppose it could also be construed as a confidence thing; handling the weapon in a good dominant style. Found it........ It's for dumb fucks who can't keep the same head position without smashing their face into the same spot on the gun every time................
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Well I get a full and consistent sight picture the way I do it, without the charging handle up my nose. I still don't get it?
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.
All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg2GVWHGKY
However, it does raise the question (for me anyway), what is the correct head position, and is it the same for all shooting positions? I've never subscribed to this nose on the handle doctrine, and just do what feels comfortable. Can someone edjumicate me ? I'd have thought it is primarily a consistency thing but with the added bonus of getting closer to the rear sight (bigger apertures are better for many). I suppose it could also be construed as a confidence thing; handling the weapon in a good dominant style. Found it........ It's for dumb fucks who can't keep the same head position without smashing their face into the same spot on the gun every time................ The secret to shooting well is a repeatable consistent shooting position. Finding something that assists that, i.e. nose to charging handle will only help. That way, every time you shoulder the rifle it will be the same |
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Well I get a full and consistent sight picture the way I do it, without the charging handle up my nose. I still don't get it?
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.
All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg2GVWHGKY
However, it does raise the question (for me anyway), what is the correct head position, and is it the same for all shooting positions? I've never subscribed to this nose on the handle doctrine, and just do what feels comfortable. Can someone edjumicate me ? I'd have thought it is primarily a consistency thing but with the added bonus of getting closer to the rear sight (bigger apertures are better for many). I suppose it could also be construed as a confidence thing; handling the weapon in a good dominant style. Found it........ It's for dumb fucks who can't keep the same head position without smashing their face into the same spot on the gun every time................ Maybe more to do with iron sights than scopes. |
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Quoted: Thank you, but it doesn't have to be nose on the handle then, just something that keeps you consistent?Quoted: Quoted: Well I get a full and consistent sight picture the way I do it, without the charging handle up my nose. I still don't get it?Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Damn, I'm doing it wrong then...Quoted: Quoted: I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg2GVWHGKYHowever, it does raise the question (for me anyway), what is the correct head position, and is it the same for all shooting positions? I've never subscribed to this nose on the handle doctrine, and just do what feels comfortable. Can someone edjumicate me ? I'd have thought it is primarily a consistency thing but with the added bonus of getting closer to the rear sight (bigger apertures are better for many). I suppose it could also be construed as a confidence thing; handling the weapon in a good dominant style. Found it........ It's for dumb fucks who can't keep the same head position without smashing their face into the same spot on the gun every time................ The secret to shooting well is a repeatable consistent shooting position. Finding something that assists that, i.e. nose to charging handle will only help. That way, every time you shoulder the rifle it will be the same |
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Well I get a full and consistent sight picture the way I do it, without the charging handle up my nose. I still don't get it?
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.
All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg2GVWHGKY
However, it does raise the question (for me anyway), what is the correct head position, and is it the same for all shooting positions? I've never subscribed to this nose on the handle doctrine, and just do what feels comfortable. Can someone edjumicate me ? I'd have thought it is primarily a consistency thing but with the added bonus of getting closer to the rear sight (bigger apertures are better for many). I suppose it could also be construed as a confidence thing; handling the weapon in a good dominant style. Found it........ It's for dumb fucks who can't keep the same head position without smashing their face into the same spot on the gun every time................ Maybe more to do with iron sights than scopes. No, fundamentals still apply |
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Well I get a full and consistent sight picture the way I do it, without the charging handle up my nose. I still don't get it?
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.
All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg2GVWHGKY
However, it does raise the question (for me anyway), what is the correct head position, and is it the same for all shooting positions? I've never subscribed to this nose on the handle doctrine, and just do what feels comfortable. Can someone edjumicate me ? I'd have thought it is primarily a consistency thing but with the added bonus of getting closer to the rear sight (bigger apertures are better for many). I suppose it could also be construed as a confidence thing; handling the weapon in a good dominant style. Found it........ It's for dumb fucks who can't keep the same head position without smashing their face into the same spot on the gun every time................ Maybe more to do with iron sights than scopes. No, fundamentals still apply I agree but bear in mind inconsistent head position will cause bigger problems with iron sights than it will with a properly parallaxed scope (hence saying, "...more to do with..."). |
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Thank you, but it doesn't have to be nose on the handle then, just something that keeps you consistent?
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Well I get a full and consistent sight picture the way I do it, without the charging handle up my nose. I still don't get it?
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Damn, I'm doing it wrong then...Quoted:
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I have tried both and prefer the ACS. The battery compartments on each side give the cheekpiece a much wider profile/more surface contact area than the UBR, which I find far more comfortable, but you really need to try them. There's always a selection at the CSR matches. If you ask nicely, I dare say you would be allowed to try them. I've got 2 ACS - Works for me I would've thought that for prone shooting, the UBR would be better as your face would still be in contact with the cheekpiece portion of the stock, whereas with a ACS, which is more like any CAR stock, you're more likely to have your cheek resting on the buffer tube or part buffer tube/buttstock. I would've thought that if your cheek is resting completely on a CAR type stock that you're doing it wrong .....my cheek rests wholly on the stock not the tube, although admittedly right at the front end (you can see it BlackNight's latest video). On the other hand Mark, perhaps you're sticking your neck out too far....unlike you, I know.
All I will say is..........if you are fully on the buttstock and shoot with nose to charging handle, you must have a very big nose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg2GVWHGKY
However, it does raise the question (for me anyway), what is the correct head position, and is it the same for all shooting positions? I've never subscribed to this nose on the handle doctrine, and just do what feels comfortable. Can someone edjumicate me ? I'd have thought it is primarily a consistency thing but with the added bonus of getting closer to the rear sight (bigger apertures are better for many). I suppose it could also be construed as a confidence thing; handling the weapon in a good dominant style. Found it........ It's for dumb fucks who can't keep the same head position without smashing their face into the same spot on the gun every time................ The secret to shooting well is a repeatable consistent shooting position. Finding something that assists that, i.e. nose to charging handle will only help. That way, every time you shoulder the rifle it will be the same Maybe someone should invent the 'nose stop', which would provide a consistent head position. They'd probably get banned in CSR though!
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