Posted: 11/9/2011 3:48:13 AM EDT
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Picking up my CMMG in a couple of weeks time. I have a selection of red dots that I can fit, but I was wondering what sort of normal scopes people are fitting to theirs? I will probably keep the foresight on there so any mount advice would be welcome as well.
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What are you going to use it for? I have an Aimpoint Comp M3 on mine with Larue LT 129 mount, but am finding it too high I may get a Vortex 1-4 thingy but am still undecided Too be honest it will be for 2 gun comps and a the odd bit of plinking. I was thinking of a 1 - 4 zoom, but willing to take note of suggestions. |
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Quoted: If it's for '2 gun' go with a decent red-dot..  Do any of you guys have experience with the Vortex Sparc? I have seen some very positive reviews, but it seems a little bit too good to be true given that it's half the price the Aimpoint and includes a couple of mounting options
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If it's for '2 gun' go with a decent red-dot.. ..... but it seems a little bit too good to be true given that it's half the price the Aimpoint and includes a couple of mounting options I reckon it's half as good as an Aimpoint..and maybe a third as good as an Aimpoint on a Larue mount... 
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The SPARC dot is quoted as being 2MOA and the Aimpoint is 4MOA. Looking through the scopes together like binoculars I can tell you that the dots are roughly the same size (I would guess the SPARC is more like 4MOA). The Aimpoint has a slightly larger diameter to the glass and has slightly less green tint than the SPARC so it appears brighter to look through. It also has more power in the dot than the SPARC and finer brightness control. The SPARC has an NV setting that reduces the brightness of the dot to a very faint level, its an on off only button, no adjustment. For the money the SPARC is good value and comes with a spare battery and mount with spacer shims for high or low positioning. The screw in magnifier is a gimmick and is a bit like looking down a drinking straw. A guy I know has run one on a practical shotgun for a number of years with no problems at all, so it can take the recoil for sure. Bobski on here has one. Hope that helps. |
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What are you going to use it for? I have an Aimpoint Comp M3 on mine with Larue LT 129 mount, but am finding it too high I may get a Vortex 1-4 thingy but am still undecided Get the LT 152. Plan on fitting it and trying it tonight
I simply don't understand why LaRue and some of the other mount makers make their mounts so high. |
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Quoted: OK just fitted,.Quoted: Quoted: Got one right hereQuoted: What are you going to use it for? I have an Aimpoint Comp M3 on mine with Larue LT 129 mount, but am finding it too high I may get a Vortex 1-4 thingy but am still undecided Get the LT 152. Plan on fitting it and trying it tonight I simply don't understand why LaRue and some of the other mount makers make their mounts so high. If anything it might be a bit too low as it's not giving a true co-witness. Still I'll give it a go tonight. I had an ARMS mount before and that was just about the correct height
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What are you going to use it for? I have an Aimpoint Comp M3 on mine with Larue LT 129 mount, but am finding it too high I may get a Vortex 1-4 thingy but am still undecided Get the LT 152. Plan on fitting it and trying it tonight
I simply don't understand why LaRue and some of the other mount makers make their mounts so high. If anything it might be a bit too low as it's not giving a true co-witness. Still I'll give it a go tonight. I had an ARMS mount before and that was just about the correct height
I guess we're all built differently. Co-witnessing for me is bang on. On a slightly different but related topic do you guys have an update on when S&B will be delivering their 1-8 Short-Dot? |
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Quoted: Nope, the red dot is looking right into the FSB,Quoted: Quoted: OK just fitted,.Quoted: Quoted: Got one right hereQuoted: What are you going to use it for? I have an Aimpoint Comp M3 on mine with Larue LT 129 mount, but am finding it too high I may get a Vortex 1-4 thingy but am still undecided Get the LT 152. Plan on fitting it and trying it tonight I simply don't understand why LaRue and some of the other mount makers make their mounts so high. If anything it might be a bit too low as it's not giving a true co-witness. Still I'll give it a go tonight. I had an ARMS mount before and that was just about the correct height I guess we're all built differently. Co-witnessing for me is bang on. Anyhow I'm off to try it Back later |
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Anybody got thoughts on say a 4-16x50 mag for "Open Optic" class? Would be fine - the deciding factor would be using 4x for standing, but if you're happy with that then no problem. Depends on whether scope is FFP or SFP reticle. With a FFP scope the reticle is tiny at 4 power. I have severall FFP scopes and find that 6 power is OK at 100 yds - but then again my scores at 100 yds aren't great. 
I went for a 4-16 scope but to be honest for CSR I now think that 2.5-10 or 3-12 might have been a better choice (less weight, physically smaller, plenty enough mag for back at 500 yds etc) |
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Anybody got thoughts on say a 4-16x50 mag for "Open Optic" class? Would be fine - the deciding factor would be using 4x for standing, but if you're happy with that then no problem. Depends on whether scope is FFP or SFP reticle. With a FFP scope the reticle is tiny at 4 power. I have severall FFP scopes and find that 6 power is OK at 100 yds - but then again my scores at 100 yds aren't great.
I went for a 4-16 scope but to be honest for CSR I now think that 2.5-10 or 3-12 might have been a better choice (less weight, physically smaller, plenty enough mag for back at 500 yds etc) I think you missed Nick's point here, it's not reticle that's the problem it's the sight picture. With higher magnifications the field of view is usually so restricted that precious seconds are lost through finding the target in the sight picture and then making sure it's the right target. With lower magnifications you can usually see the target, both the targets either side and the lane number. You are quicker on to target. |
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Anybody got thoughts on say a 4-16x50 mag for "Open Optic" class? Would be fine - the deciding factor would be using 4x for standing, but if you're happy with that then no problem. Depends on whether scope is FFP or SFP reticle. With a FFP scope the reticle is tiny at 4 power. I have severall FFP scopes and find that 6 power is OK at 100 yds - but then again my scores at 100 yds aren't great.
I went for a 4-16 scope but to be honest for CSR I now think that 2.5-10 or 3-12 might have been a better choice (less weight, physically smaller, plenty enough mag for back at 500 yds etc) I think you missed Nick's point here, it's not reticle that's the problem it's the sight picture. With higher magnifications the field of view is usually so restricted that precious seconds are lost through finding the target in the sight picture and then making sure it's the right target. With lower magnifications you can usually see the target, both the targets either side and the lane number. You are quicker on to target. Yes, that is a fair point too. That said, I haven't found cross-shooting (or even coming up on the wrong target) an issue at 4 power. When I first started CSR/PR I was using a fixed 10 power scope. That was NOT good and certainly not recommended. As usual, best advice is to see what the regular shooters use, but I still think that 2.5-10 or 3-12 would seem the right way to go. I think Nick currently uses a 3-12 and I think I will stick with my 4-16. It is worth noting that quite a few 'practical optic' class shooters use 6-24 mag scopes or higher mag (Zeiss being quite popular) with pretty good results. There are also quite a few of those IOR scopes with the drain pipe width tube. Oh yes, and expect it to hurt when the time to pay for it comes... |
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Somewhere just around the 3 to 4 power is probably best, wide enough field of view and just enough magnification to help with finding the aiming point.
I have a 3.5-10 Leupold and 3.5 is perfectly fine to allow me to miss and know I have missed 
I have used 4.5x and that's not bad either but from standing ready alert I can get on target quicker with the 3.5 power. ETA and I own page 2 
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| I get on fine with my 4.5-14 Leupold. I mostly shoot Service Optic so it spends most of it's time on 4.5, although the magnification is handy for zeroing and checking spotting discs. I keep being tempted to put a decent 1-4 on, but I'd miss the useful higher settings. I don't have any problem with 4.5x at 100yds....... |