Posted: 2/12/2011 10:21:21 PM EDT
| I am wanting to get in contact with someone who is teaching a concealed carry class. Let me know how to get a hold of you. |
Yes, I am but probably not in the sense you're thinking. I teach Combat Focus Shooting and am also NRA certified so my class more than meets the minimum requirements for a permit, but I'll tell you right up front don't expect a $50 three hour class. What you can expect is to learn the most efficient way to stop a lethal threat with a handgun................ oh, and a hell of a good time shooting about 1000 rounds in in a weekend.
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I would suggest the combat focus shooting.
But if you want to just get the permit as well as a utah one you can hit up my brother. He is running around doing courses all over the damn place. You would get a good idea of the laws and all that. If he doesn't have a course close by just give him a call and he can schedual another one. Pretty cheap and you get both the Iowa and Utah. Just a thought. After you are done with it though make sure you go out and hit the CFS course. Dad and brother went out to it and loved it I think my younger brother is hitting it later this year now. http://www.dynamicfirearmsinstruction.com/ |
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just so you guys know... this joker is looking for YOUR course outlines, so he can use them to teach and copy YOUR course. wow...  I am actually looking at the different ways some of you are teaching the class. I was going to copy NO ONES class!! Thanks asking for someone's course outline and handouts are a shit way to start pal... if you're for real, so be it... either way you approached this as poorly as possible. |
| Well I wouldn't use whoever it is doing classes at Gander Mountain in Davenport. I was theerelast weekend and overheard wrong info on where you can and cannot carry. Wanted to go over and shake my head at the instructor but decided not to make a scene. The info was wrong but at least it erred on the side of caution. |
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I have the power point pretty much complete. I was originally looking for ideas on how others go over the class as the law is vague. I wanted to make sure I touched on the same subjects as some of the more established instructors around the state.
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Cover what you feel is important. Do a run through with another person who is new to guns and see what they say. You'll develop your material better through repetition and feedback.
Do your best to represent instructor like some of us well. We were given a opportunity to help educated so let's not produce bad permit holders. |
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Thanks for the feedback Mirage
The topics I plan on covering are: Firearms Safety, Nomenclature, IA law, deadly force, where not to carry. I am going to teach my first class to some friends and people I know so I can get some feedback. I agree the course needs to be the best it can be, just because it doesn't say it in the law doesn't mean it's not important. I also ordered a blue gun. |
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By vague I am referring to 724.9 (1b)
Completion of any handgun safety training course available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, community college, college, private or public institution or organization, or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the national rifle association or the department of public safety or another state's department of public safety, state police department, or similar certifying body. I too want to make my class as good as it can be. I don't want to be sitting in court or getting sued because a student said "you didn't tell me that." As far as 724 and 704 I can interpret most if not all of both those. What are some of the laws you guys feel that are read over easily or not that well known? Also was there anything any of you later found out and then began to put that law of piece of advice into your programs? |
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By vague I am referring to 724.9 (1b) Completion of any handgun safety training course available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, community college, college, private or public institution or organization, or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the national rifle association or the department of public safety or another state's department of public safety, state police department, or similar certifying body. I too want to make my class as good as it can be. I don't want to be sitting in court or getting sued because a student said "you didn't tell me that." As far as 724 and 704 I can interpret most if not all of both those. What are some of the laws you guys feel that are read over easily or not that well known? Also was there anything any of you later found out and then began to put that law of piece of advice into your programs? Seems pretty clear to me: any handgun safety course available to the general public offered by blah blah blah blah................ utilizing instructors certified by the NRA or blah blah blah................... As far as litigation, technically I suppose anyone can sue anyone else over practically anything. It's not something I'd worry about in the least. |
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By vague I am referring to 724.9 (1b) Completion of any handgun safety training course available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, community college, college, private or public institution or organization, or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the national rifle association or the department of public safety or another state's department of public safety, state police department, or similar certifying body. I too want to make my class as good as it can be. I don't want to be sitting in court or getting sued because a student said "you didn't tell me that." As far as 724 and 704 I can interpret most if not all of both those. What are some of the laws you guys feel that are read over easily or not that well known? Also was there anything any of you later found out and then began to put that law of piece of advice into your programs? Seems pretty clear to me: any handgun safety course available to the general public offered by blah blah blah blah................ utilizing instructors certified by the NRA or blah blah blah................... As far as litigation, technically I suppose anyone can sue anyone else over practically anything. It's not something I'd worry about in the least. +1 chris... seems good to me. if you need a set of instructions on how to embrace freedom then that's a YOU problem, not a law problem. |
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In regards to 724.5 Duty to carry permit to carry weapons,
It obviously says that you must produce your permit to carry at the request of a peace officer, but it also ties in 724.4 (4i). Which says if a person produces at the person's trial a permit to carry weapons which was valid at the time of the alleged offense and which would have brought the person's conduct within this exception if the permit had been produced at the time of the alleged offense. If a person carrying a gun without having the permit on them they could/would be charged with a simple misdemeanor and also carrying weapons (724.4). I guess my question is if at trial the person produced the permit that was valid at the time of arrest for the above charges would both charges be dropped or just the carrying weapons? I believe the cw would be dropped but the duty to carry would not be per 724.5. Thanks |
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In regards to 724.5 Duty to carry permit to carry weapons, It obviously says that you must produce your permit to carry at the request of a peace officer, but it also ties in 724.4 (4i). Which says if a person produces at the person's trial a permit to carry weapons which was valid at the time of the alleged offense and which would have brought the person's conduct within this exception if the permit had been produced at the time of the alleged offense. If a person carrying a gun without having the permit on them they could/would be charged with a simple misdemeanor and also carrying weapons (724.4). I guess my question is if at trial the person produced the permit that was valid at the time of arrest for the above charges would both charges be dropped or just the carrying weapons? I believe the cw would be dropped but the duty to carry would not be per 724.5. Thanks That all depends on the county attorney.... |
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In regards to 724.5 Duty to carry permit to carry weapons, It obviously says that you must produce your permit to carry at the request of a peace officer, but it also ties in 724.4 (4i). Which says if a person produces at the person's trial a permit to carry weapons which was valid at the time of the alleged offense and which would have brought the person's conduct within this exception if the permit had been produced at the time of the alleged offense. If a person carrying a gun without having the permit on them they could/would be charged with a simple misdemeanor and also carrying weapons (724.4). I guess my question is if at trial the person produced the permit that was valid at the time of arrest for the above charges would both charges be dropped or just the carrying weapons? I believe the cw would be dropped but the duty to carry would not be per 724.5. Thanks That all depends on the county attorney.... I know that, but I am talking black and white law. I won't be teaching well this is ok in this county and this is not ok in this county and so and so CA is a hard ass. |
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In regards to 724.5 Duty to carry permit to carry weapons, It obviously says that you must produce your permit to carry at the request of a peace officer, but it also ties in 724.4 (4i). Which says if a person produces at the person's trial a permit to carry weapons which was valid at the time of the alleged offense and which would have brought the person's conduct within this exception if the permit had been produced at the time of the alleged offense. If a person carrying a gun without having the permit on them they could/would be charged with a simple misdemeanor and also carrying weapons (724.4). I guess my question is if at trial the person produced the permit that was valid at the time of arrest for the above charges would both charges be dropped or just the carrying weapons? I believe the cw would be dropped but the duty to carry would not be per 724.5. Thanks That all depends on the county attorney.... I know that, but I am talking black and white law. I won't be teaching well this is ok in this county and this is not ok in this county and so and so CA is a hard ass. Dude, you're making this way too complicated, teach them to carry their permit when they carry their gun............... period. You could literally come up with 10,000 "what if" scenarios and never get anything actually taught. Remember you're a firearms instructor not a lawyer - I'm assuming you're not a lawyer anyway, but even if you are a lawyer that's not your job when you're instructing. |
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In regards to 724.5 Duty to carry permit to carry weapons, It obviously says that you must produce your permit to carry at the request of a peace officer, but it also ties in 724.4 (4i). Which says if a person produces at the person's trial a permit to carry weapons which was valid at the time of the alleged offense and which would have brought the person's conduct within this exception if the permit had been produced at the time of the alleged offense. If a person carrying a gun without having the permit on them they could/would be charged with a simple misdemeanor and also carrying weapons (724.4). I guess my question is if at trial the person produced the permit that was valid at the time of arrest for the above charges would both charges be dropped or just the carrying weapons? I believe the cw would be dropped but the duty to carry would not be per 724.5. Thanks That all depends on the county attorney.... I know that, but I am talking black and white law. I won't be teaching well this is ok in this county and this is not ok in this county and so and so CA is a hard ass. You asked an honest question and I gave you and honest answer. I've seen stuff dismissed in one county that would have been prosecuted in another. The truth of the matter isn't black and white. It may appear that way on the books, but the way it is practiced isn't always the same. |
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In regards to 724.5 Duty to carry permit to carry weapons, It obviously says that you must produce your permit to carry at the request of a peace officer, but it also ties in 724.4 (4i). Which says if a person produces at the person's trial a permit to carry weapons which was valid at the time of the alleged offense and which would have brought the person's conduct within this exception if the permit had been produced at the time of the alleged offense. If a person carrying a gun without having the permit on them they could/would be charged with a simple misdemeanor and also carrying weapons (724.4). I guess my question is if at trial the person produced the permit that was valid at the time of arrest for the above charges would both charges be dropped or just the carrying weapons? I believe the cw would be dropped but the duty to carry would not be per 724.5. Thanks That all depends on the county attorney.... I know that, but I am talking black and white law. I won't be teaching well this is ok in this county and this is not ok in this county and so and so CA is a hard ass. Dude, you're making this way too complicated, teach them to carry their permit when they carry their gun............... period. You could literally come up with 10,000 "what if" scenarios and never get anything actually taught. Remember you're a firearms instructor not a lawyer - I'm assuming you're not a lawyer anyway, but even if you are a lawyer that's not your job when you're instructing. This is also true. In my experience "what if" conversations usually serve to muddy the water further. |
| I am just that kind of guy that likes "what if" situations I guess! I will quit thinking so hard into this as the law often operates in the grey area. I just want to be prepared to teach my first class and not screw a whole lot up. I know I'm splitting hairs with the law, I will just stay away from the gray areas and just teach the class! Thanks for the comments guys. |
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I am just that kind of guy that likes "what if" situations I guess! I will quit thinking so hard into this as the law often operates in the grey area. I just want to be prepared to teach my first class and not screw a whole lot up. I know I'm splitting hairs with the law, I will just stay away from the gray areas and just teach the class! Thanks for the comments guys. by reading this post you're not prepared then... do yourself a favor and take a half dozen of other's courses so you can see how it is done and handled by others. otherwise, you'll show up and throw up a lot of poor information to people who have the impression you're an expert. it is a large burden, so i'd postpone your classes and learn first... otherwise, by shear definition you're being irresponsible. |