Posted: 10/25/2011 2:15:13 PM EDT
Anyone filled out a form 1 before and wouldn't mind spending a few min answering some "new guy" questions. I've been searching quite a bit on exactly how to answer some of these questions but nothing has really fit the bill yet. The instructions on the form are a GREAT help as well...
Anyway, just some stupid questions below: I think I may be over thinking a lot of these questions but eh! Name and Location of Original Manufacturer of Firearm - I would think it would be Spikes addy but the instructions seem to point that it should be my addy. Type of Firearm to be made - Is this just "Short Barrel Rifle"? Caliber - The lower is marked "multi". Do I put what the lower says or what it will be chambered in? Length of Barrel - Going with a 10.5 or 10.3" barrel. Do I need to decide before hand and must be able to put the firearm back into that config at all times or does it really matter? Over all length - How exact does this have to be? Does it matter about an adjustable stock, if so is that fully extended? Model - I'm guessing that is what's on the lower State Why You Intend To Make Firearm - The dreaded interview question...This is up there with "whats your greatest weakness" or "why did you leave your last job". Hard to answer and gotta do prep work to get it right. So, what did you all put? 3gun range toy is what it is. Finger Print Card - Can I just print the card PDF out or do I have to order them from the ATF? I think that's enough brain vomit for now... |
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Be sure and checkout this thread:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/257740_Complete_Guide_of_how_to_complete_a_Form_1.html Also, let us know how it works out. I've wanted to do it for a while now. |
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Anyone filled out a form 1 before and wouldn't mind spending a few min answering some "new guy" questions. I've been searching quite a bit on exactly how to answer some of these questions but nothing has really fit the bill yet. The instructions on the form are a GREAT help as well...
Anyway, just some stupid questions below: I think I may be over thinking a lot of these questions but eh! Name and Location of Original Manufacturer of Firearm - I would think it would be Spikes addy but the instructions seem to point that it should be my addy. Spikes. I have done two and both were approved this way. Type of Firearm to be made - Is this just "Short Barrel Rifle"? Yes Caliber - The lower is marked "multi". Do I put what the lower says or what it will be chambered in? My Mega is marked "multi", think I put in 5.56NATO for caliber. Length of Barrel - Going with a 10.5 or 10.3" barrel. Do I need to decide before hand and must be able to put the firearm back into that config at all times or does it really matter? I don't think it really matters a ton, but if you decide to change from whatever you list PERMANENTLY or for any real length of time you can file an addendum (and I would). Over all length - How exact does this have to be? Does it matter about an adjustable stock, if so is that fully extended? As close as possible, stock collapsed. Model - I'm guessing that is what's on the lower si. State Why You Intend To Make Firearm - The dreaded interview question...This is up there with "whats your greatest weakness" or "why did you leave your last job". Hard to answer and gotta do prep work to get it right. So, what did you all put? 3gun range toy is what it is "For collection and all lawful purposes" is what I put on both of mine. . Finger Print Card - Can I just print the card PDF out or do I have to order them from the ATF? I would order from the ATF. Send me an IM tomorrow and I will check my stuff at work tomorrow and see if I have any extra. I think that's enough brain vomit for now... I'm not a lawyer or an employee of the ATF, but above answers are basically what I did and forms were approved. Just remember that this is NOT the time to see how loose rules are or what you can get away with- try to fill everything out as exactly as possible. Good luck! |
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Quoted: Anyone filled out a form 1 before and wouldn't mind spending a few min answering some "new guy" questions. I've been searching quite a bit on exactly how to answer some of these questions but nothing has really fit the bill yet. The instructions on the form are a GREAT help as well... Anyway, just some stupid questions below: I think I may be over thinking a lot of these questions but eh! Name and Location of Original Manufacturer of Firearm - I would think it would be Spikes addy but the instructions seem to point that it should be my addy. it's the original manufacturer's business name and city/state Type of Firearm to be made - Is this just "Short Barrel Rifle"? Yes Caliber - The lower is marked "multi". Do I put what the lower says or what it will be chambered in? Some forms marked "multi" have been rejected. Pick the primary caliber. Length of Barrel - Going with a 10.5 or 10.3" barrel. Do I need to decide before hand and must be able to put the firearm back into that config at all times or does it really matter? Pick the primary setup and the firearm must be able to be returned to that configuration. If you permanently change it and can't change it back (this applies less to ARs and more to AKs and HKs) you need to inform the NFA Branch. Over all length - How exact does this have to be? Does it matter about an adjustable stock, if so is that fully extended? Fully extended Model - I'm guessing that is what's on the lower Yes State Why You Intend To Make Firearm - The dreaded interview question...This is up there with "whats your greatest weakness" or "why did you leave your last job". Hard to answer and gotta do prep work to get it right. So, what did you all put? 3gun range toy is what it is. Up until a few years ago, people were sending them in with "zombies" as the reason and they were getting approved. I think there's at least one guy who had one approved that said "to kill it with fire." They cracked down on this. "sporting purposes", "collection", "investment", and the like will all work. Finger Print Card - Can I just print the card PDF out or do I have to order them from the ATF? You need the official FBI fingerprint cards. Just call the ATF and ask for "the Form 1 packet" and they'll send you everything you need, because there's also the Form 5330.20 you'll need 2 copies of. I think that's enough brain vomit for now... See my comments above in red. There's lots of good info online for how to complete a Form 1. Unfortunately, there is a metric shit ton of BAD information online about is how to complete the process in Shelby County as an individual... seriously, every single bit of it is wrong. I'll post the info here of the correct way to do it and save you guys some time and frustration. |
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Quoted: Thanks. Lady question is about who signs. I live in Germantown. Can my chief do it or do I need to have the Shelby county chief sign it? You have to have the Shelby County Sheriff sign - he is the CLEO for your residence. More than likely, it won't be the Sheriff, but someone with signing authority for him. Okay, here are the Shelby County specifics. If you have NFA forms that need CLEO signature and you live in Shelby County, follow this. The info posted elsewhere on ARFCOM, TGO and other sites is wrong and/or out of date. 1. Put on pants. 2. Go get a money order for $40, bring $5 cash for parking. 3. Take your fingerprint cards and your photo ID to the Shelby County Jail Annex at 201 Poplar. Leave your cell phone, hat, any "contraband", etc. in your car or at home. They have lockers for $0.50 if you insist on bringing your phone or crackpipe. You'll go through the metal detector and your stuff goes through the x-ray. Go to the door all the way at the back & left of the main waiting room - Records and Identification. Tell them that you need to be fingerprinted and have a warrant check. They'll tell you to fill out the money order for "Shelby County Sheriff", ask for your photo ID and have a seat. They do the rest. 4. Go next door to the "other" 201 Poplar building. Take the elevator up to the 10th floor, and look for room 10-01. 5. Tell them that you have some ATF paperwork that you need the Sheriff to sign. The little stickers that say "sign here" with an arrow are helpful. Present your photo ID, (2) Form 1s, and the Criminal History form that you got from Records and Identification that says "NO WARRANTS" and they'll go get your stuff signed. If by chance your form doesn't say "NO WARRANTS" you can probably ignore the rest here because you're in bracelets. FWIW, you can have your phone in this building to play on while you wait. |
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You have to have the Shelby County Sheriff sign - he is the CLEO for your residence. Not necessarily. The Sheriff is an option, but if he lives within the city limits of Germantown, then the Chief of Police there can sign off on NFA items. Also, there is a host of other signatures that the ATF will accept. Personally, I would go to the Chief in Germantown first. If he refuses, then make the trek to 201 Poplar. |
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You have to have the Shelby County Sheriff sign - he is the CLEO for your residence. Not necessarily. The Sheriff is an option, but if he lives within the city limits of Germantown, then the Chief of Police there can sign off on NFA items. Also, there is a host of other signatures that the ATF will accept. Personally, I would go to the Chief in Germantown first. If he refuses, then make the trek to 201 Poplar. The Chief of Police is absolutely an authorized signer, and is covered by the same Tennessee "must sign NFA forms unless..." Law that covers the Sheriff's requirement to sign. That said, the Shelby County Sheriff's office is the traditional signature factory and if you follow the method I prescribed above, you'll be in and out. The Germantown Chief may sign, but it will likely be a more cumbersome process and/or take a few days, which is why all of the dealers in the area send Form 4 customers to the SCSO. Some Chiefs will also defer to the Sheriff as the CLEO, so my feeling is why not just cut out any potential wasted time and go to the people who do this all of the time? YMMV Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I agree- I have read about a lot of folks leaving forms with departments, mailing in with SASE, etc. Not necessarily with G'town, but in general.
Both of mine with the entire warrant check, fingerprint, and sign off process took about two hours each and I left the SO and went pretty much directly to the PO and dropped the forms off. Easy peasy. ETA: Crawlin- I have several extra fingerprint cards if you need a pair of them. |
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ETA: Crawlin- I have several extra fingerprint cards if you need a pair of them. Thanks, Not sure who this question is to but I think it's the last for now. Should I just order the packet or can I steal a couple of hank's fingerprint cards and use this PDF from for the two copies of the 5330.20? ATF PDF 5330.20 ETA: Thanks hank, I think I can use the PDF above so I'll send you a PM to pick them up. |
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You have to have the Shelby County Sheriff sign - he is the CLEO for your residence. Not necessarily. The Sheriff is an option, but if he lives within the city limits of Germantown, then the Chief of Police there can sign off on NFA items. Also, there is a host of other signatures that the ATF will accept. Personally, I would go to the Chief in Germantown first. If he refuses, then make the trek to 201 Poplar. The Chief of Police is absolutely an authorized signer, and is covered by the same Tennessee "must sign NFA forms unless..." Law that covers the Sheriff's requirement to sign. That said, the Shelby County Sheriff's office is the traditional signature factory and if you follow the method I prescribed above, you'll be in and out. The Germantown Chief may sign, but it will likely be a more cumbersome process and/or take a few days, which is why all of the dealers in the area send Form 4 customers to the SCSO. Some Chiefs will also defer to the Sheriff as the CLEO, so my feeling is why not just cut out any potential wasted time and go to the people who do this all of the time? YMMV Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The Germantown Chief and Assistant Chief have signed several for me, often while I waited. If the Assistant signs, just be sure he adds that he is signing for the Chief and the Chief's name (I got one returned for this). The Germantown Jail is in the same building and will do your finger print cards as well for Germantown residents and a small fee. |
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I was asked via PM about the measurement of OAL and whether it is measured with the stock at its longest (extended) or at its shortest (collapsed). The measurement should be while it is extended. There's a lot of misinformation about this, but here are two pieces of information that might help drive some clarity to the issue... 1. As defined, a short barreled rifle is a shoulder-fired firearm with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or overall length of less than 26 inches. Go get your 16.1-inch barreled AK folder out of your safe and fold the stock. Now measure it. It's about 25 inches. Is it an SBR? Nope - because it's designed to be fired from the shoulder and is measured with the stock extended. Some states measure this differently (notably, California) but we're talking about Federal law. 2. If you go down to your local fun store that deals in NFA goodies and you buy a factory-built SBR, you'll find that the manufacturer of the firearm listed the OAL of that SBR with the stock extended. |
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