Posted: 2/5/2012 10:10:40 PM EDT
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Hey guys, Im getting out of the service in a few months and making the move back to MI, finally, after 2 of the last 3 years overseas.
Im at Ft Lewis WA now, and have my CPL over here. Ive taken the required class in MI to get the CCW, but never got around to actually getting my license (stupid mistake, I know) My question is this, do I have to retake the class to get my CCW in MI, or can I A) SOMEHOW find the certificate of completion (dont think its gonna happen, plus the cert is like 5-6 years old) or B) Show my WA CPL (which is valid in MI, and for 5 years) and recieve a MI CCW that way Any input is greatly appreciated, and Im looking forward to coming back and throwing some rounds back home. Ill be at damn near every ACTS at Centerline. Thanks in advance |
| Unfortunately, the way the law is here you have to take the training over again. It would be nice if they inserted a waiver/exemption for those of us who served our country and had to carry a firearm, but that's not the case yet. It would also be nice if you could convert your current state's CCW/CPL to a Michigan one just like with a driver's license, but that would be too convenient (and unlikely to happen until there's a centralized issuing agency instead of the individual county gun boards). |
| I think that's correct. If you had the original certificate you might be able to sign a statement that you've reviewed the laws and had some range training in the past 6 months (assuming you have), but without it you'll probably have to take it again. By having a permit from another state, it will allow you to apply for the MI permit immediately (after taking the course). There is a new resident requirement in the law that states you must be a MI resident for 6 months before you can get a permit. That requirement is waved if you already have a valid permit from another state, so make sure to turn in a copy of your current permit with the paperwork. |
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Hey guys, Im getting out of the service in a few months and making the move back to MI, finally, after 2 of the last 3 years overseas. Im at Ft Lewis WA now, and have my CPL over here. Ive taken the required class in MI to get the CCW, but never got around to actually getting my license (stupid mistake, I know) My question is this, do I have to retake the class to get my CCW in MI, or can I A) SOMEHOW find the certificate of completion (dont think its gonna happen, plus the cert is like 5-6 years old) or B) Show my WA CPL (which is valid in MI, and for 5 years) and recieve a MI CCW that way Any input is greatly appreciated, and Im looking forward to coming back and throwing some rounds back home. Ill be at damn near every ACTS at Centerline. Thanks in advance As far as I know the certificate does not expire, but if issued after October 1, 2004 it has to have this statement on it: This course complies with section 5j of 1927 PA 372 The course must also have been conducted in Michigan, or have complied with Michigan law (as stated in the required language). |
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In searching for info on knives I ran across this on the MSP website.
3. How long is the Concealed Pistol License course that I took valid? MCL 28.425j specifies what conditions must be met in the course required to get a Concealed Pistol License. One of those requirements is that the program provides a certificate of completion stating the program complies with the requirements of this section. There is not an expiration date on the training. However, your local county gun board will review the training certificate to see if is acceptable. Source The catch is in the last statement, it appears to give the gun board more authority than it should. |
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Alright, I appreciate all the info guys, but Ive got another question.
On the Washington State office of the Attorney General's site, it says that a WA CPL will be recognized in Michigan, but there is an asterik. Michigan* * These states do not recognize non-resident concealed pistol licenses issued by Washington state. Now, Ive been hazy on the residency thing, since Im still a resident of MI, but I have military orders stationing me at JBLM, here in WA. My CPL doesnt say anything about non resident. My question is, how long legally will I be able to carry with my WA CPL in Michigan. My WA CPL is good for 5 years, but obviously the address on it will be old, as Ill be back in MI. Again, any input will be greatly appreciated. |
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Alright, I appreciate all the info guys, but Ive got another question. On the Washington State office of the Attorney General's site, it says that a WA CPL will be recognized in Michigan, but there is an asterik. Michigan* * These states do not recognize non-resident concealed pistol licenses issued by Washington state. Now, Ive been hazy on the residency thing, since Im still a resident of MI, but I have military orders stationing me at JBLM, here in WA. My CPL doesnt say anything about non resident. My question is, how long legally will I be able to carry with my WA CPL in Michigan. My WA CPL is good for 5 years, but obviously the address on it will be old, as Ill be back in MI. Again, any input will be greatly appreciated. Your military situation makes it a bit unclear to me. Here's my general understanding though. If you are a MICHIGAN RESIDENT Michigan will not recognize ANY out-of-state CPL you might have for purposes of carrying concealed in Michigan. If you are NOT a Michigan resident, Michigan will recongize any CPL AS LONG AS it is issued by your state of residency. (Floridians can carry in Michigan on a Florida permit, WA state residents on a WA state permit, etc. But someone from Florida can't carry on a WA state permit (in Michigan) and vice versa. So, the question is, what is your state of residency? If you are a Michigan resident, you need a Michigan CPL to carry in Michigan. If you aren't a Michigan resident, you need a CPL issued by your home state to carry in Michigan. Personally, I'm not clear how military orders stationing you in a particular state affect your state residency. That's just not something I'm familiar with. I will say though that if you are declaring yourself a Michigan resident for some other purpose, like tax purposes, voting registration, car registration, etc, than that would be good evidence that you consider yourself a Michigan resident now and thus can not carry in Michigan on an out-of-state CPL. If nothing else, as soon as you return to Michigan with the intent of being a Michigan resident (not just visiting) than whatever out-of-state permit you have will NOT be recognized by Michigan. Michigan residents ahve to carry on Michigan permits. There is no grace period. |