Posted: 10/26/2010 5:38:52 PM EDT
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While it may be a small issue I'm getting tired defending you only to have it come out that you lied about your work history. This kind of stuff in the last week is hell to spin and recover from; it'll be beat to death all week on the TV and radio. I think employee records are off limits myself, and I have made PLENTY of mistakes, but you've gotta own them, fess up, take your lumps, and move on. Sweeping under the rug in hopes that the Dems don't uncover it is suicide; they have way more dirty players than you!
http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-miller-docs-released-102610,0,7251513.story Miller admits to computer use and lying in released documents- JUNEAU, Alaska — Alaska Senate hopeful Joe Miller admitted to improperly using three government computers over a lunch break to participate in a political poll, then cleaning the caches to try to cover up the activities. Miller, in a March 2008 statement to Fairbanks North Star Borough Attorney Rene Broker, said he'd lied about accessing all the computers initially when asked and about the reasons for why he used them. He said he understood his actions were wrong and was willing to accept "whatever punishment" was deemed appropriate. Records released by court order Tuesday and obtained by media organizations including The Associated Press under open records requests and a subsequent lawsuit show Broker suspended him for three days and referred him to an employee assistance program. Broker acknowledged Miller had been under "significant stress" the last few months that had affected his judgment. |
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at least he manned at the time and accepted responsibility we all do things we aren't proud of you know Lisa still swears that the land she bought on the Kenai was at market value I haven't heard anything recently about it but at the time she was argueing that she was buying it at the assessed value, and she might have. I actually agreed that if she bought it at the assessed value there was nothing wrong with the sale. If the price is that far out of wack with the market value then the borough should be out reassessing the values of everyones property. Not really any experience in real estate but 2 of the 3 times I have purchased property it has been at an assessed rate which both times were below market value. with that said i kinda hope that after she loses she finds some nice property to buy and settle down in...in some other state Nik I kinda think that Joe just has really bad handlers kinda like Sarah |
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Nik I kinda think that Joe just has really bad handlers kinda like Sarah I'm thinking the same thing. The public loves a candidate that admits mistakes; it makes them human. But the public will hang onto the slightest gaff or white lie even when a massive issue on the other side is staring them in the face! |
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Nik I kinda think that Joe just has really bad handlers kinda like Sarah I'm thinking the same thing. The public loves a candidate that admits mistakes; it makes them human. But the public will hang onto the slightest gaff or white lie even when a massive issue on the other side is staring them in the face! I'm starting to think there are no worthy candidates this go around.....Granted there is one that appears better up front than the others, but this kind of crap is pathetic. Like Nik said, it's hard to try and argue in his favor and defend what he says when this stuff surfaces. I was talking to a friend today that lived in Tok years ago when Joe had goings on in that area. Much like the article, there were many issues brought up regarding honesty. Made me start thinking. Then later in the day this news breaks. I'd like to wipe the slate clean and have a new panel to pick from. How come there isn't an option to vote that is marked "I choose none of the above, I'd like another group to pick from that have actually been vetted and cleared before nominations". Everyone makes mistakes as mentioned above - just own up to them (which he seems to have done back then, although very sluggishly and after trying to minimize it), and then when you find yourself running for public office - bring it out up front so it's dealt with and not as big a deal. Don't try to cover it up and hide it - he'll fit right in with the Washington crowd. |
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You said lunch hour, so what he was on his time all he did was use the stupid computers, hell the mayor was probably looking at porn That's correct, all he did was use the 3 computers on his lunch break. But they were borough computers and he used them for partisan politics, again to me no big deal since he wasn't on the clock at the time. But he lied about doing it, tried to clear the computer cache, and only when confronted with evidence did he admit his actions (according to KTUU anyway). I could give two shits about the computer use, its the lying to cover your tracks that turns me off. Don't get me wrong I'm still voting for Joe, but I just can't be as enthusiastic about him anymore. |
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Is it just me, or is this a terribly trite violation of ethics law?
It seems an easy one to run afoul of, as many folks sits in front of a work computer every day for hours on end. How many of us have done this? It is easy to click on the IE icon and surf, and Joe obviously is interested in politics. It seems all transgressions of Ethic Law have the same gravity, whether a few counts of murder 1 or spitting on the sidewalk. |
Of course its a trivial issue; to me the action isn't the issue at all...although the 3 computers he used were those of his coworkers without their knowledge and that wasn't cool. The simple point is that he lied about it when asked instead of just admitting his mistake. But what REALLY pisses me off is that during this final week, when many people are finally turning in, THIS is what is being discussed on the radio, TV, and paper instead of the major differences between the candidates. Today I saw a subaru with Obama stickers all over it with the bumper sticker "Murkowski, she's my Democrat". If most of the Dems vote for her + a lot of Republicans then Joe is sunk  Rally your buddies and make sure Joe supporters get to the polls!
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I have no clue how to imbed links for youtube, but this is a good one
How do you spell murkowski |
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Trivial? honesty is not fucking trivial...
How about this... "yeah, I voted to oust the guy from the Republican party because he fucking sucked... here's a list of reasons why." "yes, what I did, and the way I went about it was wrong, but, at the time, I felt it was what's best." "I've learned from this mistake, it was a lapse in judgement, and it will never, EVER, happen again." Fucking END OF STORY. But when I hear shit like, "i don't want to talk about my past... blah, blah, blah." I start to question the guys integrity. Look, i... of all people... know the world of under the table deals and operating in the gray. But, when you get caught doing that shit.... you had better fucking own up to it and take the hit yourself without throwing others under the fucking bus. SEE: Ollie North on how to conduct yourself when the shit hits the fan. |
Ahhh...6 more days. 
My biggest worry with Joe....... Is he going to be just like Sarah? All show and no go. That's what scares me the most. However, with everything that Lisa and the people out there that hate Joe have dug up and thrown at the guy, I haven't seen anything that gives me enough indication that he wouldn't vote the way we need him to. The dangers that we face as a nation put all of us in a critical position of choosing wisely right now. Therefore, I will cast my vote for the best option we have right now...Joe Miller. |
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I can't tell you how glad I am to see this thread. I was really starting to worry that people were just going to blindly follow joe because they believe in the things that he SAYS he stands for. I believe in the things he SAYS he stands for.
I'm starting to think he doesn't actually stand for those things. Every value he campaigned on that means alot to me, he has done something to damage my belief in him. He filed indigent status for a license to save a few bucks at the same time he bought property in willow, which he has hidden through some fancy paperwork. He is supposedly a fiscal conservative, but he has 50 to 100 thousand in credit card debt. And he WAS NOT on his lunch break. He was a part time employee who did not get lunch breaks. Not to mention that he was violating the ethics laws, and he's a goddamn lawyer. Then he repeatedly lied until it was obvious he was caught red handed and then still lied about the why of it. And he did not own up to it, he lied about it, told us he would not answer questions about it, then lied to CNN and told them he was on a lunch break, then only told the truth to us Alaskans when he knew the Judge was going to release the evidence. I agree with having a "none of the above" bubble to fill in. Let's get us a candidate who actually lives the values that Joe was pretending to have lived. I wanted to vote for this guy, but he's really making it difficult for me. Personally, I think he lost this race when he told Alaskans he would no longer be answering questions about his past. |
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Trivial? honesty is not fucking trivial... How about this... "yeah, I voted to oust the guy from the Republican party because he fucking sucked... here's a list of reasons why." "yes, what I did, and the way I went about it was wrong, but, at the time, I felt it was what's best." "I've learned from this mistake, it was a lapse in judgement, and it will never, EVER, happen again." Fucking END OF STORY. But when I hear shit like, "i don't want to talk about my past... blah, blah, blah." I start to question the guys integrity. Look, i... of all people... know the world of under the table deals and operating in the gray. But, when you get caught doing that shit.... you had better fucking own up to it and take the hit yourself without throwing others under the fucking bus. SEE: Ollie North on how to conduct yourself when the shit hits the fan. There are other places in Joe's career where just attempting to lie and cover up what you do would be the end. I didn't go to West Point, but I did go to a different service academy and they all have the same general idea when it comes to honor and integrity. If you flat out lie about something and then jump around the truth until just before it's going to be brought out anyway, you're done. If you did something wrong, you're better off coming right out with it, especially when confronted. Hell, sometimes knowing you fucked up and hoping no one finds out (when they eventually do) is worse than fessing up right away. What do you think would have happened to Joe if he had broken Army policy/UCMJ as an officer and then been less than honest when questioned with it? Hello letter of reprimand, passed over for promotion, and involuntarily separated (at the least). He has campaigned on the prestige of being a West Point Graduate and former Army Officer but failed to hold himself to those standards. Quoted:
I agree with having a "none of the above" bubble to fill in. Let's get us a candidate who actually lives the values that Joe was pretending to have lived. Think we can get a petition going for the next ballot?  I don't know if I can vote for someone who doesn't hold themselves to the personal honor/ethics they claim to believe in. I hate to be a passenger who doesn't do their civic duty and vote, but I don't see the point in voting for a 1) liberal, 2) heiress, or 3) liar. Hello non-affiliated candidate.
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What about Sean Parnell? Broke the law and will not fess up that he did. He just gets a pass? Everyone still voting for him?
How about Sarah? People still going to support her when she runs for President? She's a liar too. See where I'm going with this? It's just politics guys. Just saying... 
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What about Sean Parnell? Broke the law and will not fess up that he did. He just gets a pass? Everyone still voting for him? Actually, I didn't vote for him. How about Sarah? People still going to support her when she runs for President? She's a liar too.
I would absolutely not support her in a bid for Presidency See where I'm going with this?
It's just politics guys. Not really... since it's "just politics" lying is okay? Just saying...
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My point is that the media is only focused on Joe Miller right now. It's politics. They don't want Joe, so they will do everything in their power to destroy the guy. Meanwhile, the other candidates are getting a pass. ALL the candidates have something in there past that could potentially destroy them politically if enough focus was brought to it. No one is perfect. So we have to weigh whether we will give Joe the chance to prove himself, or just sit back and let the country keep going down the toilet. It's a risk. No doubt. But we know what we've got right now, and that's ruining our country. 
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Maybe he's not perfect I don't know. What I do know is that Scott mcadams just wants to kiss obamas ass and get the benefits of that and receive an enormous salary while doing it. Lisa just wants to heal her ego and has no problem giving no bid govt contracts and free land to native corps in exchange for votes. Joe Miller appears to be trying to fix a broken system and maybe what he says is just blowing smoke but maybe it's not. We know for a fact what we get with the other two and it's not something I want. Therefore Joe Miller will be receiving my vote, my family's vote, and every other vote possible in my sphere of influence.
I know that the people spending day and night trying to dig up dirt on Miller could find a whole lot more on me or most people I know than they have found on Joe. I know there's there's a whole lot more on the other two if anyone bothered to look into them. |
| The canidate that the liberal papers and "news" outlets are trying to destroy is the right canidate to vote for. They have succeded in making this election not about the issues at all and turned all us conservatives into a bunch of stone throwers. Get a grip people, guy went to West Point and has a Bronze Star. He's not a saint and he's not Jesus, but he's the best choice of the three by a long shot. |
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now that im not on a work computer i can reply(danm hatch act, heard a guy in Cali got popped and fired from his "certain employees " job for minor violation, warning to those who know what hatch is). seems to me that this election I can choose the lesser of 3 evils. (why cant i at least get a neutral or even a good on my ballot??). heiress who seems to not listen to people. noob who stands against what I think would be best. or potential ethical problems guy who stands for what I think is best in most areas but might self destruct via ethical problems.
what is parnell;s ethical thing? |
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Ahhh...6 more days.
My biggest worry with Joe....... Is he going to be just like Sarah? All show and no go. That's what scares me the most. However, with everything that Lisa and the people out there that hate Joe have dug up and thrown at the guy, I haven't seen anything that gives me enough indication that he wouldn't vote the way we need him to. The dangers that we face as a nation put all of us in a critical position of choosing wisely right now. Therefore, I will cast my vote for the best option we have right now...Joe Miller. I laugh about people not likeing Sarah but when the cost of fuel was crazy and she had all state residents issued an additional 1200 bucks everyone thought she was better than sliced bread. After she quit being gov because of all the bogus ethics shit ya'll hated her. Why don't ya give the State back the funds she give to ya |
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Why don't ya give the State back the funds she give to ya Cause it's my money she was returning....and I bought ammo with it I thought it was a good deal for the residents of our state, I didn't hear of any others offering to give their residents funds to help heat their homes. Thats where mine went. People bitch about how horrible she was, and yet she still promotes our fine state |
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Ahhh...6 more days.
My biggest worry with Joe....... Is he going to be just like Sarah? All show and no go. That's what scares me the most. However, with everything that Lisa and the people out there that hate Joe have dug up and thrown at the guy, I haven't seen anything that gives me enough indication that he wouldn't vote the way we need him to. The dangers that we face as a nation put all of us in a critical position of choosing wisely right now. Therefore, I will cast my vote for the best option we have right now...Joe Miller. I laugh about people not likeing Sarah but when the cost of fuel was crazy and she had all state residents issued an additional 1200 bucks everyone thought she was better than sliced bread. After she quit being gov because of all the bogus ethics shit ya'll hated her. Why don't ya give the State back the funds she give to ya I know you joined up recently so you may not know. I was heavily involved in Sarah's campaign for Governor, was a member of her Transition Team, and had a front row seat to her trainwreck of an administration while she was in office. Believe me...She is not the person she portrays herself to be. She did many things to portray herself as a deeply caring person, and that she was one of us. It was a total freakin smoke screen. I'm glad the money helped you though, as some surely needed it. |