Posted: 6/15/2014 6:51:27 PM EDT
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Just curious......realizing ya'll have a shitload of critters that can eat people without a hell of a lot of difficulty.......or just stomp 'em to death....(Moose)
would you be comfortable carying an AR15 pattern carbine chambered in .460 Rowland for protection in the bush.......16 inch barrel ....about 1350 feet per second, 230 grain bullet....probably hardball rather than hollow point. Roughly 950 foot pounds at the muzzle.Take into consideration a 30 round magazine..... Thanks in advance for honest evaluations/opinions/assesments...... 
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AR45 lower by CNC Guns , M3 Grease Gun mags, and a locked breech DI upper made by me. 30 rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger without the worry of an out of battery discharge possible with most blowback pistol calibers.........they run cleaner and significantly redusce recoil as well.......
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Open to suggestions .......say your top 5.....
I was leaning that way as I have carried an AR/M16 platform rifle in some form or another for the last 30 years.......and everything about it is second nature to me......I can even install the fire control group blindfolded.....
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I do not care for the grease gun mags personally. I find them a pain in the butt to load and it's the main reason i do not shoot my grease gun that much. The length of the mag seems extraordinarily long and 30rds seems optimistic in getting half the amount of shots off if needed. Unless you have a flock of bears coming after you. |
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Best choice. Use Brenneke 3" slugs if at all possible. Quoted:
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Been giving it some thought....reckon my 1897 Winchester trench gun with slugs will be the ticket......... Best choice. Use Brenneke 3" slugs if at all possible. I`ve seen pictures where that slug didn`t fair very well. The good ole 45 Colt rifle did the job tho. |
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I've personally witnessed .357 magnum bounce off a grizzley's skill at a kill shot range of 2 feet. Just zipped around the skill under the skin. But then again I've also seen a .338WM deflected off a grizzly skull. Lesson - don't aim for the top of the head, thickest bone they got. If you carry a .357/.44 or such, at least try to get some solid brass bullet cartridges or HEAVY hard cast because you are going to need as much penetration as possible, hopefully even cracking bone so it can't come after you instead of killing you as it's dying. While I advocate shotguns and heavy lever actions for defense (bolt for offense), I've only ever had to crack off a shot over their heads 3 times in my life, and the bear went the other way. However I have spent more than a decade in close quarters with Polar bears and they aren't scared of anyone, or anything for long. Black bears are smaller but I think more ornery. Some people hunt them with 44's or bows. If I did, I'd have one or two guys backing me up with heavy artillery. |
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Been giving it some thought....reckon my 1897 Winchester trench gun with slugs will be the ticket......... Best choice. Use Brenneke 3" slugs if at all possible. I`ve seen pictures where that slug didn`t fair very well. The good ole 45 Colt rifle did the job tho. Please do tell. I have stuck a shit ton of 3" Black Magic's in a lot of stuff and its arguably the best slug available! Until that day, Darkop |
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Quoted: Please do tell. I have stuck a shit ton of 3" Black Magic's in a lot of stuff and its arguably the best slug available! Until that day, Darkop Quoted: I`ve seen pictures where that slug didn`t fair very well. The good ole 45 Colt rifle did the job tho. Please do tell. I have stuck a shit ton of 3" Black Magic's in a lot of stuff and its arguably the best slug available! Until that day, Darkop I don't expect any particular projectile to work all the time in every situation. There is always the possibility that in one particular instance something will work better or worse than you would expect, but such an exception does not override a proven record of good or poor performance by a particular projectile. I know someone who once hunted and shot a bear with a PS90; one shot. I met a guy who hunted and killed a polar bear with a Winchester 9422. I have spoken with a couple people who have hammered a bear with a very suitable cartridge like a .45-70 or .338; good shot placement, and the bullet did not have the desired effect. Based on those single events, I could assume that it is better to hunt bears with .22s and 5.7s than with .45-70s or .338s. I hammered a bear in self defense with a .30-40 Krag. Three shots in about a second-and-a-half, and the bear stopped trying to breath 30 seconds later 6 feet from where the first shot hit him, dropped where the third shot hit him. After that, If I suspected I might need to defend myself from a bear, I'm still reaching past the .30-40 Krag for a .45-70 every time. I don't believe in a single use proving anything conclusively. |
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I also would be interested in this info. I have heard only good about those slugs from multiple sources, and while there is lots of hype out there on some ammunition, a lot of what I have heard seems to come from actual use. If there is opposing data, I would like to know. I don't expect any particular projectile to work all the time in every situation. There is always the possibility that in one particular instance something will work better or worse than you would expect, but such an exception does not override a proven record of good or poor performance by a particular projectile. I know someone who once hunted and shot a bear with a PS90; one shot. I met a guy who hunted and killed a polar bear with a Winchester 9422. I have spoken with a couple people who have hammered a bear with a very suitable cartridge like a .45-70 or .338; good shot placement, and the bullet did not have the desired effect. Based on those single events, I could assume that it is better to hunt bears with .22s and 5.7s than with .45-70s or .338s. I hammered a bear in self defense with a .30-40 Krag. Three shots in about a second-and-a-half, and the bear stopped trying to breath 30 seconds later 6 feet from where the first shot hit him, dropped where the third shot hit him. After that, If I suspected I might need to defend myself from a bear, I'm still reaching past the .30-40 Krag for a .45-70 every time. I don't believe in a single use proving anything conclusively. Quoted:
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I`ve seen pictures where that slug didn`t fair very well. The good ole 45 Colt rifle did the job tho. Please do tell. I have stuck a shit ton of 3" Black Magic's in a lot of stuff and its arguably the best slug available! Until that day, Darkop I don't expect any particular projectile to work all the time in every situation. There is always the possibility that in one particular instance something will work better or worse than you would expect, but such an exception does not override a proven record of good or poor performance by a particular projectile. I know someone who once hunted and shot a bear with a PS90; one shot. I met a guy who hunted and killed a polar bear with a Winchester 9422. I have spoken with a couple people who have hammered a bear with a very suitable cartridge like a .45-70 or .338; good shot placement, and the bullet did not have the desired effect. Based on those single events, I could assume that it is better to hunt bears with .22s and 5.7s than with .45-70s or .338s. I hammered a bear in self defense with a .30-40 Krag. Three shots in about a second-and-a-half, and the bear stopped trying to breath 30 seconds later 6 feet from where the first shot hit him, dropped where the third shot hit him. After that, If I suspected I might need to defend myself from a bear, I'm still reaching past the .30-40 Krag for a .45-70 every time. I don't believe in a single use proving anything conclusively. 762 I agree with everything you just posted. The other thing few people take into account is bullet construction. I have only been poking holes in critters for about 35 years but have come to the conclusion that hard cast, flat nose lead for the big bores and barnes "X" & Tipped "X" bullets have worked very well for me over the years. Now when it comes to fur I like thin jackets like a VMAX or Varmint grenade. .17 HMR's are poison for small to medium fur critters. Until that day, Darkop I apologize for the hijack, just got carried away! |
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Quoted: Any more info on the .460 Roland? I'm leaning more toward getting a 1911 and/or Glock with the conversion already done. I think it is an interesting option for the advantage of the pistols it is chambered in. I know that I am more proficient with a semi-auto pistol than a revolver, though I carry a revolver in the woods. I just train more with a semi-auto. So it is appealing to me for that reason. |
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Quoted: . . . AR15 pattern carbine chambered in .460 Rowland for protection in the bush.......16 inch barrel ....about 1350 feet per second, 230 grain bullet . . . So it looks like, similar to the .45 ACP, the .460 Rowland reaches its max velocity in a very short barrel? |
| Planning an extended visit eventually......I like to carry what I make......I am also working on a .357 AR....180 grain bullet at 2200+ FPS with 28 to 30 in the mag..... Still need to have production cases, reamers and dies made up for it...just haven't had the R&D budget..... |
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Been giving it some thought....reckon my 1897 Winchester trench gun with slugs will be the ticket......... Best choice. Use Brenneke 3" slugs if at all possible. I`ve seen pictures where that slug didn`t fair very well. The good ole 45 Colt rifle did the job tho. Please do tell. I have stuck a shit ton of 3" Black Magic's in a lot of stuff and its arguably the best slug available! Until that day, Darkop Here's the complete story with pictures. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4689118/all/Slugs_on_Bears |