Posted: 11/27/2014 10:54:34 PM EDT
|
For yous alls that have plastic cards, do they have anything on the back?
Magnetic strip or other? I don't think I've ever actually seen one. Floyd county still doesn't offer them and I was thinking of trying to see if I can get a thing going to see if I can get them to get one. Need to have an idea of what exactly they would need to know what the cost would be. Thanks. |
|
Additional $10 is fine.
My paper permit has a couple of places that are illegible and one of them is in the permit number. Is it a "V" or a "W"? I don't know. What I need an idea of is how much the printer might cost so when they say "we can't afford it" I can have some sort of an idea how to counter that point. |
| Clinton county has on the back Full name, type of permit (non-professional or whatever type it is), NTN#, Issue date, Expiration date. They used their county employee id badges and machine to make them as the basis for the permit and had a patch of some sort made for the software to enable them to do the permit. |
| Been trying to get Chickasaw County to issue them too-I'd be happy to pay an extra $10 or so. Don't want plastic? Fine, don't pay, you get paper. As long as the extra fee is kept as an option no problem. If they'd send out a survey to permit holders I'd be willing to bet they'd get enough positive responses for forecasted fees to cover any costs needed. |
|
Something to think about. I'm told by my sheriff's department that the card itself is not a permit. The card only verifies that you have a permit. You will still need to produce the actual permit if required to do so. Check your area and see if you get the same answer. It may surprise you!
|
| I had to turn in my actual paper permit when I got my plastic card...they would not allow me to get the plastic card until I turned in the paper permit. Pissed me off actually and have thought about going back again and telling them that I lost my plastic permit and want to just get a paper copy of my permit as I don't want to spend $10 again, that would give me one of each and I'd keep the paper permit in my NFA book since it's always with me when I go shooting. |
|
Quoted:
Something to think about. I'm told by my sheriff's department that the card itself is not a permit. The card only verifies that you have a permit. You will still need to produce the actual permit if required to do so. Check your area and see if you get the same answer. It may surprise you! No. The plastic card is an alternate form specified by DPS. Your sheriff's department is misinformed. |
|
Quoted:
No. The plastic card is an alternate form specified by DPS. Your sheriff's department is misinformed. Quoted:
Quoted:
Something to think about. I'm told by my sheriff's department that the card itself is not a permit. The card only verifies that you have a permit. You will still need to produce the actual permit if required to do so. Check your area and see if you get the same answer. It may surprise you! No. The plastic card is an alternate form specified by DPS. Your sheriff's department is misinformed. I am pretty certain Spart is 100% correct on this. Any Sheriff's dept. that required you to turn in your paper permit owes you a paper permit. |
|
Quoted: Something to think about. I'm told by my sheriff's department that the card itself is not a permit. The card only verifies that you have a permit. You will still need to produce the actual permit if required to do so. Check your area and see if you get the same answer. It may surprise you! |
| Davis County. They also recommended laminating the paper copy first thing, but that was before they got the plastic card machine. I was told about the difference between the plastic card and the paper, when I inquired about the plastic card when became available. This also was a couple years ago, so things may have been updated since then. I haven't looked into it further as I'm good for a few more years. |
|
Buchanan County DOB: 00/00/1900 GENDER:M NTN#:????? ISSUED 00/00/2011 OLN:( DL#) EXPIRES 00/00/2016 FIRST LAST NAME Signature of permit holder A person who makes what the person knows to be a false statement of material fact on an application submitted under this section or who submits what the person knows to be any materially falsified documentation in connection with such an application commits a IOWA CODE SECTION 724.10 (3) |
|
Quoted:
Davis County. They also recommended laminating the paper copy first thing, but that was before they got the plastic card machine. I was told about the difference between the plastic card and the paper, when I inquired about the plastic card when became available. This also was a couple years ago, so things may have been updated since then. I haven't looked into it further as I'm good for a few more years. i'd imagine they're set straight by now. amazing that a chief law enforcement officer sworn to uphold the laws of iowa can't read them or follow them, but in many cases these guys just send an email for 'clarity' to DPS these days anyway. if they're still under that false assertion, then holler back, but they probably have their poop in a group by now. there was a bit of that after the law change, but most all of it has subsided. there's the issue of the fact that law doesn't allow them to charge and upcharge for the card over the paper permit, but they also claim they have an ability to recover costs for items like that. so unless they get nutty on the pricing, i doubt they'll get taken to task on it. with irony, the infrastructure for plastic id cards is intact. all the card machines used for first responders, DL, etc. left over when the driver license issuance became centralized leaves hundreds of those machines scattered around the state that are long since paid for. they could be using them, rather than making claims they need $X to print a hard card. personally i'll be looking forward to a day when DPS can issue the cards centrally myself and skip the sheriff. why not? as it sets now they refuse to work with one another and come up with a layout and card style that is identical county to county. ask yourself what you'd say if you were a nebraska state patrol office and each day you pulled over an iowa dude with a permit it looked different than the one from the day before? kind of hokey at best... |
|
Spart is correct, the plastic permit card is a designated document from the DPS. ( WP 10) As a matter of fact the Polk County Sheriff is the one who requested that they make it an official designation before the Shall Issue law passe din 2010.
661—91.2(724) Forms. The following forms, the use of which is required by provisions of this chapter, are provided by the commissioner to Iowa sheriffs: 1. Form WP1. Professional Permit to Carry Weapons 2. Form WP2. Nonprofessional Permit to Carry Weapons 3. Form WP3. Application for Annual Permit to Acquire Pistols or Revolvers 4. Form WP4. Annual Permit to Acquire Pistols or Revolvers 5. Form WP5. Application for Permit to Carry Weapons 6. Form WP6. Revocation/Cancellation of Permit to Carry/Permit to Acquire Weapons 7. Form WP7. Certified Peace Officer Permit to Carry Weapons 8. Form WP8. Reserve Peace Officer Permit to Carry Weapons 9. Form WP9. Authorization for Wallet-Size Permit to Carry Weapons, to be generated by the issuing officer including the type of permit, and, at a minimum, the individual identifiers of name and date of birth |
|
Quoted:
Davis County. They also recommended laminating the paper copy first thing, but that was before they got the plastic card machine. I was told about the difference between the plastic card and the paper, when I inquired about the plastic card when became available. This also was a couple years ago, so things may have been updated since then. I haven't looked into it further as I'm good for a few more years. I'm in Polk and they issued a laminated card to me. I've never even seen a paper permit. |
|
Quoted:
When I last renewed they told me they don't give out paper copies, only the hard cards. Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm in Polk and they issued a laminated card to me. I've never even seen a paper permit. When I last renewed they told me they don't give out paper copies, only the hard cards. If they only charged you $25 or $50 for the only permit format that they issue, that is OK. If they tried to make you pay extra, they are in violation of the law. |
|
Quoted:
Davis County. They also recommended laminating the paper copy first thing, but that was before they got the plastic card machine. I was told about the difference between the plastic card and the paper, when I inquired about the plastic card when became available. This also was a couple years ago, so things may have been updated since then. I haven't looked into it further as I'm good for a few more years. I remember back when some were telling people that the paper ones could NOT be laminated as that constituted altering them. Cray-cray days back in the day when the sheriffs (some) were making it up as they went. 
|
|
In this area, McCarthy doesn't care about being in violation of the law. His explanation begins at the 27 minute mark:
2012 Polk County Sheriff debate |
|
Quoted:
If they only charged you $25 or $50 for the only permit format that they issue, that is OK. If they tried to make you pay extra, they are in violation of the law. They are going to continue getting away with it, as they have for years, until we as an organized community decide to take a stand. And it's too bad those who are most likely to try to do something about it are in the categories of people who are the least capable of succeeding and are also the most likely to be discouraged during their efforts to do so e.g. the classically educated who are working regular hours during the times the sheriffs' offices are open(and thus unable to take the time necessary to sit down and talk with the sheriffs if the sheriffs were even willing to listen in the first place), those with prior but not disqualifying criminal offenses on their records(the opposition will take any opportunity to say that shall issue resulted in permits being granted to people who they feel shouldn't have them) and those we've alienated as a community choose to alienate[IGO supporters, the poor, the illiterate, the inarticulate, (insert any other stereotype those who oppose us try to mock us with) ad infinitum). The 12 month period prior to the expiration of the first permits issued under the shall issue law is coming up soon. Is there going to be an effort made to make sure these sheriff's start obeying the law they swore to enforce and uphold? We spend so much time and effort with our infighting that we give ground to the opposition they would never gain were we working together. The issue of differing fees for permits, whether they be paper or plastic, could would be settled law were people we willing to work together. |
|
Quoted:
If they only charged you $25 or $50 for the only permit format that they issue, that is OK. If they tried to make you pay extra, they are in violation of the law. Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm in Polk and they issued a laminated card to me. I've never even seen a paper permit. When I last renewed they told me they don't give out paper copies, only the hard cards. If they only charged you $25 or $50 for the only permit format that they issue, that is OK. If they tried to make you pay extra, they are in violation of the law. Was $55 when I renewed after shall issue passed. At the time I didn't know better so I didn't say anything. |
|
Quoted:
I keep asking the sheriff's office where I live (Grundy county) when they will get cards and they keep saying, "we are working on it." It annoys me because we're supposed to hang onto a piece of paper for five years and expect it to stay in decent condition? Put in a FOIA / Sunshine act request for all communications and documents pertaining to it, and then you will know what's going on. Unless it's official, they can "say' anything. Not saying this to be a jerk to them or anything -- just saying that it's public information and you can get all the information if you put in the request. |
|
Quoted:
I am pretty certain Spart is 100% correct on this. Any Sheriff's dept. that required you to turn in your paper permit owes you a paper permit. Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Something to think about. I'm told by my sheriff's department that the card itself is not a permit. The card only verifies that you have a permit. You will still need to produce the actual permit if required to do so. Check your area and see if you get the same answer. It may surprise you! No. The plastic card is an alternate form specified by DPS. Your sheriff's department is misinformed. I am pretty certain Spart is 100% correct on this. Any Sheriff's dept. that required you to turn in your paper permit owes you a paper permit. This. In my county they take your certificate of class completion and give you your card which clearly states on it that it is your permit to carry weapons. |
|
Bit of an update-
Stopped today to get a new permit as my old was was in tatters with large portions of it no longer legible. They now do a smaller paper one about the size of a business card which they laminate for you. No charge to replace the worn out one. I would say still not as good as an actual plastic one but leaps and bounds ahead of where they were. |
|
Quoted:
Something to think about. I'm told by my sheriff's department that the card itself is not a permit. The card only verifies that you have a permit. You will still need to produce the actual permit if required to do so. Check your area and see if you get the same answer. It may surprise you! This is BS. In Iowa, you need to show proof of permit to LEO upon request. In black hawk county, they give the laminated card in leu of the paper certificate. The card suffices. They willl ALWAYS check with dispatch anyways, so it doesn't matter THAT much, but like I said.... You dot get a paper form or permit if you get a laminated card. |
|
Not really BS. It was that way until they got it figured out. If you want more confusion check out what it's gonna take to get renewed correctly. You'll need to take another renewal class or do a qualify shoot sometime within a year of your CCW expiration, then you'll need to renew NO LESS THAN 30 days before it expires. The good news is it's on $25. If you don't follow this exactly, you'll have to start all over again and pay $50 for a totaly new carry permit.
If you think this is BS, check it for yourself............... |
|
Quoted:
Not really BS. It was that way until they got it figured out. If you want more confusion check out what it's gonna take to get renewed correctly. You'll need to take another renewal class or do a qualify shoot sometime within a year of your CCW expiration, then you'll need to renew NO LESS THAN 30 days before it expires. The good news is it's on $25. If you don't follow this exactly, you'll have to start all over again and pay $50 for a totaly new carry permit. If you think this is BS, check it for yourself............... What you may be missing is that if you accidentally forget to renew before 30 days prior, the renewal training requirements are out and the new permit training requirements are in effect. Sure, you pay $50, but you could use an NRA basic pistol cert from 1989 if you wanted to. Loooooop-hole. |
|
Quoted:
What you may be missing is that if you accidentally forget to renew before 30 days prior, the renewal training requirements are out and the new permit training requirements are in effect. Sure, you pay $50, but you could use an NRA basic pistol cert from 1989 if you wanted to. Loooooop-hole. Quoted:
Quoted:
Not really BS. It was that way until they got it figured out. If you want more confusion check out what it's gonna take to get renewed correctly. You'll need to take another renewal class or do a qualify shoot sometime within a year of your CCW expiration, then you'll need to renew NO LESS THAN 30 days before it expires. The good news is it's on $25. If you don't follow this exactly, you'll have to start all over again and pay $50 for a totaly new carry permit. If you think this is BS, check it for yourself............... What you may be missing is that if you accidentally forget to renew before 30 days prior, the renewal training requirements are out and the new permit training requirements are in effect. Sure, you pay $50, but you could use an NRA basic pistol cert from 1989 if you wanted to. Loooooop-hole. 
|
| Letting it lapse and getting a new permit could leave you without a permit for a while if the Sheriff drags his heels in issuing it. Also not taking a renewal class or shooting test could leave a person open to liability in the eyes of a jury or the state. It is a cover your ass thing ! . |
|
That may be a loophole or a curse. You'll likely go through a delay of maybe up to thirty days without a permit. If you are unfortunate enough to have to use your weapon after getting the permit again, it could be a point in court that you didn't take a renewal course to bring you up to speed on what's current. Then there's the $50 compared to $25!
For my part, I think I'll go through the recommended procedure and avoid any possible issues!
|
|
Quoted:
Also not taking a renewal class or shooting test could leave a person open to liability in the eyes of a jury or the state. where has this happened? when? to whom? i submit it won't matter what you do or don't do, as the lawyer trying to dissect you will do his/her job regardless of the manner in which you legally attained your permit. let's cut the shit on these types of unfounded scare tactics. for years i have listened to people exclaim what would happen in court if something was done, or not done, or whatever. truth is, that's a pure guess. nothing more, nothing less. |
|
now that i'm good and pissed off, let me elaborate...
the only damned reason that portion of the law is in code today is courtesy of the ISSDA Legislative Board. not the sheriffs, not the deputies, not law enforcement. just a committee within ISSDA that pushed that messed up language and were given it at the last minute as a parting gift since they got their ass kicked in every other aspect of the law change. you should have seen what it was like before. the entire code sections were neat, clean, and easy. ISSDA rolled up whining like pack mules and quite literally fucked it up old school. then, with GREAT IRONY, they were the people who had a shit fit pit and fell in it over issuance policies, etc. and now are boobing about renewals. well, too fuckin' bad. you guys (ISSDA) tried to write code instead of read it and apply it, which is your job by the way, and now you don't like the messed up language you have. you made your bed, now lay in it... as for letting your permit lapse to attain a new one, using a previous method of training as the permit prerequisite, etc. who cares? it's a five year permit people... that means it costs you a whopping $5 a year more IF you opt to do it that way. so what? if you don't, then retrain and spend money there on a renewal instead of more on a 'new' permit. simple. if anybody wants to bitch about the language in iowa code regarding this matter, take it up with the ISSDA. they fucked it up. pure and simple. now you all have choices, so make a choice that works for you. ....and oh by the way? when issda rolls up this year wanting retraining strengthened in code, live fire made a prerequisite, and online training made illegal, are you going to still be bawling about your choices or are you going to concentrate on the matter at hand? think hard before you answer. |
|
Ding ding ding, Septic got it right. ISSDA fucked it up and they still blame the legislature for passing it. We just tell people when they ask about renewing, they can either take a renewal class or don't, we'll just use their previous training certificate like before.
|
| I'm probably going to ask my sheriff what he prefers. If he's fine with getting an extra $25 and calling it a new permit so long as it's valid right after my existing one expires, I'll go that route. If he thinks that's bending the rules and wants to dick me over the 30 day waiting period, fine. I'm sure plenty of people will be putting on a live fire qual that will satisfy the renewal training requirements, easy peasy. |