[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Retro anyone ??? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/3/2009 10:42:56 PM EDT
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well I asked him to send me some more pics, this is the answer  "Hello, what sort of pics do you want ? All the bits came off One i had many years ago before they were banned in the uk. Regards". Im just trying to get my head round this one. Is what he is doing illegal or legal? He openly replied to 310Cadet saying they were off his pre-semi auto ban gun. From the picture there is a serial number stamped into the receiver. Shouldn't that rifle and its parts have been collected in and destroyed at the time of the ban? I mean if someone actually tried to use it as part of a functioning weapon, wouldn't the serial number be flagged? It is possible that he had the gun deactivated and has now stripped it, but from his reply to 310Cadet I somehow doubt it. |
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well I asked him to send me some more pics, this is the answer "Hello, what sort of pics do you want ? All the bits came off One i had many years ago before they were banned in the uk. Regards". Im just trying to get my head round this one. Is what he is doing illegal or legal? He openly replied to 310Cadet saying they were off his pre-semi auto ban gun. From the picture there is a serial number stamped into the receiver. Shouldn't that rifle and its parts have been collected in and destroyed at the time of the ban? I mean if someone actually tried to use it as part of a functioning weapon, wouldn't the serial number be flagged? It is possible that he had the gun deactivated and has now stripped it, but from his reply to 310Cadet I somehow doubt it. Selling as firearm's parts could lead to trouble as the flash hider and the receiver are controlled items and need an FAC. If they were off a deact. weapon then it is legal but this just goes to highlight the stupidity of the firearms laws. Then there is the use the buyer puts them to - stick them on a rifle and they are s5 parts as they are off a s5 weapon but as no one has mentioned where they came from that could be hard to prove. Unless you are really desperate to have these parts I'd leave them well alone. |
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I have no intention to buy the parts. I don't even own an AR15. I was just trying to understand how it is legal for someone to sell rifle parts on eBay and why the gun / parts were never collected and destroyed at the time of the ban. I'm sure there is something untoward with this sale , I cant see the listing staying there till the auction close time. Also if it does sell I guess he will probably get a visit at some point from the boys in blue. What is very strange is that eBay have allowed him to list that even with their strange policies. A friend of mine once had an auction for a set of reloading dies pulled within an hour of it listing. This seems to have been there a while. Very strange rules and laws |
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well I asked him to send me some more pics, this is the answer "Hello, what sort of pics do you want ? All the bits came off One i had many years ago before they were banned in the uk. Regards". but as no one has mentioned where they came from that could be hard to prove. Unless you are really desperate to have these parts I'd leave them well alone. But he did mention where they came from Oh, you mean these ones. I thought you meant the ones you were gonna buy,  the ones that didn't have a provenance.
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I could understand the comment if you knew nothing about firearms.
But as a RFD and considered by many to be an authority on AR15's, I am baffled by it. I see it as a piece of metal that shouldn't need to be licensed.....but it is, because that's how the law works. I'm not a police officer, judge, magistrate or law maker. I have not defined what it is or isn't. I just see it for the stupidity it is. Some of you really are accustomed to bending over and taking it! |
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Quoted: Quoted: I could understand the comment if you knew nothing about firearms. But as a RFD and considered by many to be an authority on AR15's, I am baffled by it. I see it as a piece of metal that shouldn't need to be licensed.....but it is, because that's how the law works. I'm not a police officer, judge, magistrate or law maker. I have not defined what it is or isn't. I just see it for the stupidity it is. Some of you really are accustomed to bending over and taking it! Buying or selling "a piece of metal" can result in the grant of free accomodation for a few years where bending over and taking it will take on a whole new meaning. You might not have one of the occupations listed but you as a RFD are in a position of authority. Being moderator and judging what is allowed here is another position of authority. And you quite rightly demonstrate that authority ( and unquestioned expert knowledge ) by pointing out breaches or possible breaches of the law relating to firearms to many here in other postings. So, would you as RFD sell the item as a piece of metal ? If it were advertised for sale by a member, would you allow the posting or remove it ? |
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Buying or selling "a piece of metal" can result in the grant of free accomodation for a few years where bending over and taking it will take on a whole new meaning. You might not have one of the occupations listed but you as a RFD are in a position of authority. Being moderator and judging what is allowed here is another position of authority. And you quite rightly demonstrate that authority ( and unquestioned expert knowledge ) by pointing out breaches or possible breaches of the law relating to firearms to many here in other postings. So, would you as RFD sell the item as a piece of metal ? If it were advertised for sale by a member, would you allow the posting or remove it ? [/div] I wouldn't sell it as I wouldn't have it. If I did have it, I wouldn't shout about it on the web. If male rape in prisons really goes on, as everyone thinks, why don't you go and do some investigating and nick a few scrotes. You're a rozzer after all! I did not make the laws, they were in place long before I became an RFD. It's a useless piece of metal in it's current format. The fact that everyone's bitching about it and not contacting the seller to inform him that he could end up in a lot of soapy-bubble says more about yourselves than it does me. The guy probably doesn't know that it's a licensable component and could do with being informed, possibly on the QT by someone such as a rozzer like yourself! I seriously doubt he would end up in the pokey...and if he did, would point out the stupid laws we have in place at present. If you do feel so strongly about it, why don't you get up there and nick him, you are a rozzer after all!! If such a part were offered for sale here, I would quietly contact the seller and tell them to dispose of it, not shout about how he's breaking teh lawz. I'm only a RFD, your a Jack booted Nazi. You have more authoritay than me
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Quoted: Quoted: Buying or selling "a piece of metal" can result in the grant of free accomodation for a few years where bending over and taking it will take on a whole new meaning. You might not have one of the occupations listed but you as a RFD are in a position of authority. Being moderator and judging what is allowed here is another position of authority. And you quite rightly demonstrate that authority ( and unquestioned expert knowledge ) by pointing out breaches or possible breaches of the law relating to firearms to many here in other postings. So, would you as RFD sell the item as a piece of metal ? If it were advertised for sale by a member, would you allow the posting or remove it ? [/div] I wouldn't sell it as I wouldn't have it. If I did have it, I wouldn't shout about it on the web. If male rape in prisons really goes on, as everyone thinks, why don't you go and do some investigating and nick a few scrotes. You're a rozzer after all! I did not make the laws, they were in place long before I became an RFD. It's a useless piece of metal in it's current format. The fact that everyone's bitching about it and not contacting the seller to inform him that he could end up in a lot of soapy-bubble says more about yourselves than it does me. The guy probably doesn't know that it's a licensable component and could do with being informed, possibly on the QT by someone such as a rozzer like yourself! I seriously doubt he would end up in the pokey...and if he did, would point out the stupid laws we have in place at present. If you do feel so strongly about it, why don't you get up there and nick him, you are a rozzer after all!! If such a part were offered for sale here, I would quietly contact the seller and tell them to dispose of it, not shout about how he's breaking teh lawz. I'm only a RFD, your a Jack booted Nazi. You have more authoritay than me Funnily enough, I already have e-mailed the vendor. I pointed out that I was not aware whether it was deactivated or not so the advice I was offering was unqualified. Attached for his information the references to "items designed to diminish flash" and "components" in the Firearms Act. And suggested he might want to seek advice before proceeding. Lots of pieces of metal are "useless" on their own. But put together they are capable of being used lethally. Hence the legislation. |
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Am I missing something ? Looks like a Section 5 upper to me ? And the flash hider needs an FAC minimum. If they came off a s5 weapon they are parts of a s5 weapon and are to be treated as such. Wrong... There is case in law that there is no such thing as section 5 components, and that firearm components always revert to the lowest classification, |
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Vendor thanked me for the info but replied that he has seen lots of "spare parts for guns" on sale via EBAY. And if they are doing it then it must be ok.  Well, if it all goes pear shaped for him ( assuming it is not a deactivated or otherwise non-FAC item ) or the buyer, then he cannot say he was not aware............ He infers that he still has a FAC - he will feel a right cnut if he loses it for the sake of £10.49 plus postage. |
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i was always under the impression that once section 5 it was always section 5. Is that not the case then ? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile But if none of the parts has a serial number, then what part is Section 5? all the bits he said (admitted in email) were off a s5 weapon perhaps. Maybe he should just keet his mouth shut and run with it. A little knowledge won't hurt you, but a little bit more can convict you. |
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Quoted: Ah bollox. After a couple of weeks with nothing going on, this thread seemed awesome  I wonder if Fluffy bought it  No - but I did receive an e-mail from the seller. He stated that he ended the listing after speaking with his local firearms licensing officer. |
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Ah bollox. After a couple of weeks with nothing going on, this thread seemed awesome I wonder if Fluffy bought it No - but I did receive an e-mail from the seller. He stated that he ended the listing after speaking with his local firearms licensing officer.
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..must have been a day for it.. my friendly FEO called me yesterday to say he hand't been able to quantify a specific restriction on some land I want to shoot over as a collegue was on holiday and would it be OK if he issued the ticket (a renewal after a 10 year lapse as I quit pistol in '97) with the conditions I had asked for and then varied it (for free) when the info turned up... even better, the whole thing has been turned around in just over 2 weeks.. can't ask for more than that... round of applause for great service 
now, just what to buy..... 
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....on a bank holiday?
..must have been a day for it.. my friendly FEO called me yesterday to say he hand't been able to quantify a specific restriction on some land I want to shoot over as a collegue was on holiday and would it be OK if he issued the ticket (a renewal after a 10 year lapse as I quit pistol in '97) with the conditions I had asked for and then varied it (for free) when the info turned up... even better, the whole thing has been turned around in just over 2 weeks.. can't ask for more than that... round of applause for great service
now, just what to buy..... I've had my FEO call me on a Sunday evening. |
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....on a bank holiday?
..must have been a day for it.. my friendly FEO called me yesterday to say he hand't been able to quantify a specific restriction on some land I want to shoot over as a collegue was on holiday and would it be OK if he issued the ticket (a renewal after a 10 year lapse as I quit pistol in '97) with the conditions I had asked for and then varied it (for free) when the info turned up... even better, the whole thing has been turned around in just over 2 weeks.. can't ask for more than that... round of applause for great service
now, just what to buy..... I've had my FEO call me on a Sunday evening. I had a visit on a Sunday evening. They are there to help, we would be lost without them
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Deactivated pre ban A1 style AR-15? Highly doubtfull, there weren't many deactivated, (IIRC, there were ≤ 200 AR15's that got banninated in total), and those that were deactivated carry very big price tags. Would you break up a very valuable deact for peanuts? Non RFD S1/5 - You couldn't legally
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Ah bollox. After a couple of weeks with nothing going on, this thread seemed awesome I wonder if Fluffy bought it No - but I did receive an e-mail from the seller. He stated that he ended the listing after speaking with his local firearms licensing officer.
....on a bank holiday? ..minimum 4 hours double time on a bank holiday, call me whenever you like.......
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Ah bollox. After a couple of weeks with nothing going on, this thread seemed awesome I wonder if Fluffy bought it No - but I did receive an e-mail from the seller. He stated that he ended the listing after speaking with his local firearms licensing officer.
....on a bank holiday? < JBT Mode ON > Yo dude, you want to sell me your dodgy M16 your selling in bits of Ebay? No questions asked my old son, I'm a plodule of the law so it will be OK. <JBT Mode OFF >
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Ah bollox. After a couple of weeks with nothing going on, this thread seemed awesome I wonder if Fluffy bought it No - but I did receive an e-mail from the seller. He stated that he ended the listing after speaking with his local firearms licensing officer.
....on a bank holiday? < JBT Mode ON > Yo dude, you want to sell me your dodgy M16 your selling in bits of Ebay? No questions asked my old son, I'm a plodule of the law so it will be OK. <JBT Mode OFF >
Surely you meant to say 'reduce into lawful possession in the course of duty'................. |
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Ah bollox. After a couple of weeks with nothing going on, this thread seemed awesome I wonder if Fluffy bought it No - but I did receive an e-mail from the seller. He stated that he ended the listing after speaking with his local firearms licensing officer.
....on a bank holiday? < JBT Mode ON > Yo dude, you want to sell me your dodgy M16 your selling in bits of Ebay? No questions asked my old son, I'm a plodule of the law so it will be OK. <JBT Mode OFF >
Surely you meant to say 'reduce into lawful possession in the course of duty'................. Cough! Cough! |