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5/19/2010 4:21:27 PM EDT
Is it legal to buy 34-0-0 Ammonium Nitrate anymore?  Last time I bought it there was plenty on EBAY for cheap.  Now I can only find one listing and he wants over four dollars a pound after shipping.

5/20/2010 8:19:31 AM EDT
[#1]
I think it is still around just not very common.  A lot of farmers switched to ammonium sulfate (21-0-0) or urea (45-0-0).
5/21/2010 3:38:02 AM EDT
[#2]
I believe that unless something changed, it is restricted because someone thought that it was used to cook meth, so they added all sorts of paperwork to it.  Probably have to go to a farm supply as I have not seen it at places like Lowes in a long time.
5/21/2010 7:04:08 AM EDT
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I believe that unless something changed, it is restricted because someone thought that it was used to cook meth, so they added all sorts of paperwork to it.  Probably have to go to a farm supply as I have not seen it at places like Lowes in a long time.



you are thinking about Anhydrous Ammonia (the white tanks on trailer wheels that you see at farms). Anhydrous can be used to produce Meth.

Ammonium Nitrate is also a fertilizer and when mixed with fuel oil can be used as an explosive and as far as I know can NOT be used to produce Meth..

After the Murha Building in OK city (McVey used an ANFO bomb with a TNT booster for initiation) Ammonium Nitrate was changed a bit in that it is now in a "prill" (coated pellet) form vs a True granular form, which makes it harder, but not immposible, to use as an explosive. There was also some more regulation after the OK City but it is still available (just not like it used to be, which was walk into a farm type store and buy it). Typically now if the Ammonium Nitrate is used as an explosive, legitmately, it is sold pre-mixed with the fuel oil and you are supposed to have paperwork saying you can have it.

One of the best classes I have been to for my job was in New Mexico where the climax was us building and detontaing a 1000lb ANFO explosive in the trunk of an old Buick. Not much left of the car or anything within about a 100yard inner blast radius. We were aprox 1 mile away and slightly underground and the shock wave felt like a punch in the chest, LOL

J-


5/21/2010 1:55:55 PM EDT
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I believe that unless something changed, it is restricted because someone thought that it was used to cook meth, so they added all sorts of paperwork to it.  Probably have to go to a farm supply as I have not seen it at places like Lowes in a long time.






you are thinking about Anhydrous Ammonia (the white tanks on trailer wheels that you see at farms). Anhydrous can be used to produce Meth.



Ammonium Nitrate is also a fertilizer and when mixed with fuel oil can be used as an explosive and as far as I know can NOT be used to produce Meth..



After the Murha Building in OK city (McVey used an ANFO bomb with a TNT booster for initiation) Ammonium Nitrate was changed a bit in that it is now in a "prill" (coated pellet) form vs a True granular form, which makes it harder, but not immposible, to use as an explosive. There was also some more regulation after the OK City but it is still available (just not like it used to be, which was walk into a farm type store and buy it). Typically now if the Ammonium Nitrate is used as an explosive, legitmately, it is sold pre-mixed with the fuel oil and you are supposed to have paperwork saying you can have it.



One of the best classes I have been to for my job was in New Mexico where the climax was us building and detontaing a 1000lb ANFO explosive in the trunk of an old Buick. Not much left of the car or anything within about a 100yard inner blast radius. We were aprox 1 mile away and slightly underground and the shock wave felt like a punch in the chest, LOL




J-







Correct, but our current governor is a moron and that was the justification when the regulations were pushed.  It was an anti-drug law anyways.....



 
5/21/2010 6:23:17 PM EDT
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am i the only one thinking to myself that no good can come of this?
5/21/2010 6:57:17 PM EDT
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am i the only one thinking to myself that no good can come of this?


You're not alone...the Dem's totally agree with you

All you see here is me trying to roll my own a bit cheaper than buying the name brand.
5/22/2010 9:09:50 AM EDT
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am i the only one thinking to myself that no good can come of this?


You're not alone...the Dem's totally agree with you



Not the case here, I have probly got more deadly / sharp toys than most of us here.
but is that not the same stuff that was used in the OKC bombing? im not being a smart ass correct me if im wrong.

5/22/2010 9:35:47 AM EDT
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am i the only one thinking to myself that no good can come of this?


You're not alone...the Dem's totally agree with you

All you see here is me trying to roll my own a bit cheaper than buying the name brand.


Are you just looking for a few pounds, or looking for more?  I use it to make reactive targets I can offer a few suggestions, but I don't want to aid any criminals.  Are your uses legal?
5/22/2010 4:23:18 PM EDT
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am i the only one thinking to myself that no good can come of this?


You're not alone...the Dem's totally agree with you

All you see here is me trying to roll my own a bit cheaper than buying the name brand.


Are you just looking for a few pounds, or looking for more?  I use it to make reactive targets I can offer a few suggestions, but I don't want to aid any criminals.  Are your uses legal?


My intended use is explained in the video above

In that video I used 7 lbs Completely legally.

I want to buy bulk (like 50-100lbs) without paying 4 bucks per pound.
5/22/2010 5:22:17 PM EDT
[#10]
Oh, ok, my browser didn't show it as a video, just looked like a creepy picture. We're on the same page then.

The quantity you want blows suggestion number one. Walgreen/Walmart cold compresses.  It ends up between 3 and 4 dollars a pound.  I usually make small targets so I never cared.  It's easy to get though.

I'll check the places I knew had it around me and let you know.  I found it last year at a few places while I was looking for some gardening stuff, but wasn't looking to buy then.   I'd actually like to find some now.  What would you call a good price?

Have you nailed down a good source for the other component?  I been using radiation stop-leak, but I'd think it could be gotten in bigger quantities for less money.
5/22/2010 5:55:30 PM EDT
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Oh, ok, my browser didn't show it as a video, just looked like a creepy picture. We're on the same page then.

The quantity you want blows suggestion number one. Walgreen/Walmart cold compresses.  It ends up between 3 and 4 dollars a pound.  I usually make small targets so I never cared.  It's easy to get though.

I'll check the places I knew had it around me and let you know.  I found it last year at a few places while I was looking for some gardening stuff, but wasn't looking to buy then.   I'd actually like to find some now.  What would you call a good price?

Have you nailed down a good source for the other component?  I been using radiation stop-leak, but I'd think it could be gotten in bigger quantities for less money.


Yup, I've got several pounds of the dark aluminum.  That's the easy part (available from a number of sources).  I found a place for a little over three bucks a pound, so I guess anything cheaper than that is a good start.
5/23/2010 6:36:36 PM EDT
[#12]
I'm sorry but I have a feeling no good can come of this. Posting video of a car being blown up on the interwebs and then asking where you can obtain the materials used to make such explosives seems like a very bad idea.

I'm just callin' it like I see it....
5/23/2010 8:34:10 PM EDT
[#13]
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I'm sorry but I have a feeling no good can come of this. Posting video of a car being blown up on the interwebs and then asking where you can obtain the materials used to make such explosives seems like a very bad idea.

I'm just callin' it like I see it....


I see it differently.

Tannerite is a prefectly legal product.  Nobody has mentioned anything unlawful.  

It CAN be used safely and responsibly, or recklessly and wrong, like anything else on this website.  Some folks blow up milk jugs, some people blow up cars. So what?  It's as much a lawful purpose as just shooting holes in paper.

It is available without many restrictions, for purchase by anyone that wants it.  From many sources The Sportsmans Guide and Cabella's
 
You can make your own targets for much less money.  This information is and has been availably freely to anyone, we did not publish it WIKI

We are simply discussing availability of completely legal components to make these same targets for less money.  

5/23/2010 9:16:20 PM EDT
[#14]
I've had a couple pounds of aluminum flake sitting around for a couple years, expecting I'd eventually be able to find some reasonably priced AN to make my own reactive targets instead of the expensive tannerite brand. I found out just what a pain it is, and haven't had a chance to look in awhile.

If you guys are tossing around IM's on a source besides cold packs, please by all means let me know.
5/23/2010 9:55:53 PM EDT
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I've had a couple pounds of aluminum flake sitting around for a couple years, expecting I'd eventually be able to find some reasonably priced AN to make my own reactive targets instead of the expensive tannerite brand. I found out just what a pain it is, and haven't had a chance to look in awhile.

If you guys are tossing around IM's on a source besides cold packs, please by all means let me know.


Me too please!
5/24/2010 5:55:16 PM EDT
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I've had a couple pounds of aluminum flake sitting around for a couple years, expecting I'd eventually be able to find some reasonably priced AN to make my own reactive targets instead of the expensive tannerite brand. I found out just what a pain it is, and haven't had a chance to look in awhile.

If you guys are tossing around IM's on a source besides cold packs, please by all means let me know.


Me too please!


+1 Here also.  I used up all of the stuff I had (from a LOOONG time ago) and can't make any more targets.
5/25/2010 7:08:49 AM EDT
[#17]
I found this place.  Not cheap, but the cheapest I found so far.  50# bag with activator at a decent price, but $40 shipping to MI really kills it...

www.intheredexplodingtargets.com
5/25/2010 7:56:07 AM EDT
[#18]
I tried one place last night, no luck.  Still got three more to go, but it's gonna take me a while to get to em all, they're 60-70 miles apart. Hoping to get to another place tonight, and  I'll hit the Amish place this weekend when I go check out the forest fire damage.

I don't know where ya live.....have you tried any real farm stores (not tractor supply).....maybe down around Monroe, or in the thumb area.  The places I saw it were up north, in the middle of a lot of farm land, and not chain stores.

Don't know much about it, but I ran across this site.  Science For You Not necissarily cheap, but not the worst either.

5/25/2010 8:13:10 AM EDT
[#19]
Is this stuff really that pricey?.....or are they charging a premium because it ain't "fertilizer"......Like I said I saw it, but I never paid attention to the price.  I cant imagine a farmer paying $150+ a bag.
5/25/2010 8:16:48 AM EDT
[#20]
Edited a double post....Attempt #2 was a failure, all they had was 46-0-0 urea.....bummer.
5/25/2010 9:03:08 PM EDT
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I tried one place last night, no luck.  Still got three more to go, but it's gonna take me a while to get to em all, they're 60-70 miles apart. Hoping to get to another place tonight, and  I'll hit the Amish place this weekend when I go check out the forest fire damage.

I don't know where ya live.....have you tried any real farm stores (not tractor supply).....maybe down around Monroe, or in the thumb area.  The places I saw it were up north, in the middle of a lot of farm land, and not chain stores.

Don't know much about it, but I ran across this site.  Science For You Not necissarily cheap, but not the worst either.



I'm in the metro Detroit Area, but have a place near West Branch. I wonder if anywhere up there migh sell it?

T.S.
5/26/2010 8:05:57 AM EDT
[#22]
I moved to Texas about 4 years ago.  I posted here because I'm in town for the holiday and we're doing a shoot up in the Cadillac area over the holiday weekend.  I'm currently staying with family in Livonia.

I checked high & low before I left TX...same story

If you need help searching shoot me a PM.  I won't have internet access after tomorrow morning.
5/26/2010 11:45:06 AM EDT
[#23]
The two places I tried so far were near where I live in Traverse City.  I still have two more to try in Mio (amish), and Ellsworth.  I come from Westland.  There used to be a farm place we went to in Maybee I think I just remember buying wheat and looking at the grain silo/elevator things.

All the places I'm checking are in the phone book under FEED STORES but they're more like farm supply stores.  The Cadillac area has to have some too.

What kind of shoot is in Cadillac this weekend?
5/26/2010 1:16:17 PM EDT
[#24]
A friend of mine owns a small scrap yard out there.  A bunch of us go camping on the property every year and do a BUNCH of shooting.  Lots of cool stuff to shoot and blow up...
5/26/2010 3:11:36 PM EDT
[#25]
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am i the only one thinking to myself that no good can come of this?


You're not alone...the Dem's totally agree with you

All you see here is me trying to roll my own a bit cheaper than buying the name brand.


Are you just looking for a few pounds, or looking for more?  I use it to make reactive targets I can offer a few suggestions, but I don't want to aid any criminals.  Are your uses legal?


My intended use is explained in the video above

In that video I used 7 lbs Completely legally.

I want to buy bulk (like 50-100lbs) without paying 4 bucks per pound.


The OP wants to make videos of cars that look like VBIEDs. I can understand the fun, but I can't understand posting videos of it for all the world to see.

As always, there's a difference between Can and Should.
5/26/2010 3:56:56 PM EDT
[#26]
On youtube there's hundreds of "blowin' shit up with tannerite" video's, but the internet sheriff's don't like mine?

I understand what you guy's are saying but I don't agree.  What about some guy running around with a helmet cam and AR15 shooting human shaped targets with total efficiency on the IPSC range?
5/26/2010 4:22:19 PM EDT
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am i the only one thinking to myself that no good can come of this?


You're not alone...the Dem's totally agree with you

All you see here is me trying to roll my own a bit cheaper than buying the name brand.


Are you just looking for a few pounds, or looking for more?  I use it to make reactive targets I can offer a few suggestions, but I don't want to aid any criminals.  Are your uses legal?


My intended use is explained in the video above

In that video I used 7 lbs Completely legally.

I want to buy bulk (like 50-100lbs) without paying 4 bucks per pound.


The OP wants to make videos of cars that look like VBIEDs. I can understand the fun, but I can't understand posting videos of it for all the world to see.

As always, there's a difference between Can and Should.


To each his own dude, you ain't gotta watch em.

I never video taped an explosion, but I do have a video camera sealed in an aquarium with headlights in it to put out in the lake in front of the house.  Not fun for everyone, but I enjoy it.
5/28/2010 6:16:00 AM EDT
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I'm sorry but I have a feeling no good can come of this. Posting video of a car being blown up on the interwebs and then asking where you can obtain the materials used to make such explosives seems like a very bad idea.

I'm just callin' it like I see it....


I see it differently.

Tannerite is a prefectly legal product.  Nobody has mentioned anything unlawful.  

It CAN be used safely and responsibly, or recklessly and wrong, like anything else on this website.  Some folks blow up milk jugs, some people blow up cars. So what?  It's as much a lawful purpose as just shooting holes in paper.

It is available without many restrictions, for purchase by anyone that wants it.  From many sources The Sportsmans Guide and Cabella's
 
You can make your own targets for much less money.  This information is and has been availably freely to anyone, we did not publish it WIKI

We are simply discussing availability of completely legal components to make these same targets for less money.  





I see in the Cabelas Star Exploding Targets product description: "Item notes - Important restrictions to consider: 2. Once mixed do not reduce or repackage smaller amounts."  Is there some practical or legal reason you can't break down the 2 1/2 pounds into two or three smaller containers?
5/28/2010 7:02:50 AM EDT
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I'm sorry but I have a feeling no good can come of this. Posting video of a car being blown up on the interwebs and then asking where you can obtain the materials used to make such explosives seems like a very bad idea.



I'm just callin' it like I see it....




I see it differently.



Tannerite is a prefectly legal product.  Nobody has mentioned anything unlawful.  



It CAN be used safely and responsibly, or recklessly and wrong, like anything else on this website.  Some folks blow up milk jugs, some people blow up cars. So what?  It's as much a lawful purpose as just shooting holes in paper.



It is available without many restrictions, for purchase by anyone that wants it.  From many sources The Sportsmans Guide and Cabella's

 

You can make your own targets for much less money.  This information is and has been availably freely to anyone, we did not publish it WIKI



We are simply discussing availability of completely legal components to make these same targets for less money.  




I see in the Cabelas Star Exploding Targets product description: "Item notes - Important restrictions to consider: 2. Once mixed do not reduce or repackage smaller amounts."  Is there some practical or legal reason you can't break down the 2 1/2 pounds into two or three smaller containers?


You just cant divide it once mixed.  When the product is mixed it is an explosive and cannot be transported without permits (from DOT i believe).



 
5/28/2010 8:26:11 AM EDT
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I'm sorry but I have a feeling no good can come of this. Posting video of a car being blown up on the interwebs and then asking where you can obtain the materials used to make such explosives seems like a very bad idea.

I'm just callin' it like I see it....


I see it differently.

Tannerite is a prefectly legal product.  Nobody has mentioned anything unlawful.  

It CAN be used safely and responsibly, or recklessly and wrong, like anything else on this website.  Some folks blow up milk jugs, some people blow up cars. So what?  It's as much a lawful purpose as just shooting holes in paper.

It is available without many restrictions, for purchase by anyone that wants it.  From many sources The Sportsmans Guide and Cabella's
 
You can make your own targets for much less money.  This information is and has been availably freely to anyone, we did not publish it WIKI

We are simply discussing availability of completely legal components to make these same targets for less money.  





I see in the Cabelas Star Exploding Targets product description: "Item notes - Important restrictions to consider: 2. Once mixed do not reduce or repackage smaller amounts."  Is there some practical or legal reason you can't break down the 2 1/2 pounds into two or three smaller containers?

You just cant divide it once mixed.  When the product is mixed it is an explosive and cannot be transported without permits (from DOT i believe).
 


So I gather it's against the law to break it down into smaller containers even if it's mixed and repackaged at the range where it will be used.  I wouldn't have guessed that.