Posted: 8/1/2010 11:04:18 AM EDT
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Well, how was it? |
| Well it stayed dry all day. Wind was straight down range, fishtailing occasionally. I had zero wind on, even at 600m. Long range scores were consequenltly higher than last years. Got all 7 stages finished, just in time. You had to be quick to get all the rounds off on some of the stages, and be able to count to 10, which I apparently couldn't! Didn't get any scores on the range. |
Good day! 
Don't really get the weak shoulder shooting and you're pretty bolloxed at 600m with a ShortDot..... but enjoyed it anyway. Shame the MOD don't replace the target faces for us civvies as they looked like pepper pots before we started.....All my little boolits went straight through those great big 7.62 holes.... 
......and apart from a target that didn't go down but registered all its' hits  until they decided that it didn't and stopped using it, it was all good fun...
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Great fun, and several firsts for me...
Shot on reactive targets with a fullbore gun Shot from a fire pit Shot my .223 @ 600... (and missed...) Saw a .303 with a modern scope on!?! (a bit of an abomination IMHO) Shot multiple distances at once Advanced & shot from random distances (not firing points) Beat DaddyPig in a comp (fingers crossed!!!  )
It'd be pretty cool to use an ETR range for a CSR course of fire, engaging @ different distances was interesting to say the least, only trouble is that the scoring is fairly difficult, there were a number of issues with the targets and they were really quite shot up... A lot of fun tho :-) |
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Usual shot to F ETR faces.
Landmark know that after a Civ booking using 7.62mm and .303 the faces are done, so they don't bother changing them. The user gets left with tired ones to start with. Some of the timings were a bit optimistic (too short) for changing shoulders and engaging the target. I still think that 20 rounds is too much for a stage, put more stages in or a 2nd half of a stage doing something different. But that's just me. 
I am sure the guy firing Factory Lapua 7.62mm through an AW would agree! 
I was going to ask if he wanted to swap with some of my 144 RG, as it wouldn't have made any difference 
And of course the 'I hit it', no you didn't, 'oh yes I did' took place. The usual suspects of course. It would have been nice to see re-shoots or no F-off they are working fine, rather than give the aledged higher score without question 
Thanks to Peter for running the console and John for herding cats (Bill) on the FP
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It'd be pretty cool to use an ETR range for a CSR course of fire, engaging @ different distances was interesting to say the least, only trouble is that the scoring is fairly difficult, there were a number of issues with the targets and they were really quite shot up... If your club has a range licence book one! There are several SR matches for ETR, they are quite quick too (or can be ) you could probably have multiple goes for a flat fee.
Without AMS you have to view it as you said, a bit of fun. Always book 12 lanes but squad for 10
Re-shoot? Do it straight away Shoot the entire match through in one go Keep the momentum of the day going. One details shooing next behind ready to step forward. Explain that holes in the center of the targets are like body armour
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Quoted: While there is some merit to this on certain occasions, I'm not a big fan of it as it knocks the whole social aspect of shooting out the window.Quoted: It'd be pretty cool to use an ETR range for a CSR course of fire, engaging @ different distances was interesting to say the least, only trouble is that the scoring is fairly difficult, there were a number of issues with the targets and they were really quite shot up... If your club has a range licence book one! There are several SR matches for ETR, they are quite quick too (or can be ) you could probably have multiple goes for a flat fee.Without AMS you have to view it as you said, a bit of fun. Always book 12 lanes but squad for 10 Re-shoot? Do it straight away Shoot the entire match through in one go Keep the momentum of the day going. One details shooing next behind ready to step forward. Explain that holes in the center of the targets are like body armour When given a fixed shooting time, people will only turn up shortly beforehand and leave immediately afterwards. ETR will always be ETR and is to be taken as seen. No point complaining about it. We've all shot it for years and if you're an habitual complainer about your target faces then don't turn up. As for using it for Nat'l comps, that's where the inconsistencies in scoring become an issue. AMS works fine though. Last year we shot the Roupell SR match on the AMS ETR range on Pirbright. It was good fun but wasn't available this year. We also shot several ETR matches on Stickledown the year before when we had the SAAB target systems to play with. |
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Great fun, and several firsts for me... Shot on reactive targets with a fullbore gun Shot from a fire pit Shot my .223 @ 600... (and missed...) Saw a .303 with a modern scope on!?! (a bit of an abomination IMHO) Shot multiple distances at once Advanced & shot from random distances (not firing points) Beat DaddyPig in a comp (fingers crossed!!! )
It'd be pretty cool to use an ETR range for a CSR course of fire, engaging @ different distances was interesting to say the least, only trouble is that the scoring is fairly difficult, there were a number of issues with the targets and they were really quite shot up... A lot of fun tho :-) That's 'cause I hurt my thumb.....
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Quoted: The social aspect is all very well. However if you only have limited time (such as winter / weekend range times) you need to have a sense of urgency about the day. I don't believe in shooting just for the sake of it, much more important to have a fun day out |
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The social aspect is all very well. However if you only have limited time (such as winter / weekend range times) you need to have a sense of urgency about the day. I don't believe in shooting just for the sake of it, much more important to have a fun day out Absolutely..... A large majority of us shoot as a 'hobby' so it has to be fun and enjoyable. The 'turn up at this time, shoot, then bugger off' type of shooting has lost it's appeal to me recently and that's why I don't shoot so many of the Gallery Rifle comp's any more. I suppose the 'social side' of the day becomes more important when you get old and tired and your eyes start going....
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The social aspect is all very well. However if you only have limited time (such as winter / weekend range times) you need to have a sense of urgency about the day. I don't believe in shooting just for the sake of it, much more important to have a fun day out I agree it's a different dynamic not having the butts duty and some people will always run away asap but if there are a reasonable number of details (which there have to be if half the targets don't work) then there's plenty of time for bantersocializing |
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Quoted: I agree it's a different dynamic not having the butts duty and some people will always run away asap but if there are a reasonable number of details (which there have to be if half the targets don't work) then there's plenty of time for bantersocializing lying Fixed it for ya |
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It'd be pretty cool to use an ETR range for a CSR course of fire, engaging @ different distances was interesting to say the least, only trouble is that the scoring is fairly difficult, there were a number of issues with the targets and they were really quite shot up... If your club has a range licence book one! There are several SR matches for ETR, they are quite quick too (or can be ) you could probably have multiple goes for a flat fee.
Without AMS you have to view it as you said, a bit of fun. Always book 12 lanes but squad for 10
Re-shoot? Do it straight away Shoot the entire match through in one go Keep the momentum of the day going. One details shooing next behind ready to step forward. Explain that holes in the center of the targets are like body armour
Unfortunately my main club barely has a fullbore section let alone a range license. We do have a lot of RO's tho... Scoring does become a bit farcical, but I'm in it for the fun, not for the glory (which is a good thing given my shooting!) On the way out of LongMoor we spotted the "shoot house/village" on the left! Who do we need to bribe to have a play in there!!! |
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Usual shot to F ETR faces. Landmark know that after a Civ booking using 7.62mm and .303 the faces are done, so they don't bother changing them. The user gets left with tired ones to start with. Some of the timings were a bit optimistic (too short) for changing shoulders and engaging the target. I still think that 20 rounds is too much for a stage, put more stages in or a 2nd half of a stage doing something different. But that's just me.
I am sure the guy firing Factory Lapua 7.62mm through an AW would agree!
I was going to ask if he wanted to swap with some of my 144 RG, as it wouldn't have made any difference
And of course the 'I hit it', no you didn't, 'oh yes I did' took place. The usual suspects of course. It would have been nice to see re-shoots or no F-off they are working fine, rather than give the aledged higher score without question You mean I could have won by not firing a shot and just being an argumentative sod?, had I turned up..........
Thanks to Peter for running the console and John for herding cats (Bill) on the FP |
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The social aspect is all very well. However if you only have limited time (such as winter / weekend range times) you need to have a sense of urgency about the day. I don't believe in shooting just for the sake of it, much more important to have a fun day out Absolutely..... A large majority of us shoot as a 'hobby' so it has to be fun and enjoyable. The 'turn up at this time, shoot, then bugger off' type of shooting has lost it's appeal to me recently and that's why I don't shoot so many of the Gallery Rifle comp's any more. I suppose the 'social side' of the day becomes more important when you get old and tired and your eyes start going.... Me three. If it starts getting too serious that's the fun element gone for me...... |