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5/28/2015 9:14:46 PM EDT
Is printing illegal in MI?  Let's say you have a cpl but part of the weapon is showing while walking down the sidewalk, can you be cited?  A friend who is a cop says its illegal, I say its OK.  Anyone know of any mi code to confirm or deny?
 
5/28/2015 10:20:31 PM EDT
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IIRC MSP legal update #86 should cover that

That link can be found above with the red pin next to "Michigan Important Documents"
5/29/2015 9:03:33 AM EDT
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Printing is not illegal in Michigan.
5/29/2015 9:20:21 AM EDT
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Considering open carry is legal I can't possibly see how printing is illegal.  It's illegal to see you're carrying a gun that's under your shirt, but not illegal to have it completely in the open?  Not that there aren't and haven't been conflicting laws like that.
5/29/2015 9:23:53 AM EDT
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Printing is fine. There is nothing wrong with it in MI. You need to correct your friend before he gets himself and his department in trouble.

Open carry is completely legal. Concealed carry is legal with a permit. Printing is not illegal.
5/29/2015 1:19:35 PM EDT
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My experiences seem to indicate that there are plenty of LEOs who don't know Michigan's firearms laws very well.
5/29/2015 2:19:34 PM EDT
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My experiences seem to indicate that there are plenty of LEOs who don't know Michigan's firearms laws very well.
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Printing is fine. There is nothing wrong with it in MI. You need to correct your friend before he gets himself and his department in trouble.

Open carry is completely legal. Concealed carry is legal with a permit. Printing is not illegal.


My experiences seem to indicate that there are plenty of LEOs who don't know Michigan's firearms laws very well.


Most LEOs anywhere don't know firearms laws very well. Can't blame them when they are so arbitrary and usually confusing.
5/29/2015 2:23:44 PM EDT
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Printing is fine. There is nothing wrong with it in MI. You need to correct your friend before he gets himself and his department in trouble.



Open carry is completely legal. Concealed carry is legal with a permit. Printing is not illegal.
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This is what I've been trying to tell him.  He stated that a cpl holder cannot print, that it either has to be open carried or completely concealed.  I think he's just confused and what he really means is that someone without a cpl cannot let their weapon become concealed by a shirt or have the weapon tucked in their waistband with just the handle showing.  Said friend also thinks that it is illegal for a cpl holder to transport their weapon loaded and in plain sight in a vehicle.
5/29/2015 6:29:34 PM EDT
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Bet Id really throw him for a tizzy with my Michigan registered AR15 pistol loaded and in my front seat (yes I have a CPL).
5/29/2015 9:33:29 PM EDT
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oops double post...
5/29/2015 9:33:50 PM EDT
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  /snip  Said friend also thinks that it is illegal for a cpl holder to transport their weapon loaded and in plain sight in a vehicle.
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Printing is fine. There is nothing wrong with it in MI. You need to correct your friend before he gets himself and his department in trouble.

Open carry is completely legal. Concealed carry is legal with a permit. Printing is not illegal.

  /snip  Said friend also thinks that it is illegal for a cpl holder to transport their weapon loaded and in plain sight in a vehicle.


My legal section of my cpl class was done by a state police officer out of troy. He said a person could hang the gun from the rear view mirror and it was considered "concealed

He said he would write you a ticket for obstruction of view but nothing about the gun being or not being concealed.
5/29/2015 10:37:07 PM EDT
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  This is what I've been trying to tell him.  He stated that a cpl holder cannot print, that it either has to be open carried or completely concealed.  I think he's just confused and what he really means is that someone without a cpl cannot let their weapon become concealed by a shirt or have the weapon tucked in their waistband with just the handle showing.  Said friend also thinks that it is illegal for a cpl holder to transport their weapon loaded and in plain sight in a vehicle.

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Printing is fine. There is nothing wrong with it in MI. You need to correct your friend before he gets himself and his department in trouble.



Open carry is completely legal. Concealed carry is legal with a permit. Printing is not illegal.


  This is what I've been trying to tell him.  He stated that a cpl holder cannot print, that it either has to be open carried or completely concealed.  I think he's just confused and what he really means is that someone without a cpl cannot let their weapon become concealed by a shirt or have the weapon tucked in their waistband with just the handle showing.  Said friend also thinks that it is illegal for a cpl holder to transport their weapon loaded and in plain sight in a vehicle.

Print him a copy of the MSP Legal Brief that is linked above, that should clear it up for him.



 
5/30/2015 11:45:54 AM EDT
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Considering open carry is legal I can't possibly see how printing is illegal.  It's illegal to see you're carrying a gun that's under your shirt, but not illegal to have it completely in the open?  Not that there aren't and haven't been conflicting laws like that.
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This is correct.  If open carry is legal, than how can "printing" or part of the gun showing be illegal?  

Tell your cop friend he's an idiot for me.  Thanks.
5/30/2015 2:16:14 PM EDT
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Bet Id really throw him for a tizzy with my Michigan registered AR15 pistol loaded and in my front seat (yes I have a CPL).

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This was my first thought as well.  I have an AR15 10.5" pistol too but i don't CC it.

 
6/1/2015 10:23:29 AM EDT
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My legal section of my cpl class was done by a state police officer out of troy. He said a person could hang the gun from the rear view mirror and it was considered "concealed

He said he would write you a ticket for obstruction of view but nothing about the gun being or not being concealed.
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Printing is fine. There is nothing wrong with it in MI. You need to correct your friend before he gets himself and his department in trouble.

Open carry is completely legal. Concealed carry is legal with a permit. Printing is not illegal.

/snip  Said friend also thinks that it is illegal for a cpl holder to transport their weapon loaded and in plain sight in a vehicle.

My legal section of my cpl class was done by a state police officer out of troy. He said a person could hang the gun from the rear view mirror and it was considered "concealed

He said he would write you a ticket for obstruction of view but nothing about the gun being or not being concealed.

The MSP officer was correct that it would be "concealed" even if it was hanging from your rearview mirror. Any time you are carrying a firearm in a vehicle, and it doesn't abide by the transport rules (unloaded and either cased, broken down, or inaccessible from the interior), it is legally considered concealed.