Posted: 6/18/2008 10:01:08 PM EDT
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Saw this on a billboard this morning Lets hope it's sensible. There's a video trailer which is a bit on the heavy side Watch here Mark |
Glad to see that somebody else gets it. We've allowed the media, the politicians and the power brokers to turn guns into mysterious and phobic objects, and, as long as this culture of fear persists, we'll never live in a truly free society. Moreover, we will neither be "free from violence", nor free in the traditional sense of the word. Gun control, ID cards, data theft, prolonged detention. All are symptoms of the same condition. To the people who propogate this version of society, guns are not simply tools, but rather objects with magical properties. They view guns almost in the same way that "magic" was viewed in the Dark Ages, and like all "dark arts" they believe that ordinary people should not be allowed to be involved with them. This isn't helped by the fact that the vast majority of people in this country have never seen, let alone held or used a gun. as a result, people tend to get their perception of firearms from other sources, and, sadly those sources tend to be either Hollywood action movies or the alarmist "Gunz! noooooooooo!" media. The citizenry will never see the other side of guns, the sporting side. What little they do know of the sport shooter usually comes from stereotypes, and I don't think that the status quo is due for a change any time soon. Basically, the only thing we can do is to put up with our laws, continue shooting for sport, and to try to introduce as many newbies as possible into the fold. Only then will things change. |
I thought they disarmed Britain when they banned pistols  What next.... "the kitchen knife Ban"  What we need is people to have the common sense, social respect and decency not to walk around brandishing firearms and knives at innocent civilians......and if the thick bastards don't learn then everyone is going to end up tooled up just to defend themselves. It's already headed that way.  Vigilante Britain is only round the corner.....  I'm all for bringing as many people to the sport as we can and introduce them to shooting responsibly and with safety as a paramount factor. Safety and responsibility are drummed into us all the minute we start in the sport, no reason why the rest of the population can't learn the same way. Still, it'll be interesting to see what if the media mentality has changed any in the last 10 years.....might watch it. |
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Yeah, i hope they acknowledge that it's the ILLEGAL firearms being used in this sort of sh*t and not the LEGAL ones which sensible, trustworthy shooters have. I hope the government also realises this before they end up banning the sport before i even get to start out,. |
Dream on, these people don't see it that way.... a gun is a gun therefore we're all "Gunmen" Look what happened to Mike Yardley thanks to that marshall-andrews bitch |
N.Ireland is not the RKBA self-defence utopia you all think it is. |
Not even close from what I hear. |
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Gunz gunz gunz, yer all the same you addicts, get a life, not take one. I'd rather surrender my passport than my guns, I'm not an addict, although some have compared me with a certain character on Police academy on many an occasion. If my right to own gunz is taken by the masses I will become a criminal, it is that simple. The stupid thing is, where would I go to practice my sport, planet zanusi, because surely all of the ranges that I have used to date will close. The cowards who are in power just don't get it, when the time comes it will be the Military and Police that forcibly remove them from office, and yes they still have GUNZ. Fuck it. Tony |
here nuff said, sheeple brainwashed to death. Sort of reminds me in a perverted way of the Hitler youth kids shopping their parents for being treasonous. Don't forget, my fingers are always loaded 24/7. Tony |
Well wasn't just about the first thing the new German Federal Republic did in 1950 was to restore the rights of it's citizens to posses handguns and once more allow them to carrry a means of self defence upon their person? Funny how you can plot a pretty good correlation between countries in Europe that have been subjected to Dictators or been invaded and those that want to ban all firearms and outlaw carrying any means of self defence on you in the street. |
You mean the Nottingham thingy??
Yup.....she's as mad a box of frogs......and the best thing that could have happened is that she be appointed to the firearms consultative committee so that everyone can see what a complete lunatic she is..... She gets load s of coverage on the British Bullshit Corporation (BBC) because she's sensationalistic, and all the ghey producers get excited when she's on because she makes good telly and talks utter bollocks.......wonder if Channel 4 will giver hr the same coverage. The more coverage she gets in my view the better our case......she's flippin' mental nuttier than squirrel shit
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That truly was a heavy video. Thanks for the heads up, I'll watch it. Today a Year 7 kids was caught throwing BB pellets around the classroom. The teachers were concerned he had also brought a pistol into school. The young Year 7 kids attitude to it was 'so f'ing what? Me mum knows I gotta gun, she don't give a *hit.' He is the future of our tomorrow. |
Future of your tomorrow… I'm off when I retire to pastures more civilized. Beirut anyone?
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So why doesn't someone (like my uncle Barry, did with me), take him seriously and take him shooting, targets rabbits anything just shunning him will be keeping him out of the inner circle, making another drama in the future probable rather than possible. Now I know why, its the not my responsibility time again. Tony |
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I watched the trailer, Read the quotes "Getting a Gun Has Becom Child's Play" "There Were 9,650 firearms offences in the UK last Year" I do hope this is a sensible documentry and aproches all angles in an non biased way. However I somehow doubt it. Two thing came to my mind. It was 1997 when the government fooled the public into believing that banning pistols would stop gun crime and make the UK a safe place to be. Why has Gun crime contimued to be on the rise ? Its certainly nothing to do with legal firearms in the wrong hands, And how would disarming leagal gun owners reduce crime? Just to get a FAC you have to be squeeky clean, good reason and a visit from an FEO. Im sure its not FAC holders running round shooting up the city at night |
Fine the, dozens of low-crime high-gun ownership US states then. 
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Nah, those thieving B*stards....sorry I meant .Gov make far too much cash from the humble auto, believe me, if Guns made serious revenue for the .Gov we'd all be armed to the teeth. |
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I linked the story about the lad who forgave his dad for calling the Police after finding ammo in his room, he was up in court today and got three years, and his dad (the grass doesn't think it's a fair sentence. You have to watch the film. WTF did he think was going to happen, at least the judge didn't give him the 5 years that is the mandatory sentence. Here I will never forget that blood is thicker than water and the Police and CPS are not even air. The gun was still sealed in a bag, no finger prints...... One can only hope that the dad is mighty proud while his son is doing stir. Tony |
Okie Dokie, I'm off to Toys R Us then… "I'll take a 9mm HP and a SIG552 Mr shop serf…" |
You forgot to order ammo and the mags etc. Tony |
If I could have only one EBR, (Technically "EGR" because it's not black) I'd have a Sig 551/552. |
What's your point? The lad had an illegal firearm.......presumably for criminal intent although that hasn't been proved. Tough call for his dad and while I have no doubt he is seriously feeling some inner turmoil and sadness, at least he has stopped his son, or somebody elses son from getting shot in some silly bloody dispute. Not a decision I would like to have to make, but all credit to him for making it.
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Morning Phil, My point is that a 19 year old from Arizona or Augsburg or Bern or Salzburg can legally own weapons, and I think that quite a few of the 9,000+ firearms offenses that have been prosecuted have had a lot more to do with illegal possession than serious crimes committed with firearms. You can beat the devil into someone or turn them into criminals by changing the law. As to the 42 day internment, which still pisses me off no end and probably has nothing at all to do with 'Disarming Britain' other than if you were still respected by the elected officials you may have had a referendum/vote to decide it, the house of Lord's of the past would have thrown it out but the sheeple there today are clean(ish) and paid for.... I see a future where there are internment camp's not all that hard to do, look at the POW camps of WW2 or even the holiday resort at Guantanamo bay. It sounds like bull until they come for you, and all around you, your family, friends and acquaintances, all think you are guilty because they don't go around locking up the innocent, right, and nobody will help you. I think that the way things are going and that they have been allowed to go so far so fast at a relatively unchecked pace will mean that almost anything is possible. Tony |
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I may have upset the applecart a bit with my previous posting. While I was in the Army one of the REME Craftsmen attached to my Regiment, a brilliant bloke, always a bundle of laughs fell on hard times, DUI, girlfriend left him, due to loss of pay/driving license etc etc. He went AWOL, went home from BFG to his family for some TLC, his dads idea of helping his son was calling the Police, who took him into custody, they found his body hanging in the cells the next morning as he had hanged himself during the night. I don't have any idea how much his dad lived to regret his decisions, his son was one of the most remarkable people that I had met until that time in my life (early 20's), and I have often though about him and what happened. If they had given him some time and help to come to terms with his situation maybe he'd still be alive today.Here is the latest clip from the BBC, I feel for the dad, don't think he made the right decision, but that is my opinion. Tony |
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Sad story about your mate in the Army, Tony. When someone takes their own life the devastation caused falls far and wide. Calling the police for going AWOL does seem a bit harsh....it's not like he had set out to cause harm, more like seek help and not exactly criminal behaviour. I fail to see why the father who shopped his son for illegal firearms posession should be criticised though. Fact is if the lad hadn't had the gun his father wouldn't have been put in that position in the first place. If the lad has committed offences, it should not be up to somone else to incriminate themselves by covering up/committing perjury to protect the criminal behviour involved and to expect it of a family member is dispicable. That is exactly what is wrong with this country.......nobody takes responsibility for their actions anymore and the fallout lands with everybody round them. Couple that with a judicial system thats a joke and police force that is trying to fight crime with both hands tied and you have a recipe for a nightmare. If anything the son bears all the blame for putting his families into a compromising position and not giving a fuck about the consequences. Imagine finding a pistol (of unknown origin and history) with ammuntion in your home under your sons bed. I'd be bloody livid if I was put in that position, and to be honest I don't know how I would react. But now imagine your 8 year old kid finds it and blows his little sister's head off while playing cops and robbers....it happened in Manchester last year......not the kind of consequences anybody should have to live with. I still think the whole things falls down lack of respect and and an unwillingness to accept the consequences of ones actions, by blaming society or shifting the blame onto others around them. I dare say if I was in the position of that father I might be dealing with the same points you have raised before taking my chosen action. There but for the grace of God go we. ETA (500 posts.....woohoo...  ) |
I would certainly make sure it arrived into the custody of the police, but given the way our legal system prefers to kick shit out of the law abiding rather then the baddies, I would not say it had been in my house. It would probably be deposited in a safe place and an anonymous call made from a phone box out of camera view. |
Out of Camara view?, all the best!!! 
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Why are you putting them back on the streets? |