Posted: 8/31/2007 4:48:48 AM EDT
| Did you have to register your FS2000 as a pistol because the OAL is 7/8" shy of the 30" needed under a former AG's opinion? |
Yep, there's a lot of utility in being able to have a loaded rifle in your vehicle when you want to. I have property up north and aside from having a lot of bears in the area, there are only 4 sheriffs, 2 DNR, and 2 state police for the whole county-a county the size of wayne or oakland. Dialing 911 just ain't gonna get it if you have to... |
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While I totally agree with enjoying the ability to carry a loaded rifle on a CPL in MI, I am still confused... I was under the impression that a pistol/handgun as defined by our lovely state could not have a shoulder stock or fore-end grip. Because otherwise what would be a handgun length firearm becomes an SBR or AOW or some other complicated piece of ATF ass-hattage. If FS2000 rifles can be legally classified as handguns by MI standards, then why is the Kel-Tec SU-16C considered illegal? I have read some MI law regarding the issues, but there seems to be major gaps in their qualifications. |
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(k) “Short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. (e) “Pistol” means a loaded or unloaded firearm that is 30 inches or less in length, or a loaded or unloaded firearm that by its construction and appearance conceals itself as a firearm. MI definition of a pistol says nothing about a stock or forward grip. I dont think the Fed law and MI law confict on the length or stock issue. The forward grip issue is a Fed thing. The civilian legal FS2000 has a 17.4"barrel and is 29 1/8" OAL. Therefore is in the gap between pistol and rifle. These rifles that have to be registered as pistols fall in that 26-30inch gap. Their barrels all have to be at least 16" but OAL can be 26-30. The KelTec SU16C OAL is 25.5 when folded and can be fired from the folded posistion therefore in a SBR and hence illegal in MI. Although I thought I read somewhere that Keltec will perm attach a flash supressor (special order) and make it MI legal. The other KelTecs (like the Sub2000) are legal as they can not be fired when folded. Although, the Sub2000 is 29.5 when open therefore needs to be on a pistol permit. |
Is that MI law stating less than 26 is SBR, or federal? Otherwise it seems the SU16C would be illegal everywhere without ATF documentation. Thanks for the help. MXDan |
You can legally posses a Kel-Tec SU-16C in MI. Similar to the procedure for an M4gery w/ a 14.5” barrel, you take delivery of it un-assembled and permanently attach something to the muzzle to bring its assembled, folded, OAL to that required by law. I verified this with the MSP. |
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MXDan1 Thats State law. Metroplex I think the flash supressor is pined and pretty long already. See pic. You may want to post on the FN forum in the Armory section. There's some pics of SBR FS2000's with Phantom flash supressors but they look like custom jobs for silencer attachments. FS2000 Flash Supressor Close Up (Borrowed from Judochops Post in FN Forum)  |
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So, as I understand this... According to MI law any firearm with a stock and AOL less than 26" is essentially illegal entirely. Any firearm between 26" and 30" can be treated and modified in any way (short of changing OAL) as both a rifle and a pistol as long as it is first registered as a pistol. What about changing barrels? If I bought a XCR that was under 30" to start, but put a longer barrel on it, I then have a serial number registered to a handgun that no longer fits the qualifications. Sorry if this is sounding tedious, I just really want to make sure I get my ducks in a row before I make any questionable purchases. MXDan |
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