[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Sniper match (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 1/14/2011 3:21:23 AM EDT
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Working on a sniper match for Bisley.
I've been given 6th August provisionally and hope to run 8 stages from 200-1100 yds. 3 classes not dissimilar to the one we had before that Afghan Paul designed. It'll be a chance to get the big sticks out Hopefully it'll be fun |
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Working on a sniper match for Bisley. I've been given 6th August provisionally and hope to run 8 stages from 200-1100 yds. 3 classes not dissimilar to the one we had before that Afghan Paul designed. It'll be a chance to get the big sticks out Hopefully it'll be fun I'm in :D |
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sounds good..... will need to book a date in the diary. When's the CSR imperial by the way? If I f**kin' knew that I f**kin' woul've f**kin' put it in the f**kin' calendar post  Well I f**kin' think the f**kin' calendar is f**kin' good. I've already f**kin' noted a f**kin' event I couldn't f**kin' find. F**kin' thanks Mark. F**k. 
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Excellent Mark...count me in. Nice to see it being organised on a CERTIFIED range too. It is however NOT certified for .338LM...  It is, the military use them there all the time, just the nra says no, cos we're not grown up enough 
the closest gallery range for .338 is warminster for civvie clubs to use, but bit of a strange setup, point go out to 900 yds, then one at 900m |
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Excellent Mark...count me in. Nice to see it being organised on a CERTIFIED range too. It is however NOT certified for .338LM... It is, the military use them there all the time, just the nra says no, cos we're not grown up enough
the closest gallery range for .338 is warminster for civvie clubs to use, but bit of a strange setup, point go out to 900 yds, then one at 900m According to the dear ol' NRA, the military are now allowed to use them at Bisley again due to "operational requirements"... 
What about Lydd? |
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Excellent Mark...count me in. Nice to see it being organised on a CERTIFIED range too. It is however NOT certified for .338LM... It is, the military use them there all the time, just the nra says no, cos we're not grown up enough
Only out of "operational necessity" according to the NRA Minutes... |
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Excellent Mark...count me in. Nice to see it being organised on a CERTIFIED range too. It is however NOT certified for .338LM... It is, the military use them there all the time, just the nra says no, cos we're not grown up enough
Only out of "operational necessity" according to the NRA Minutes... Like I say, we're not grown up enough, Even though I can rebarrel my .338lm as a .300lap mag Use the same cases necked down, same amount of powder, just shoot .30cal 240 grn instead of .338 250 grn And it's all good, go figure eh? |
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Lets cut the crap about "operational neccessity shall we chaps. The military were caught zeroing .338,s on century during the ban.
The whole 338 thing is a joke, and its time it was sorted out properly. I shoot a .338 by the way. Makes no difference, i have a 6.5 x 47 that is good enough for this match.
Im looking forward to this immensly. 
Will there be beer ?.....and curry ?
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Lets cut the crap about "operational neccessity shall we chaps. The military were caught zeroing .338,s on century during the ban. The whole 338 thing is a joke, and its time it was sorted out properly. I shoot a .338 by the way. Makes no difference, i have a 6.5 x 47 that is good enough for this match.
Im looking forward to this immensly.
Will there be beer ?.....and curry ? Wrong, I think. The military have never been banned shooting .338LM they are allowed to shoot it on many ranges where Landmac and the DTE have imposed restrictions on civilians. Reason, the military personnel shooting .338LM have undergone prescribed training on that weapon system and progress through a series of tests before shooting at long range. The RDA for Bisley adjoins the Pirbright Complex RDA and the overlap, I was suprised when I signed for Trevol in Cornwall to find .338LM allowed and the explaination given was as above. |
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Lets cut the crap about "operational neccessity shall we chaps. The military were caught zeroing .338,s on century during the ban. The whole 338 thing is a joke, and its time it was sorted out properly. I shoot a .338 by the way. Makes no difference, i have a 6.5 x 47 that is good enough for this match.
Im looking forward to this immensly.
Will there be beer ?.....and curry ? Wrong, I think. The military have never been banned shooting .338LM they are allowed to shoot it on many ranges where Landmac and the DTE have imposed restrictions on civilians. Reason, the military personnel shooting .338LM have undergone prescribed training on that weapon system and progress through a series of tests before shooting at long range. The RDA for Bisley adjoins the Pirbright Complex RDA and the overlap, I was suprised when I signed for Trevol in Cornwall to find .338LM allowed and the explaination given was as above. from the bisley range and safety regs: .338” calibre HME rifles may not be used on any of the ranges due to revised Range Danger Area and Air Danger Height requirements which exceed the available range safety template and air danger height available. so take that as you will 
unless the military bullets arent allowed to go that high
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Excellent Mark...count me in. Nice to see it being organised on a CERTIFIED range too. It is however NOT certified for .338LM... It is, the military use them there all the time, just the nra says no, cos we're not grown up enough
the closest gallery range for .338 is warminster for civvie clubs to use, but bit of a strange setup, point go out to 900 yds, then one at 900m According to the dear ol' NRA, the military are now allowed to use them at Bisley again due to "operational requirements"...
What about Lydd? Yep, Serial 45 at Lydd is cleared up to 50 cal but it has to be pre-arranged as the range boat has to go out. If the range boat isn't out it's everything upto 30 cal. |
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Lets cut the crap about "operational neccessity shall we chaps. The military were caught zeroing .338,s on century during the ban. The whole 338 thing is a joke, and its time it was sorted out properly. I shoot a .338 by the way. Makes no difference, i have a 6.5 x 47 that is good enough for this match.
Im looking forward to this immensly.
Will there be beer ?.....and curry ? Wrong, I think. The military have never been banned shooting .338LM they are allowed to shoot it on many ranges where Landmac and the DTE have imposed restrictions on civilians. Reason, the military personnel shooting .338LM have undergone prescribed training on that weapon system and progress through a series of tests before shooting at long range. The RDA for Bisley adjoins the Pirbright Complex RDA and the overlap, I was suprised when I signed for Trevol in Cornwall to find .338LM allowed and the explaination given was as above. from the bisley range and safety regs: .338” calibre HME rifles may not be used on any of the ranges due to revised Range Danger Area and Air Danger Height requirements which exceed the available range safety template and air danger height available. so take that as you will
unless the military bullets arent allowed to go that high That just goes to show, Hutch what a load of bollocks this is doesn,t it ? Its fine for a 20 year old squaddie to use a .338 at bisley, but not a guy who has been shooting almost 40 years, and who holds a british record with a .338 . What the hell is the whole point of the HME bullshit then ? If the safety template doesn,t cover the .338, then absolutely no one should be using one there. This is quite obviously a lie. If the safety template genuinly didn,t allow the calibre, then the army would not be using it, as they would hae no insurance cover. Simple. Its just a load of bollocks, and lies , and a lot more to do with the NRA and other associated clubs/disciplines , not liking the .338.....because basically past a 1000 yards...it blows everything else into the weeds.It also usually utilises a brake....another "nasty" that the NRA/Bisley dont like. |
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Lets cut the crap about "operational neccessity shall we chaps. The military were caught zeroing .338,s on century during the ban. The whole 338 thing is a joke, and its time it was sorted out properly. I shoot a .338 by the way. Makes no difference, i have a 6.5 x 47 that is good enough for this match.
Im looking forward to this immensly.
Will there be beer ?.....and curry ? Wrong, I think. The military have never been banned shooting .338LM they are allowed to shoot it on many ranges where Landmac and the DTE have imposed restrictions on civilians. Reason, the military personnel shooting .338LM have undergone prescribed training on that weapon system and progress through a series of tests before shooting at long range. The RDA for Bisley adjoins the Pirbright Complex RDA and the overlap, I was suprised when I signed for Trevol in Cornwall to find .338LM allowed and the explaination given was as above. from the bisley range and safety regs: .338” calibre HME rifles may not be used on any of the ranges due to revised Range Danger Area and Air Danger Height requirements which exceed the available range safety template and air danger height available. so take that as you will
unless the military bullets arent allowed to go that high That just goes to show, Hutch what a load of bollocks this is doesn,t it ? Its fine for a 20 year old squaddie to use a .338 at bisley, but not a guy who has been shooting almost 40 years, and who holds a british record with a .338 . What the hell is the whole point of the HME bullshit then ? If the safety template doesn,t cover the .338, then absolutely no one should be using one there. This is quite obviously a lie. If the safety template genuinly didn,t allow the calibre, then the army would not be using it, as they would hae no insurance cover. Simple. Its just a load of bollocks, and lies , and a lot more to do with the NRA and other associated clubs/disciplines , not liking the .338.....because basically past a 1000 yards...it blows everything else into the weeds.It also usually utilises a brake....another "nasty" that the NRA/Bisley dont like. whenever i've brought up the subject of .338's the responses i always get is due to the airborne danger area due to ricochet hazards, due to the flight path overhead, but surely that goes for any range user, not just civies. the military can use for operational training requirements, although they still seem to be able to use .338LM for the sniper matches during the centsam competion in the summer. Like you i'm disapointed in not being able to use it on a range complex that basicly has the danger are of a field firing area. i might look into the use of .338LM on the ranges from a Military stand point when i'm back at work, i'm wondering if it could be possible to arrange some sort of large caliber competion run by the military, i.e. us if we sign for the range? like we do for the imperial for falling plates the ranges have a F906 for Military use we sign, possibley run it as a H4H charity shoot ?? Just out of curiosity, how many people here have .338Lap Mags? |
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Maybe the military are better trained. Which reminds me of the time a couple of years ago when all .50 cal shooting was suspended within the UK, pending an investigation after an Irish unit used a Browning .50 on a range and pointed the barrel skywards.... |
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Maybe the military are better trained. Which reminds me of the time a couple of years ago when all .50 cal shooting was suspended within the UK, pending an investigation after an Irish unit used a Browning .50 on a range and pointed the barrel skywards.... I think we're allowed too, but WTF Plod thinks they will do with them I really don't know.................even though I believe one Force has them...........  ................338,that is..
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Lets cut the crap about "operational neccessity shall we chaps. The military were caught zeroing .338,s on century during the ban. The whole 338 thing is a joke, and its time it was sorted out properly. I shoot a .338 by the way. Makes no difference, i have a 6.5 x 47 that is good enough for this match.
Im looking forward to this immensly.
Will there be beer ?.....and curry ? Wrong, I think. The military have never been banned shooting .338LM they are allowed to shoot it on many ranges where Landmac and the DTE have imposed restrictions on civilians. Reason, the military personnel shooting .338LM have undergone prescribed training on that weapon system and progress through a series of tests before shooting at long range. The RDA for Bisley adjoins the Pirbright Complex RDA and the overlap, I was suprised when I signed for Trevol in Cornwall to find .338LM allowed and the explaination given was as above. To add to the points JMH raised; in the case of Bisley: The Bisley RDA is not big enough for .338 in RANGE (worst case incident). However the MoD sign off on the risk of anything going wrong. The NSC are unable to do the same. No great conspiracy thoery, just the MoD have a big enough stash of cash, through HMG PLC, if things did go wrong. It's just risk assessment. NOTAM's can be issued to extend range heights on UK Ranges SIMPLES! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Working on a sniper match for Bisley. I've been given 6th August provisionally and hope to run 8 stages from 200-1100 yds. 3 classes not dissimilar to the one we had before that Afghan Paul designed. It'll be a chance to get the big sticks out Hopefully it'll be fun I'm intrigued. Does anyone still have a copy of this, out of curiosity? |
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The 3 classes were for 5.56, 7.62 and Wildcat (any caliber) rifles. Any sights and bipods allowed in all classes. and HISTORIC – “Any Historic (Pre 1945) Sniper Rifle as issued”. Slings as issued. Rests are prohibited. However, a provided sandbag may be utilised. (For this match, this class will include the ‘as issued’ 7.62mm L42 with No32 telescopic sight and the 7.62mm Enforcer with Pecar telescopic sight. The L39 Rifle and Envoy target rifle will not be included. Any other rifle of similar vintage and capability may be considered upon request.) OG thread with COF and AAR can be found here |
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I have some new idea's too |
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The 3 classes were for 5.56, 7.62 and Wildcat (any caliber) rifles. Any sights and bipods allowed in all classes. and HISTORIC – “Any Historic (Pre 1945) Sniper Rifle as issued”. Slings as issued. Rests are prohibited. However, a provided sandbag may be utilised. (For this match, this class will include the ‘as issued’ 7.62mm L42 with No32 telescopic sight and the 7.62mm Enforcer with Pecar telescopic sight. The L39 Rifle and Envoy target rifle will not be included. Any other rifle of similar vintage and capability may be considered upon request.) OG thread with COF and AAR can be found here Thanks for the link......................Mark, is that why you've gone for August?
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 3 classes were for 5.56, 7.62 and Wildcat (any caliber) rifles. Any sights and bipods allowed in all classes. and HISTORIC – "Any Historic (Pre 1945) Sniper Rifle as issued”. Slings as issued. Rests are prohibited. However, a provided sandbag may be utilised. (For this match, this class will include the ‘as issued’ 7.62mm L42 with No32 telescopic sight and the 7.62mm Enforcer with Pecar telescopic sight. The L39 Rifle and Envoy target rifle will not be included. Any other rifle of similar vintage and capability may be considered upon request.) OG thread with COF and AAR can be found here Thanks for the link......................Mark, is that why you've gone for August? No |
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A post from the old thread Bradders linked.
"Been out zeroing. Come ups from a 200yd zero for anyone dumb brave enough to be using a 223 @ 1k. Rifle 223 Rem 700 20ins bbl Ammo RG 2005 600yds +12 MOA 900yds +32 MOA 1000yds +42 MOA and 2 mil dots (I ran out of scope adjustment)." |
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Will we be allowed sighters or do we have to be real men? Tricky one this as from what I believe, you have to be able to prove you know your come-ups for all distances. That said, there is 7 months between now and then to get sighted , then it'll be down to the best on the day. Anyone got any thoughts on this? |