Posted: 11/2/2009 10:37:27 AM EDT
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Earlier today whilst in one of my belligerent moods, I penned a mail to Argos to ask them why the union Jack wall art they are selling, item number: 005/2584 does not correctly represent our national flag. This was there response:Dear Mr Spencer-Smith,
Subject: Catalogue number: 005/2584 - Union Jack Canvas Print Wall Art. Thank you for your e-mail regarding the above. I am sorry if you are offended in any way by the Union Jack Wall Art. The image is intended as a piece of art and is not a true likeness. Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience caused. Should you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us at [email protected] or call us on 0845 640 2020. Regards, Collette Hewitt Argos Direct E-Commerce Customer Service Team. For your reference the above reply is in reference to your earlier email ARG4556131X: Our nation is being dismantled bit by bit. Argos will see no more sales to me. |
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If you are a true Englishman of anglo-saxon descent the red cross of St George isn't your flag, nor is St George the true English patron saint. These were imposed on the English by our Norman overlords. Just like New Labour imposing multiculturalism on us. Did you know St George is the patron saint of Barcelona and you also find images of him and the flag in various Northen Italian churches. A very odd choice of a national patron saint.
Read more about the the white dragon flag and St Edmund the Martyr. mind you I can't claim anglo saxon descent, my male line traces back to coming over from Ireland around 1800 and then there's Welsh on the maternal line. 
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I am a proud Englishman and proud to be a subject of her Britannic Majesty's British Kingdom. I love my history and I am always ever ready to learn. Your post was news to me and I fully intend on looking deeper into it, can't wait 
Having said that, I'm sure you will agree that no matter what the history behind the evolution of our nation, if we can't even get the level of importance raised for our current national emblems so that the infedelic liebour infused system of society don't respect the said, then we have not chance of spreading the word of truth about our historical lineage, history, values and pride. We need to start somewhere, draw a line in the sand, stand united then address the balance. Stand with me brother, together we will start the process of justice 
Fuck, too much wine with the anti-biotic, I'm off to bed 
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I am a proud Englishman and proud to be a subject of her Britannic Majesty's British Kingdom. I love my history and I am always ever ready to learn. Your post was news to me and I fully intend on looking deeper into it, can't wait
Having said that, I'm sure you will agree that no matter what the history behind the evolution of our nation, if we can't even get the level of importance raised for our current national emblems so that the infedelic liebour infused system of society don't respect the said, then we have not chance of spreading the word of truth about our historical lineage, history, values and pride. We need to start somewhere, draw a line in the sand, stand united then address the balance. Stand with me brother, together we will start the process of justice
Fuck, too much wine with the anti-biotic, I'm off to bed Well crack on, you're pretty much on your own as there is no such thing as a British Subject now unless you were born in the Republic of Ireland prior to 1949 and never naturalized yourself in the UK. 
Now as to 'Britishness'… stop 10 people at random and ask them what date St Georges Day is on and the result will surprise you. |
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My local church flies the St Georges flag from the mast on top of the steeple all year round.
Whilst walking past the church sometime last year, I noticed a sign on the church notice board, from the vicar, which read as follows...... "The St Georges flag is flying, because it is!" He must have gotten fed up of people asking him about it.... 
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Earlier today whilst in one of my belligerent moods, I penned a mail to Argos to ask them why the union Jack wall art they are selling, item number: 005/2584 does not correctly represent our national flag. This was there response:Dear Mr Spencer-Smith, Subject: Catalogue number: 005/2584 - Union Jack Canvas Print Wall Art. Thank you for your e-mail regarding the above. I am sorry if you are offended in any way by the Union Jack Wall Art. The image is intended as a piece of art and is not a true likeness. Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience caused. Should you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us at [email protected] or call us on 0845 640 2020. Regards, Collette Hewitt Argos Direct E-Commerce Customer Service Team. For your reference the above reply is in reference to your earlier email ARG4556131X: Our nation is being dismantled bit by bit. Argos will see no more sales to me. I've just looked up the cat. number on the Argos website and its disgraceful that the sourcing agent doesn't know a union flag from a collection of fucking lines!! Let me ask you if an American is caught flying his Old Glory upside down and he is literally excommunicated for doing so then why can you drive past shopping centres, Aston Villa football ground and Bournville police station and see the Union Flag proudly flown in the same way? Is it total social ignorance, laziness in the fact that they are right in thinking that the British public probably wouldn't notice anyway?...I noticed. Bournville is now sorted, I'm glad to say, after I went in and told them last month. How many of the 'Proud to be British' crowd went in and bought one of those prints do you think? At least the bog seat is accurate...Along with the witty synopsis |
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If you are a true Englishman of anglo-saxon descent the red cross of St George isn't your flag, nor is St George the true English patron saint. These were imposed on the English by our Norman overlords. Just like New Labour imposing multiculturalism on us. Did you know St George is the patron saint of Barcelona and you also find images of him and the flag in various Northen Italian churches. A very odd choice of a national patron saint. Read more about the the white dragon flag and St Edmund the Martyr. mind you I can't claim anglo saxon descent, my male line traces back to coming over from Ireland around 1800 and then there's Welsh on the maternal line.
Whats English ?? You mention Anglo Saxon and you mention Norman overlords inferring that the former are more English. However the "Anglo" comes from the word "Angles" - a group that came from Europe to the British Isles. And Saxon ? They too came from Europe ! A recent study of DNA in people throughout Norfolk and Suffolk found a huge amount of Scandanavian ancestry. English is just a mix of Pictish, Viking, German, Roman and a mixture of European nomadic tribes. Perhaps if you go back to the Picts you may have something nearer native English. Even the Irish cannot claim to be "only" of Irish stock. Have you ever wondered why typical Celtic features like red hair are more predominant in the East and fade the further you go west in that island ? Because the Spanish have spread their DNA liberally along the West coast !!
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My local church [St Georges] also fly's the flag of St. George, I can see it from by Garden - it brings a smile to my face.
We can all wind history back to a point where a time before the birth of nations. It doesn't get us away from the fact that our current national flag is being abused. This is the same flag that our Brave service men and women are fighting and dying under.  For this reason alone it should be respected.
Some years ago I protested to the Mayor of a French town which had the union flag flying upside down - as was once seen as a sign of distress when employed by the royal navy to warn other royal naval ships that they had an issue on board. The mayor had the error corrected and wrote me a letter of apology - result. If a French mayor can understand the issue, why can't Argos? 
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If you are a true Englishman of anglo-saxon descent the red cross of St George isn't your flag, nor is St George the true English patron saint. These were imposed on the English by our Norman overlords. Just like New Labour imposing multiculturalism on us. Did you know St George is the patron saint of Barcelona and you also find images of him and the flag in various Northen Italian churches. A very odd choice of a national patron saint. Read more about the the white dragon flag and St Edmund the Martyr. mind you I can't claim anglo saxon descent, my male line traces back to coming over from Ireland around 1800 and then there's Welsh on the maternal line.
Whats English ?? You mention Anglo Saxon and you mention Norman overlords inferring that the former are more English. However the "Anglo" comes from the word "Angles" - a group that came from Europe to the British Isles. And Saxon ? They too came from Europe ! A recent study of DNA in people throughout Norfolk and Suffolk found a huge amount of Scandanavian ancestry. English is just a mix of Pictish, Viking, German, Roman and a mixture of European nomadic tribes. Perhaps if you go back to the Picts you may have something nearer native English. Even the Irish cannot claim to be "only" of Irish stock. Have you ever wondered why typical Celtic features like red hair are more predominant in the East and fade the further you go west in that island ? Because the Spanish have spread their DNA liberally along the West coast !!
A lot of that is because the Irish Celts did not come via France, but were direct immigrants from the Iberian peninsula… Meanwhile, this fair haired, light skinned and blue eyed Paddy can trace his line of decent back to the Danish Vikings that laid waste to fair chunks of Ireland in the 10th Century… |
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If you are a true Englishman of anglo-saxon descent the red cross of St George isn't your flag, nor is St George the true English patron saint. These were imposed on the English by our Norman overlords. Just like New Labour imposing multiculturalism on us. Did you know St George is the patron saint of Barcelona and you also find images of him and the flag in various Northen Italian churches. A very odd choice of a national patron saint. Read more about the the white dragon flag and St Edmund the Martyr. mind you I can't claim anglo saxon descent, my male line traces back to coming over from Ireland around 1800 and then there's Welsh on the maternal line.
Whats English ?? You mention Anglo Saxon and you mention Norman overlords inferring that the former are more English. However the "Anglo" comes from the word "Angles" - a group that came from Europe to the British Isles. And Saxon ? They too came from Europe ! A recent study of DNA in people throughout Norfolk and Suffolk found a huge amount of Scandanavian ancestry. English is just a mix of Pictish, Viking, German, Roman and a mixture of European nomadic tribes. Perhaps if you go back to the Picts you may have something nearer native English. Even the Irish cannot claim to be "only" of Irish stock. Have you ever wondered why typical Celtic features like red hair are more predominant in the East and fade the further you go west in that island ? Because the Spanish have spread their DNA liberally along the West coast !!
A lot of that is because the Irish Celts did not come via France, but were direct immigrants from the Iberian peninsula… Meanwhile, this fair haired, light skinned and blue eyed Paddy can trace his line of decent back to the Danish Vikings that laid waste to fair chunks of Ireland in the 10th Century… Agreed ! And some of it comes from the survivors of the Spanish Armada washed ashore all along the west coast. |
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My local church [St Georges] also fly's the flag of St. George, I can see it from by Garden - it brings a smile to my face. We can all wind history back to a point where a time before the birth of nations. It doesn't get us away from the fact that our current national flag is being abused. This is the same flag that our Brave service men and women are fighting and dying under. For this reason alone it should be respected.
Some years ago I protested to the Mayor of a French town which had the union flag flying upside down - as was once seen as a sign of distress when employed by the royal navy to warn other royal naval ships that they had an issue on board. The mayor had the error corrected and wrote me a letter of apology - result. If a French mayor can understand the issue, why can't Argos? Actually, their is no official version of the Union Jack or a right or wrong way to fly it in UK law… it's all custom and practice, nothing more. |
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Whats English ?? You mention Anglo Saxon and you mention Norman overlords inferring that the former are more English. However the "Anglo" comes from the word "Angles" - a group that came from Europe to the British Isles. And Saxon ? They too came from Europe ! A recent study of DNA in people throughout Norfolk and Suffolk found a huge amount of Scandanavian ancestry. English is just a mix of Pictish, Viking, German, Roman and a mixture of European nomadic tribes. Perhaps if you go back to the Picts you may have something nearer native English. Even the Irish cannot claim to be "only" of Irish stock. Have you ever wondered why typical Celtic features like red hair are more predominant in the East and fade the further you go west in that island ? Because the Spanish have spread their DNA liberally along the West coast !!
The name England derives from Angle land, Land of the Angles who as you know were one of the many groups who migrated here mostly from northern Germany. By the 10th /11th century they would describe themselves as English and their country as England. The Danes (Vikings) were not part of the English and neither could the Pictish kingdom in what is now Scotland be considered to be English. As to the Spanish on the West Coast of Ireland most contemporary accounts say that in many cases shipwrecked Armada sailors were massacred by the locals as they came ashore. Irleand was already populated before the Gaels arrived from Northern Spain and much later the Viking came and founded Dublin, Wexford & Waterford. And then Strongbow was invited over with an English army to help one Irish king sort out another Irish king and most of them stayed. |
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Whats English ?? You mention Anglo Saxon and you mention Norman overlords inferring that the former are more English. However the "Anglo" comes from the word "Angles" - a group that came from Europe to the British Isles. And Saxon ? They too came from Europe ! A recent study of DNA in people throughout Norfolk and Suffolk found a huge amount of Scandanavian ancestry. English is just a mix of Pictish, Viking, German, Roman and a mixture of European nomadic tribes. Perhaps if you go back to the Picts you may have something nearer native English. Even the Irish cannot claim to be "only" of Irish stock. Have you ever wondered why typical Celtic features like red hair are more predominant in the East and fade the further you go west in that island ? Because the Spanish have spread their DNA liberally along the West coast !!
The name England derives from Angle land, Land of the Angles who as you know were one of the many groups who migrated here mostly from northern Germany. By the 10th /11th century they would describe themselves as English and their country as England. The Danes (Vikings) were not part of the English and neither could the Pictish kingdom in what is now Scotland be considered to be English. As to the Spanish on the West Coast of Ireland most contemporary accounts say that in many cases shipwrecked Armada sailors were massacred by the locals as they came ashore. Irleand was already populated before the Gaels arrived from Northern Spain and much later the Viking came and founded Dublin, Wexford & Waterford. And then Strongbow was invited over with an English army to help one Irish king sort out another Irish king and most of them stayed. Which tends to demonstrate the point I was making. The term English is very different at different points in history. No doubt the natives prior to the ingress of Angles and Saxons would have viewed the Angles and Saxons as foreigners. |
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As to the Spanish on the West Coast of Ireland most contemporary accounts say that in many cases shipwrecked Armada sailors were massacred by the locals as they came ashore. I've heard that too They have not come up with any other way to explain the fact that redheads with pale skin are predominately Eastern but black hair and darker complexion features in the west. |
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As to the Spanish on the West Coast of Ireland most contemporary accounts say that in many cases shipwrecked Armada sailors were massacred by the locals as they came ashore. I've heard that too They have not come up with any other way to explain the fact that redheads with pale skin are predominately Eastern but black hair and darker complexion features in the west. ALthough many Spanish sailors were killed, plenty enough were accepted into the isolated local communities on the West Coast, enough to make a noticeable difference. When you add in that the baseline Irish were also from the Iberian peninusal, it brought out plenty of dark and swathy paddis. West coast: Short arses with dark complexions ~ 
East Coast: Tall, far haired nordic Gods ~ 
Midlands: Your classic thick mick ~ 
North: Tall lanky gingers with bad teeth and freckles ~
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Quoted: You'd be from the Midlands then Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As to the Spanish on the West Coast of Ireland most contemporary accounts say that in many cases shipwrecked Armada sailors were massacred by the locals as they came ashore. I've heard that too They have not come up with any other way to explain the fact that redheads with pale skin are predominately Eastern but black hair and darker complexion features in the west. ALthough many Spanish sailors were killed, plenty enough were accepted into the isolated local communities on the West Coast, enough to make a noticeable difference. When you add in that the baseline Irish were also from the Iberian peninusal, it brought out plenty of dark and swathy paddis. West coast: Short arses with dark complexions ~ East Coast: Tall, far haired nordic Gods ~ Midlands: Your classic thick mick ~ North: Tall lanky gingers with bad teeth and freckles ~ |
