Posted: 2/16/2009 12:19:52 PM EDT
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My wife took the course to get her CPL back in 2004. She passed but never filed her paperwork and went forward with it.
Now that we moved downstate to the "Metro" area, I want her to get her permit. Does anyone know if she has to retake a course? I imagine a refresher of the new laws etc. would be required. |
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Present the original certificate of completion of the pistol safety training course. The county clerk will make a copy of the certificate at the time the application is submitted. Certificates issued beginning October 1, 2004, shall contain the statement, “This course complies with section 5j of 1927 PA 372.” For a renewal of a license issued after July 1, 2001, the applicant must sign a statement certifying that he or she has completed at least 3 hours of review of the required training and have had at least 1 hour of firing range time in the last 6 months preceding this application. |
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hey just a FYI i have been told that your original certificate is only good for 1 yr. The group of instructors I run range for said some of the county clerks have been getting really picky. Try and see what they say won't hurt. That was my understanding as well. My Wife took the class then dragged her feet before submitting her paperwork to the Macomb County clerk's office. She got a letter in the mail about 2 months later about a problem with her application. Turns out she didn't include her maiden name. We thought that her certificate had expired so she never resubmitted again. I'm up for renewal this year so maybe I'll re submit her application when I submit my renewal app next week. See what happens. |
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hey just a FYI i have been told that your original certificate is only good for 1 yr. The group of instructors I run range for said some of the county clerks have been getting really picky. Try and see what they say won't hurt. I'll have to look into that. Quoted:
That was my understanding as well. My Wife took the class then dragged her feet before submitting her paperwork to the Macomb County clerk's office. She got a letter in the mail about 2 months later about a problem with her application. Turns out she didn't include her maiden name. We thought that her certificate had expired so she never resubmitted again. I'm up for renewal this year so maybe I'll re submit her application when I submit my renewal app next week. See what happens. Maybe I'll just submit it. |
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MCRGO News, Tips, and Answers to Frequently Asked Questions. *Ask the Attorney:* –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 *Q: My county clerk won't accept my NRA Personal Protection in the Home Course certificate because it was issued more than 1 year ago. Is she correct?* *A:* No, NRA certificates do not expire or go "stale". The NRA alone decides how long their certificates are valid, not county gun boards. According to the law, it is NOT the responsibility of the county gun board to review or approve pistol safety training programs. The statute only states that the applicant must present a certificate signed by a certified firearms instructor with a statement that the course complies with the requirements of the law and that the individual successfully completed the course. If the validity of a certificate comes into question, the board may wish to confirm the firearm instructor's certification with the organization that provided certification. In most cases, that is the NRA. It is a 4-year felony to issue a bogus certificate. That is intended to keep instructors honest. There is similar situation where I have seen clerks attempt to reject certificates because they do not contain the language set forth in MCL 728.425j. Pursuant to 2004 PA 254, after October 1, 2004, the pistol safety training certificate must read "This course complies with section 5j of 1927 PA 372." Of course, if your certificate was issued before that date, it probably contains something similar but not exact. The ones I issued before October 1, 2004 state, "This course meets the requirements of 1927 PA 372 as amended by 2000 PA 381 5j and 2002 PA 719." If you are in this situation you have two choices, 1) you can point out to the clerk that the new "magic" language of MCL 728.425j only applies to pistol safety training certificates issued after October 1, 2004, or 2) you can have the instructor that issued the certificate either add the "magic" language for you or give you permission to add it yourself. :::::::::::::::::::::::::: David Bieganowski AKA the "Marine Lawyer," is a general practice attorney in Traverse City. He received his firearm training in the Marines and at the FBI academy in Quantico, Va. He is an NRA Certified Instructor for Personal Protection in the Home, Basic Pistol, and Refuse to be a Victim as well as an NRA Range Safety Officer and IDPA Range Safety Officer. He is also DNR Hunter's Safety Instructor. |
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While I agree the NRA certificates don't expire, there is a stipulation that the application be submitted within 1 year of the course being completed. Since she has the original certificate, all that should be needed is the short refresher course.
I recently submitted my application with an original certificate of 2001 and a renewal certificate from 2009. The County Clerk's office was happy to see both of them. |