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1/1/2011 11:50:48 PM EDT
Hey guys just received this from the Practical Rifle website. The Bangor comp is normally very well attended over the 3 days and provided the oportunity to shoot in the dark and in a tunnel.

Well worth a look for those that have never been before.

Methinks that the Unicorn will be having an outing


Oh BTW you do not need  "one of those things, whatever they are" to enter


NORTH WALES PRACTICAL RIFLE COMPETITION
BANGOR TUNNEL RANGES
4th - 6th  March 2011

The Range will be open for 100 yard zero on Friday morning and assistance welcomed for the set up.  Sunday will be a short day, morning only limited to the first 10.

The deadline for entry is 21st Febth 2011.    (There is no entry on the day).  The fee is £20.00 Cheques payable to Bangor and District Rifle Club

Tyro’s will have a mentor nominated and will shoot on ‘tyro only’ details.
 As usual food will be available on Saturday and Sunday,  Accommodation Available locally
You will require 200+ rounds and all equipment taken into the tunnel will be carried by the competitor at all times.  Both tunnels are now 100 yards long.
                                               Centre Fire Rifles ONLY
Note: If you want to enter and receive the CoF by e-mail, mark e-mail BANGOR ENTRY

Send entry to:-Bangor 2011, 13 Allerton Road, Trentham,
Stoke on Trent  ST4 8BP.  Or e-mail to [email protected]




––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––

Bangor 2011 Competition. Bangor Tunnel Range on 4 – 6th March 2011

Full Name:________________________________  Phone:__________________________

Address: __________________________________________________________________

FAC No: _________________   Rifle & Calibre:____________________________________
No Rimfire

Please state (circle) the days you would like to shoot:-    Fri / Sat / Sun     (Sun Am only)  

I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER THE FOLLOWING CLASSES
i. SMLE rifle, service pattern, as issued with no attachments;
ii. No. 4 rifle, service pattern, as issued with no attachments;
iii. Any rifle, iron sights, no restriction on slings, bipods prohibited;
iv. Any rifle, optical sights, no restriction on slings or bipods;
Veteran (aged 50 and over);
Lady (any Lady entrant);
Team of four;

I enclose cheque for  Â£___________ payable to "Bangor and District Rifle Club"

DECLARATION
I declare that I am not prohibited from possessing a firearm by virtue of section 21 of the 1968 Firearms Act, and I will abide by the rules of the competition. I accept that Practical Rifle is an active participant sport and that neither the host club, nor any volunteers assisting, can be responsible for any personal injury or material damage.

Signed:______________________   Date:______________________
1/2/2011 12:42:36 AM EDT
[#1]
I've not shot this PR match before. Anyone have a typical COF to hand ?
If the range is limited to 100y then I'm thinking that the COF will be quite different to the 'norm' ?

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1/2/2011 1:10:50 AM EDT
[#2]
Correctomundo

A lot of the COF is shot using reduced size fig 11/12 targets with limited exposure times, they utilise the lighting system to provide the exposures, if the lights are off then you aint gonna see or shoot fuck all.

Sometimes there are "themes" one year they had you wearing a WW1 tin hat for one of the stages and played a load of music/sounds of explosions etc to simulate how it would have been in the trenches.

They do mini rourkes rations with a bit of running involved so you end up having to run 200 m inside in the dark while dodging the water pissing in through the roof, loads of fun.

One year there was one stage wher you had to shoot a lightweight pump action with slug in it (all provided)

Or another favourite is shooting from a roof on 10  reduced size targets with 1 second exposures, try keeping track of what you have just shot

Definitely a good fun comp
1/2/2011 1:35:34 AM EDT
[#3]
Clashes with CSR

http://www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/Calendar/events.asp?site=NRA&id=2654
1/2/2011 1:57:33 AM EDT
[#4]
North / South divide again.

I wish people would look at the calendars before they book ranges!

There is little enough range space available without double booking!
1/2/2011 4:59:43 AM EDT
[#5]
Double post!
1/2/2011 5:01:04 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
North / South divide again.

I wish people would look at the calendars before they book ranges!

There is little enough range space available without double booking!




Doesn't mean to say that with a bit of co operation both groups could shoot the same discilpine; albiet at differant locations and have a "North-South" competition between the two?

It could consist of just one stage at a distance suitable for both parties.

Thoughts?
1/2/2011 5:21:32 AM EDT
[#7]


There will also probably be a shoot at Diggle that weekend
1/2/2011 5:22:18 AM EDT
[#8]
Can Bangor be shot with the 'Unicorn' does anyone know
1/2/2011 5:30:45 AM EDT
[#9]







Quoted:

There will also probably be a shoot at Diggle that weekend




Looks like there is
Any one fancy a "3 peaks" challenge?





ETA: To be fair, neither Bisley or Diggle encroach on each other.


However this "booking" has the possibility of diluting the entries to either of those matches, as well as that situation being reversed and itself suffering from a poor turmnout.





Unfortunate all round me thinks
 
1/2/2011 5:44:03 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Can Bangor be shot with the 'Unicorn' does anyone know


I believe so . Entry form just states centre fire rifle.
Havent shot mine for group at 100 before but have knocked over etr at 200 on g range



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1/2/2011 6:24:55 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Can Bangor be shot with the 'Unicorn' does anyone know


I believe so . Entry form just states centre fire rifle.
Havent shot mine for group at 100 before but have knocked over etr at 200 on g range



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Shot mine on the CGR range at Altcar and we were knocking over Fig 12's no probs at 200mts, but I think that was above its limits, Dave green had a go with mine at 400mts, as for 100, I shoot mine
at 100 regulally, and get about 6-8 in groups depending on ammo, I would like to give it a go for the Bangor comp, and if I can, I will enter, and do Diggle maybe if poss on the Sat, we shall see

1/2/2011 6:41:42 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Can Bangor be shot with the 'Unicorn' does anyone know


NRA Practical Rifle
Any full bore single shot rifle which has not been modified in any way which might reduce its safety, and which conforms to the following:
Muzzle brakes. Permitted.
Sound Suppressors. Permitted.
Bipod / Vertical Grip / Angled Grip / RN Sub approved Speshal grips or bling  Permitted
Monkey Metal Add Ons. Prohibited
Airsoft Shite. Prohibited
Pull of trigger. Minimum 1.5kg (3.307lbs)
Sights. Any.
Projected laser aiming or ranging devices. Prohibited.
Ammunition. The use of armour piercing, tracer or expanding ammunition is prohibited.

Unless the organises decide to limit it to rifle cartridges?
1/2/2011 7:04:18 AM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Can Bangor be shot with the 'Unicorn' does anyone know




NRA Practical Rifle

Any full bore single shot rifle which has not been modified in any way which might reduce its safety, and which conforms to the following:

Muzzle brakes. Permitted.

Sound Suppressors. Permitted.

Bipod / Vertical Grip / Angled Grip / RN Sub approved Speshal grips or bling  Permitted

Monkey Metal Add Ons. Prohibited

Airsoft Shite. Prohibited

Pull of trigger. Minimum 1.5kg (3.307lbs)

Sights. Any.

Projected laser aiming or ranging devices. Prohibited.

Ammunition. The use of armour piercing, tracer or expanding ammunition is prohibited.



Unless the organises decide to limit it to rifle cartridges?
Which they should, because it's in your "corrected" description





 
1/2/2011 7:12:58 AM EDT
[#14]
It's not a NRA comp, do what you like, I'm sure they'll be glad to have your money.
1/2/2011 7:18:24 AM EDT
[#15]
I am sure that there would not be a problem letting them shoot the CoF with 9mm. However, whether it was allowed to count is another matter.

I know it wouldn't be allowed, to count, in CSR FIBUA.

If I was going I would take my 9mm and just have fun.
1/2/2011 7:21:03 AM EDT
[#16]
Well I'll take either the 9mm or give the m4 an airing :-)

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1/2/2011 7:29:59 AM EDT
[#17]
Lets all shoot it with .22lr then?
1/2/2011 7:47:10 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Lets all shoot it with .22lr then?


If you want to why not, again probably wouldn't count for the comp though.

Not going myself so of course I don't mind, its up to John and Anne

But i would let people shoot whatever they wanted (range and space permitting) and only score those that made the match criteria.

As JMH said take the money





1/2/2011 8:14:19 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
I am sure that there would not be a problem letting them shoot the CoF with 9mm. However, whether it was allowed to count is another matter.

I know it wouldn't be allowed, to count, in CSR FIBUA.

If I was going I would take my 9mm and just have fun.


Thanks Paul, if I can that is what I will do, but I will check with the organisers first

1/2/2011 8:18:39 AM EDT
[#20]



Quoted:



Quoted:

I am sure that there would not be a problem letting them shoot the CoF with 9mm. However, whether it was allowed to count is another matter.



I know it wouldn't be allowed, to count, in CSR FIBUA.



If I was going I would take my 9mm and just have fun.





Thanks Paul, if I can that is what I will do, but I will check with the organisers first





Can I bring my bow & arrow then?



 
1/2/2011 8:25:35 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
I am sure that there would not be a problem letting them shoot the CoF with 9mm. However, whether it was allowed to count is another matter.

I know it wouldn't be allowed, to count, in CSR FIBUA.

If I was going I would take my 9mm and just have fun.


Thanks Paul, if I can that is what I will do, but I will check with the organisers first


Can I bring my bow & arrow then?
 


If I thought I was capable of going there and winning, (or anywhere else for that matter!!!) I would spend meggar bucks on a super dooper
spec rifle, that aint gonna happen, I aint up to it anymore. I have 3 priorities with my shooting nowadays, saftey, shit and giggles.

If it fits the criteria I will use it, if not I will use my Carbine, I'm not overbothered as long as I have a good day out.

1/2/2011 8:33:01 AM EDT
[#22]
I'd would have thought that bus pass warrior would have provided a low down on the tunnel match by now !!

ETA - I'm gonna bring my black widow catapult and hotshot ammo ;-)

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1/2/2011 8:34:13 AM EDT
[#23]



Quoted:



Quoted:




Quoted:


Quoted:

I am sure that there would not be a problem letting them shoot the CoF with 9mm. However, whether it was allowed to count is another matter.



I know it wouldn't be allowed, to count, in CSR FIBUA.



If I was going I would take my 9mm and just have fun.





Thanks Paul, if I can that is what I will do, but I will check with the organisers first





Can I bring my bow & arrow then?

 




If I thought I was capable of going there and winning, (or anywhere else for that matter!!!) I would spend meggar bucks on a super dooper

spec rifle, that aint gonna happen, I aint up to it anymore. I have 3 priorities with my shooting nowadays, saftey, shit and giggles.



If it fits the criteria I will use it, if not I will use my Carbine, I'm not overbothered as long as I have a good day out.





Then it's not practical rifle any more then, is it?

The rules always stated that you must use a UK legal fullbore rifle, not a pistol calibre, rimfire, bow & arrow, pea shooter, slingshot, catapult or whatever.

How about tiddlywinks? Nearest to the hunshead wins



As for the super dooper spec rifle....come on Tim, you have ample goodies in your cabinet that will suffice, so that argument holds no water.



PR has lost its way and is desperate for attendances. This is down to many reasons, but if there is room for people to go along "just to play", that's fine.

And I'm sure there will be coz I reckon the attendance will be low.



What do I know anyway? and besides I won't be at that one due to prior engagements etc, but I'm still a purist and if everyone decides to dilute it with inferior kit, you'll start to see the demise of it even quicker than expected.



 
1/2/2011 8:49:38 AM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
I am sure that there would not be a problem letting them shoot the CoF with 9mm. However, whether it was allowed to count is another matter.

I know it wouldn't be allowed, to count, in CSR FIBUA.

If I was going I would take my 9mm and just have fun.


Thanks Paul, if I can that is what I will do, but I will check with the organisers first


Can I bring my bow & arrow then?
 


If I thought I was capable of going there and winning, (or anywhere else for that matter!!!) I would spend meggar bucks on a super dooper
spec rifle, that aint gonna happen, I aint up to it anymore. I have 3 priorities with my shooting nowadays, saftey, shit and giggles.

If it fits the criteria I will use it, if not I will use my Carbine, I'm not overbothered as long as I have a good day out.


Then it's not practical rifle any more then, is it?
The rules always stated that you must use a UK legal fullbore rifle, not a pistol calibre, rimfire, bow & arrow, pea shooter, slingshot, catapult or whatever.
How about tiddlywinks? Nearest to the hunshead wins

As for the super dooper spec rifle....come on Tim, you have ample goodies in your cabinet that will suffice, so that argument holds no water.

PR has lost its way and is desperate for attendances. This is down to many reasons, but if there is room for people to go along "just to play", that's fine.
And I'm sure there will be coz I reckon the attendance will be low.

What do I know anyway? and besides I won't be at that one due to prior engagements etc, but I'm still a purist and if everyone decides to dilute it with inferior kit, you'll start to see the demise of it even quicker than expected.
 


I simply asked if I could use my Unicorn for this shoot or not ??
If this is the case, then I will use my carbine, I take my shooting very serios Mark, and have done for the last 28 years !!!!
I'm not going to go anywhere just to play, but I am not scared to admit I am not a serious contender anymore, every shoot I took part
in last year, I was always mid-table, I'm happy with that, and I always do my utmost to compete. Yes I do have a cabinet full of capable kit,
but I aint as capable of doing it as I was, wont stop me trying though.
1/3/2011 12:28:03 AM EDT
[#25]
John has said NO to .22

He is looking at 9mm and GRCF - not yet decided.

Only full bore rifle cartridges can be used to gain league points.
1/3/2011 12:31:09 AM EDT
[#26]



Quoted:


John has said NO to .22



He is looking at 9mm and GRCF - not yet decided.



Only full bore rifle cartridges can be used to gain league points.


Not fullbore cartridges.

S'pose that rules out my bow 'n' arra's then



 
1/3/2011 2:00:32 AM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
I'd would have thought that bus pass warrior would have provided a low down on the tunnel match by now !!


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Laters I've been busy

1/3/2011 2:12:13 AM EDT
[#28]
Up for this..... is it an overnight stay thing?
1/3/2011 10:16:08 AM EDT
[#29]
I presume .30 carbine would be fine and dandy then ?
1/3/2011 10:50:50 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd would have thought that bus pass warrior would have provided a low down on the tunnel match by now !!


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Laters I've been busy



OK what do you need to know?
Range is in two side by side (disused) railway tunnels, they are cold, damp and dark with random drips of cold water on your head.  Be prepared to lose your spent brass as finding "your" cases amongst all the rest in a dimly lit tunnel isn't always an option. May need think again about using new Lapua cases.
Snap exposures done by having target briefly illuminated, during the away time you are looking into total darkness.  Have your scope turned up too high and you may not see the target in time.  My fixed 10x wasn't ideal

John's courses of fire are always imaginative and fun to shoot and "what happens in the tunnel stays in the tunnel"  

map

Entrance up a track off north side of the A4087 just before the island / A487

     
1/3/2011 12:11:02 PM EDT
[#31]
Hmm...the MInes of Moria or the Dead Marshes, What a choice............
1/3/2011 12:30:02 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd would have thought that bus pass warrior would have provided a low down on the tunnel match by now !!


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Laters I've been busy



OK what do you need to know?
Range is in two side by side (disused) railway tunnels, they are cold, damp and dark with random drips of cold water on your head.  Be prepared to lose your spent brass as finding "your" cases amongst all the rest in a dimly lit tunnel isn't always an option. May need think again about using new Lapua cases.
Snap exposures done by having target briefly illuminated, during the away time you are looking into total darkness.  Have your scope turned up too high and you may not see the target in time.  My fixed 10x wasn't ideal

John's courses of fire are always imaginative and fun to shoot and "what happens in the tunnel stays in the tunnel"  

map

Entrance up a track off north side of the A4087 just before the island / A487

     


Do I need to book a stopover?

Can I bring a Tyro if he has his ticket in time?  (I'll supply the gun and ammo)

Can I use IR and NV scopes?
1/3/2011 12:42:55 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Can I bring a Tyro if he has his ticket in time?  (I'll supply the gun and ammo)


John is usually ok with this as long as you follow him on the first couple of COF until he gets his feet, shooting here is like no other. The tunnel is quite an experience..... with the noise, damp atmosphere its very unique day out !
1/3/2011 1:19:44 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:


Do I need to book a stopover?

Can I bring a Tyro if he has his ticket in time?  (I'll supply the gun and ammo)

Can I use IR and NV scopes?


Wouldn't have thought so, you can shoot the match in a day and it's not that far for you Phil is it?  It's about 170 miles each way for me using motorways and I haven't felt the need to stop over.  Maybe you have ulterior motives for a night away ?

As to IR / NV no chance but an illuminated reticule is useful.