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5/5/2008 4:08:18 AM EDT
Those of you who have had them a while now, have you found any real advantages/disadvantages between the AR format and the AUG ???

Does each rifle have advantages depending on discipline ???

Honest opinions guys, i'm interested in an AUG now.

Thank you in advance

Tim.........
5/5/2008 9:26:48 AM EDT
[#1]
Not sure i could get away with just left hand cocking...  once right hand cocking becomes more commonplace I might be tempted myself..
5/5/2008 9:36:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Can the AUG's be shot from the weak shoulder in their normal RH configuration or are they limited to the right-hand shoulder like the SA80?

If not then it could be a problem if you shoot PR comps. (I've only ever entered two PR comps and both featured weak shoulder stages, during which I was thankful for LH AR cocking...

Cheers
Steven
5/5/2008 2:27:35 PM EDT
[#3]

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Can the AUG's be shot from the weak shoulder in their normal RH configuration or are they limited to the right-hand shoulder like the SA80?

If not then it could be a problem if you shoot PR comps. (I've only ever entered two PR comps and both featured weak shoulder stages, during which I was thankful for LH AR cocking...

Cheers
Steven


I hear you can switch the ejector port on an AUG in about two minutes with no tools...
5/5/2008 3:17:28 PM EDT
[#4]

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I hear you can switch the ejector port on an AUG in about two minutes with no tools...


You can switch the port cover in less than 2 minutes - but you'd still need a left hand bolt assembly...

Without a doubt, the AR is more versatile - but the AUG is a very good rifle as well. I tried a Leupold 4.5-16x scope on mine, and it was very accurate with standard RG ammunition. (Repeated sub-MoA 5 round groups at 200 yards.) The trigger takes a bit of getting used to, as does the balance - but it would be no problem at all for a discipline like Service Rifle.
5/5/2008 11:51:10 PM EDT
[#5]

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I hear you can switch the ejector port on an AUG in about two minutes with no tools...


But you can't really do that during a COF...

You can switch the port cover in less than 2 minutes - but you'd still need a left hand bolt assembly...

Without a doubt, the AR is more versatile - but the AUG is a very good rifle as well. I tried a Leupold 4.5-16x scope on mine, and it was very accurate with standard RG ammunition. (Repeated sub-MoA 5 round groups at 200 yards.) The trigger takes a bit of getting used to, as does the balance - but it would be no problem at all for a discipline like Service Rifle.


Impressive performance Nick ! I like the AUG's, would have one myself if I could
wangle it...
5/6/2008 1:41:30 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
...I like the AUG's, would have one myself if I could wangle it...


Don't worry - I imagine they'll be a load of second hand ones around soon from people that bought one and the novelty has worn off!!
5/6/2008 9:47:18 AM EDT
[#7]
Tim,

You read my mind, had a good look at one last week in MK, very nice.
5/6/2008 9:49:48 AM EDT
[#8]

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Tim,

You read my mind, had a good look at one last week in MK, very nice.


Are you down Sat Mike, I need to see you ???????  

Thought this thread may of had a better response  

Thanks to those who have contributed
5/6/2008 10:43:52 AM EDT
[#9]
Tim

I purposelessly avoided answering this thread because I would have said something like, 'the semi version don't need a ambidextrous cocking handle', which would have got me a good verbal kicking. OHHHHHHHHHH sugar, me and my big gob.

Tony.
5/6/2008 12:11:13 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Tim

I purposelessly avoided answering this thread because I would have said something like, 'the semi version don't need a ambidextrous cocking handle', which would have got me a good verbal kicking. OHHHHHHHHHH sugar, me and my big gob.

Tony.


Actually, I don't think it really needs ambi cocking. Unlike an AR, if you remove your left hand from the AUG to operate the cocking handle the barrel doesn't end up pointing at the floor. Your right hand can easily keep it pointing at the target by itself! (It's obviously not so handy if your left arm was tight in a sling - but I did say the AR was more versatile...)
5/6/2008 1:07:02 PM EDT
[#11]
Well I haven't actually shot the ZSP but had years of using the 9mm & 5.56mm semi-auto's. I never found the trigger that bad, but I didn't know any better, although I would be tempted to improve it with a trigger tamer.

I would settle for standard cocking, just with an extension  handle like Mark fits, or similar. Even then, I can't imagine how you'd cock it with your right hand for shooting weak shoulder.

It can be shot with a sling, it just passes under the shooting arm, around the back and over the cocking/supporting arms' shoulder. I also used to pass the sling outboard of the sight mount and back under the sight itself to keep the sling away from the cocking handle, which might be even more relevant with the ZSP. It can cetainly be supported in the shoulder with only one hand whilst cocking, without any trouble at all.

Having a bit of trigger time on my AR now I would be equally happy with either. Things that strike me are;

The AR is a faster mag change, but not by much. There are more 'go faster' bits for it, so it has more play value, and can presently be finer tuned, triggers etc

imho the AUG/ZSP is way better balanced and great for multi-positional shooting and easier to run with.

With both able to have 20" barrels and similar bolt systems I wouldn't have thought there would be much to choose between them for accuracy. I was pleasantly surprised to be hitting Fig 14's at 400yds with my AR, but I never had cause or opportunity to shoot my 5.56mm AUG beyond 200m, although I recall it was very accurate at that range with good groups.

I'm rambling now so I'll stop..........................
5/7/2008 3:16:37 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Well I haven't actually shot the ZSP but had years of using the 9mm & 5.56mm semi-auto's. I never found the trigger that bad, but I didn't know any better, although I would be tempted to improve it with a trigger tamer.

I would settle for standard cocking, just with an extension  handle like Mark fits, or similar. Even then, I can't imagine how you'd cock it with your right hand for shooting weak shoulder.

It can be shot with a sling, it just passes under the shooting arm, around the back and over the cocking/supporting arms' shoulder. I also used to pass the sling outboard of the sight mount and back under the sight itself to keep the sling away from the cocking handle, which might be even more relevant with the ZSP. It can cetainly be supported in the shoulder with only one hand whilst cocking, without any trouble at all.

Having a bit of trigger time on my AR now I would be equally happy with either. Things that strike me are;

The AR is a faster mag change, but not by much. There are more 'go faster' bits for it, so it has more play value, and can presently be finer tuned, triggers etc

imho the AUG/ZSP is way better balanced and great for multi-positional shooting and easier to run with.

With both able to have 20" barrels and similar bolt systems I wouldn't have thought there would be much to choose between them for accuracy. I was pleasantly surprised to be hitting Fig 14's at 400yds with my AR, but I never had cause or opportunity to shoot my 5.56mm AUG beyond 200m, although I recall it was very accurate at that range with good groups.

I'm rambling now so I'll stop..........................


Kiwi/Aussie Army or when they where legal in the UK?
5/7/2008 8:22:31 AM EDT
[#13]
Nope. Pleece

We had them until we re-equipped with the H&K MP5K for our 9mm requirement, good move, and the H&K G36C for our 5.56mm requirement, bad move.................
5/7/2008 2:28:11 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Nope. Pleece

We had them until we re-equipped with the H&K MP5K for our 9mm requirement, good move, and the H&K G36C for our 5.56mm requirement, bad move.................


I'll have to call you Nick Angel from now on.
5/7/2008 3:06:35 PM EDT
[#15]

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Nope. Pleece

We had them until we re-equipped with the H&K MP5K for our 9mm requirement, good move, and the H&K G36C for our 5.56mm requirement, bad move.................


I'll have to call you Nick Angel from now on.


...only if you never intend to visit this country....................
5/7/2008 11:50:33 PM EDT
[#16]

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Nope. Pleece

We had them until we re-equipped with the H&K MP5K for our 9mm requirement, good move, and the H&K G36C for our 5.56mm requirement, bad move.................


I'll have to call you Nick Angel from now on.


...only if you never intend to visit this country....................



Do you want somethin' from the shop?
5/8/2008 12:08:54 AM EDT
[#17]

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Nope. Pleece

We had them until we re-equipped with the H&K MP5K for our 9mm requirement, good move, and the H&K G36C for our 5.56mm requirement, bad move.................


I'll have to call you Nick Angel from now on.


...only if you never intend to visit this country....................



Do you want somethin' from the shop?


AHH! BRAIN FREEZE!

Loved that movie.
5/8/2008 9:00:30 AM EDT
[#18]
Hey up, I was in Austria again today, and drove past, yes you guessed it, The factory where the AUG's are made.....

Tony
5/8/2008 11:20:38 AM EDT
[#19]

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Hey up, I was in Austria again today, and drove past, yes you guessed it, The factory where the AUG's are made.....

Tony


Bollox
5/8/2008 11:54:39 PM EDT
[#20]
I've been to Lithgow Arsenel (Home of the SMLE, the SLR and the Aussteyr.)