Posted: 6/17/2011 8:41:08 AM EDT
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Can I get an old 1911 and keep it at home? |
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if in .455 auto you can... Why not in .45ACP? I asked that at the same question at the section 7 display they had last October at Bisley. I was told .45acp is a redily avalible caliber so you cant have it as section 7.1 but you can as section 7 at a club. |
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if in .455 auto you can... Why not in .45ACP? You can. But you will not be allowed any ammo. Someone at our club has one at home. It is a real collectors piece, some rare commemorative edition that was owned by someone famous or something. Bog standard pistol may be harder due to the issue already stated about calibre availability. Load of bollocks if you ask me. |
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You could get yourself a piece of history!
Al Capone's gun for auction |
| I was under the impression that the ownership or possession of pistols in revolvers in UK was not permitted. So can you own, say a Glock or Sig 226. If so is it like the ownership of my Sterling L2A3 SMG (pay 5K for the gun, $200 for the Federal Tax, wait 4 months, must keep in a safe, shouldn't shoot in my back yard). |
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if in .455 auto you can... Why not in .45ACP? You can. But you will not be allowed any ammo. Someone at our club has one at home. It is a real collectors piece, some rare commemorative edition that was owned by someone famous or something. Bog standard pistol may be harder due to the issue already stated about calibre availability. Load of bollocks if you ask me. Well he definitely shouldn't have one at home! The firearms act clearly states that 7(1) applies to "all small firearms as defined by section 5(1)(aba) of the Firearms Act 1968 (small firearms) except those chambered for the following types of ammunition: .22" rimfire .25" Auto/6.35mm .25" – 20 .32" Auto/7.65mm .32" – 20 /.32" Winchester .32" Smith & Wesson Long 7.62mm Soviet Tokarev .38" 40 Winchester .380" Auto/9mm short 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9x19mm .38 Smith & Wesson .38" Special .380" British Service/.38-200 .44" Special .44" – 40 Winchester .45" Auto pistol .45" Long Colt" .45ACP = .45 Auto Pistol, therefore can NOT be kept on 7(1) - They can only be 7(3) or Section 5... No matter how rare or special they are. |
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if in .455 auto you can... Why not in .45ACP? You can. But you will not be allowed any ammo. Someone at our club has one at home. It is a real collectors piece, some rare commemorative edition that was owned by someone famous or something. Bog standard pistol may be harder due to the issue already stated about calibre availability. Load of bollocks if you ask me. Well he definitely shouldn't have one at home! The firearms act clearly states that 7(1) applies to "all small firearms as defined by section 5(1)(aba) of the Firearms Act 1968 (small firearms) except those chambered for the following types of ammunition: .22" rimfire .25" Auto/6.35mm .25" – 20 .32" Auto/7.65mm .32" – 20 /.32" Winchester .32" Smith & Wesson Long 7.62mm Soviet Tokarev .38" 40 Winchester .380" Auto/9mm short 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9x19mm .38 Smith & Wesson .38" Special .380" British Service/.38-200 .44" Special .44" – 40 Winchester .45" Auto pistol .45" Long Colt" .45ACP = .45 Auto Pistol, therefore can NOT be kept on 7(1) - They can only be 7(3) or Section 5... No matter how rare or special they are. There are exceptions. Just ask Funky |
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if in .455 auto you can... Why not in .45ACP? You can. But you will not be allowed any ammo. Someone at our club has one at home. It is a real collectors piece, some rare commemorative edition that was owned by someone famous or something. Bog standard pistol may be harder due to the issue already stated about calibre availability. Load of bollocks if you ask me. Well he definitely shouldn't have one at home! The firearms act clearly states that 7(1) applies to "all small firearms as defined by section 5(1)(aba) of the Firearms Act 1968 (small firearms) except those chambered for the following types of ammunition: .22" rimfire .25" Auto/6.35mm .25" – 20 .32" Auto/7.65mm .32" – 20 /.32" Winchester .32" Smith & Wesson Long 7.62mm Soviet Tokarev .38" 40 Winchester .380" Auto/9mm short 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9x19mm .38 Smith & Wesson .38" Special .380" British Service/.38-200 .44" Special .44" – 40 Winchester .45" Auto pistol .45" Long Colt" .45ACP = .45 Auto Pistol, therefore can NOT be kept on 7(1) - They can only be 7(3) or Section 5... No matter how rare or special they are. There are exceptions. Just ask Funky But the next bit of the guidance states: This is a statutory provision, and any gun chambered for the above types of ammunition cannot benefit from the provisions of section 7(1) and (2). The police have no power to waive the terms of the Statutory Instrument and allow firearms of these chamberings to be kept at home. Likewise, further calibres can only be declared “readily available” by the Secretary of State. Handguns covered by the list would include, for example, the Browning Models 1900, 1906 and 1910, the Colt 1917 in .45" ACP, the Mauser c96 in 9mm Parabellum, the P08 Luger in 9mm, and the Webley 1906 as the ammunition for these is readily available. However, guns of these types might benefit from the terms of section 7(3). |
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Quoted: Funky's is 7.3Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: if in .455 auto you can... Why not in .45ACP? You can. But you will not be allowed any ammo. Someone at our club has one at home. It is a real collectors piece, some rare commemorative edition that was owned by someone famous or something. Bog standard pistol may be harder due to the issue already stated about calibre availability. Load of bollocks if you ask me. Well he definitely shouldn't have one at home! The firearms act clearly states that 7(1) applies to "all small firearms as defined by section 5(1)(aba) of the Firearms Act 1968 (small firearms) except those chambered for the following types of ammunition: .22" rimfire .25" Auto/6.35mm .25" – 20 .32" Auto/7.65mm .32" – 20 /.32" Winchester .32" Smith & Wesson Long 7.62mm Soviet Tokarev .38" 40 Winchester .380" Auto/9mm short 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9x19mm .38 Smith & Wesson .38" Special .380" British Service/.38-200 .44" Special .44" – 40 Winchester .45" Auto pistol .45" Long Colt" .45ACP = .45 Auto Pistol, therefore can NOT be kept on 7(1) - They can only be 7(3) or Section 5... No matter how rare or special they are. There are exceptions. Just ask Funky |
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if in .455 auto you can... Why not in .45ACP? You can. But you will not be allowed any ammo. Someone at our club has one at home. It is a real collectors piece, some rare commemorative edition that was owned by someone famous or something. Bog standard pistol may be harder due to the issue already stated about calibre availability. Load of bollocks if you ask me. Well he definitely shouldn't have one at home! The firearms act clearly states that 7(1) applies to "all small firearms as defined by section 5(1)(aba) of the Firearms Act 1968 (small firearms) except those chambered for the following types of ammunition: .22" rimfire .25" Auto/6.35mm .25" – 20 .32" Auto/7.65mm .32" – 20 /.32" Winchester .32" Smith & Wesson Long 7.62mm Soviet Tokarev .38" 40 Winchester .380" Auto/9mm short 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9x19mm .38 Smith & Wesson .38" Special .380" British Service/.38-200 .44" Special .44" – 40 Winchester .45" Auto pistol .45" Long Colt" .45ACP = .45 Auto Pistol, therefore can NOT be kept on 7(1) - They can only be 7(3) or Section 5... No matter how rare or special they are. There are exceptions. Just ask Funky But the next bit of the guidance states: This is a statutory provision, and any gun chambered for the above types of ammunition cannot benefit from the provisions of section 7(1) and (2). The police have no power to waive the terms of the Statutory Instrument and allow firearms of these chamberings to be kept at home. Likewise, further calibres can only be declared “readily available” by the Secretary of State. Handguns covered by the list would include, for example, the Browning Models 1900, 1906 and 1910, the Colt 1917 in .45" ACP, the Mauser c96 in 9mm Parabellum, the P08 Luger in 9mm, and the Webley 1906 as the ammunition for these is readily available. However, guns of these types might benefit from the terms of section 7(3). He may be an agent for a Section 5 dealer....... if such a thing exists. Either that or he is a S5 Dealer. Not sure of the full facts to be honest Tyga, but he does have one........in fact he has a few, most of which are kept at the club. |
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Quoted: There's a nice .455 1911 in holts catalogue, Or you could get one for humane dispatch...... I was looking at Holts Don't know much about .455 Care to elaborate? How do you go about applying for 7.1? I'm doing my renewal and just fancy something a little different I did see a couple of nice Artillery Lugers in Holts too  http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp/searchresults.asp?st=U&view2=on&subs_value=29 There's an M16 there too for £800-1200, the Yanks would have a shit fit at that price  |
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.455 Webley Auto Mk I: Produced from 1913 to about the middle of WWII. This is a semi-rimmed cartridge for the Webley & Scott Self Loading pistols, along with some M1911 pistols purchase by the Royal Navy. The cartridge headspaces on the rim and was loaded with a 224 grain cupro-nickel jacketed bullet with a muzzle velocity of 700 feet per second
Yeah artillery Lugers are sweet, and that m16 is really really old, wonder what it's story is |
I fancy this Full Details for Lot 3785 Sale S1055 Lot 3785 ** A 9mm (PARA) FULLY-AUTOMATIC SUB-MACHINEGUN SIGNED P.O.F., MODEL 'H&K MP5K' serial no. A11800, recent, with 5in. barrel, protected fore-sight, drum-style rear-sight, blacked receiver with selector switch on the left hand side for safe, semi-automatic and fully-automatic fire modes, black 'abs' furniture including forward hand-grip, no provision for shoulder-stock, detachable magazine, the whole appearing little used Estimate £900-1,200 S5 |
 Full Details for Lot 1083 Sale A1054 Lot 1083 ** IMI, ISRAEL, A 9mm(PARA) SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL MODEL 'UZI DEFENDER', serial no. 61345, circa 1980, with 4 3/4in. barrel (proved 2011), fixed receiver with internal 'overslung' bolt, adjustable sights, black plastic grip with grip-safety, 20-round magazine the whole appearing little used, TOGETHER WITH a 'cordura' shoulder holster and harness complete with two further 32-round spare magazines Estimate £100-200 S5 |
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Full Details for Lot 3785Sale S1055 Lot 3785
** A 9mm (PARA) FULLY-AUTOMATIC SUB-MACHINEGUN SIGNED P.O.F., MODEL 'H&K MP5K' serial no. A11800, recent, with 5in. barrel, protected fore-sight, drum-style rear-sight, blacked receiver with selector switch on the left hand side for safe, semi-automatic and fully-automatic fire modes, black 'abs' furniture including forward hand-grip, no provision for shoulder-stock, detachable magazine, the whole appearing little used
Estimate £900-1,200 S5 I think they actually have two in! All the fun things go in two of those little armoury cages, but they don't lock them and just prevent access to the room itself, so unfortunately not a lot is visible. An open slot for something under Section.7 will apparently get you in to view the stuff. |
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if in .455 auto you can... Why not in .45ACP? You can. But you will not be allowed any ammo. Someone at our club has one at home. It is a real collectors piece, some rare commemorative edition that was owned by someone famous or something. Bog standard pistol may be harder due to the issue already stated about calibre availability. Load of bollocks if you ask me. Well he definitely shouldn't have one at home! The firearms act clearly states that 7(1) applies to "all small firearms as defined by section 5(1)(aba) of the Firearms Act 1968 (small firearms) except those chambered for the following types of ammunition: .22" rimfire .25" Auto/6.35mm .25" – 20 .32" Auto/7.65mm .32" – 20 /.32" Winchester .32" Smith & Wesson Long 7.62mm Soviet Tokarev .38" 40 Winchester .380" Auto/9mm short 9mm Luger/Parabellum/9x19mm .38 Smith & Wesson .38" Special .380" British Service/.38-200 .44" Special .44" – 40 Winchester .45" Auto pistol .45" Long Colt" .45ACP = .45 Auto Pistol, therefore can NOT be kept on 7(1) - They can only be 7(3) or Section 5... No matter how rare or special they are. Is .451 legal? I don't see 9mm Makarov, 357 Magnum, 44 Magnum, 500 S&W Magnum in that list. |
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Quoted: I fancy this ** A 9mm (PARA) FULLY-AUTOMATIC SUB-MACHINEGUN SIGNED P.O.F., MODEL 'H&K MP5K' serial no. A11800 I used to trawl the various section 5 (and other) firearm dealer websites, out of curiosity, and I was amazed at just how many real-deal modern (let's say from the last 50 years to the present day) pistols, rifles, and SMGs are available, so long as you have the right licence. |
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Where are these pistols and revolvers coming from? Looking at some of them they could very easily be those confiscated by HMG in 1997. Most of them are still in storage ! Most? Not all? Looks a little suspect especially things like the Korth, the FAS and some of the Pythons although the could be the remnants of S5 dealer stock. |
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from the add, Sale A1054 Lot 1004 ** COLT, A .45 (ACP) SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL MODEL '1911A1', serial no. U44G, circa 1940, with 5in. barrel (proved 2011), slide with patent dates to 1913, frame re-serial numbered (original number erased), brown chequered plastic grips, traces of phosphated finish Estimate £200-300  |