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For those whom may not have noticed, there's a move afoot in both Murf & Nashville to build two large mosques. This is coupled with the editorial written by a muslim female (complete with head scarf in her pic) in the Tennessean bemoaning the (supposedly) Christian-based attacks by those such as Timothy McVie (sp?) & comparing them to the ROP.

Gentlemen, issues are coming to Middle TN. Granted, we have the whole freedom of religion thing, but do we really want what will eventually be an attempt to have sharia law in TN?  

If one follows the funding for these mosques, I believe one will indeed find some less than ideal sources from Mid-East & they are indeed connected to Hamas or worse (if that's possible). Someone published a bit back the source for this funding but I do not have a handle on it just now.

But just wait, when these things are built, there will be an attempt to have public schools bent to accommodate ramadan & all the other goodies that come along with Islam. Ron Ramsey has been the only pol to have the balls to speak up against Islam & needless to say the liberal media (redundant) roasted him for it.

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To some Muslims, this is a type of jihad. The consistent encroachment into an "infidel's" society, to slowly change it by not assimilating. Look at the problems that they already have in Europe. Granted, the US is much larger than the EU, but these "jihadists" think they are gonna bully us by pointing the finger at us and calling us racists, and untolerant. Typical Leftist policy. Europe is being overrun by Muslims. Its only a matter of time before the same happens here.

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Ditto to this statement... And I am against building a mosque near and building or area hit by anything having to do with 911

I lived in Senegal West Africa for most of my childhood. Senegal is 95% muslim and I hope that many here will not take me apart for what I am about to say...

I am for the freedom of religion and I believe they have a right to build their mosque! BUT that being said, I know that you can never trust a muslim... They can claim that are moderate muslims ( and a lot of the time they are) but be prepared for a wolf in sheep's clothing... I believe in a muslim's right to worship and having a place to worship. But that right ends when you do not want to accept this nations law and honor every ones freedoms.

However, I do not believe that there are any moderate Sharia practicing muslims. I believe that they can say that they are moderate, but saying and being are two different things. We are in for a land of hurt!!!

Thankful to live in these Great United States of America, the greatest nation to ever exist (even if Newsweek thinks we are number 11)...


Amos1909

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Small world - I visited Senegal a couple of years ago. Had some friends who lived in Grand Yoff, visited the Bandia reserve, Popenguine, the Taiba phosphate mines. It was amazing to see the Saudi money being funneled in to build mosques EVERYWHERE when I was there. I hated the early-morning prayer calls, too.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0deanRGb8w

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I lived there for 7 years. 1 year in Saint Louis and 6 in good old HOT Louga.. I loved it and you do get use to the 5 am call to prayers!!! It was and still is the most moderate muslim nation in Africa. I do miss it sometimes!!!! Even the 155 degree+ heat..

Great Youtube  Site!!!!

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The part in bold - I was reminded of that frequently, but even with that, it was more Islamic than suited my tastes.

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I would hate to pigeonhole a person who claims one religion or the next.  They're all fucking fairytales.

There is a war going on this country and most do not realize it!!!

Thanks,

Matthew

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One more thing to remember: Have we forgotten the Islam "camp grounds" around the state already?

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I attended prayers at a mosque several times while researching different religions.  I was welcomed and treated with kindness.  Judging all Muslims by the actions of Islam’s fringe extremists is like judging all Christians by its fringe extremists.  It’s just not a fair or accurate conclusion.

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It’s just not a fair or accurate conclusion.  Mosques were here long before 9/11 and no one was concerned about it then.  As long as they follow the same laws as any other worship center, I say let them built it.

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I attended prayers at a mosque several times while researching different religions. I was welcomed and treated with kindness. Judging all Muslims by the actions of Islam’s fringe extremists is like judging all Christians by its fringe extremists. It’s just not a fair or accurate conclusion. Mosques were here long before 9/11 and no one was concerned about it then. As long as they follow the same laws as any other worship center, I say let them built it.

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First of all, I am thankful that I live in this great land called the United States. Where any man can practice his religion as long as it is peaceful in nature!!! This includes muslims as long as they do not want special treatment and are not taking money from or sending money to terrorists.

I grew up in Senegal, a moderate muslim country and still have friends that are muslim. They would have never let me or any infidel into a mosque, it would have defiled it. Even if they would have invited me to do so, I would not of been willing to go through the cleansing ritual that would have been required !

But I do know which side most of my muslim friends will be on when and if the time comes that things turn ugly. I would not trust them any further than I could throw them on matters of religion and peace. The Qu'ran very clearing states that it is right to lie to an infidel in order to conquer him..

Now concerning the highlighted part. Was this state-side or overseas. If it was stateside, of course they are going to treat you that way! They have no other choice, if they treated you badly, you would have been bad press.. Go to one of the extreme muslim countries and try this stunt!!! In most Muslim nations abroad, it would be a good way to get you head cut off!!! You are the enemy, and it obvious that you did not do a deep truthful study into Islam or you would not be making these statements.

I am a pastor and I do not need to go and worship with another religion to know what the difference is!!!! They won the battle with you, sir. Let the Rev. in and maybe we can convince him we are all peaceful.

As far as judging the fringe groups. I do not know of any history showing protestant Christians flying planes into any buildings in a Muslim country! If any Christian was to do so, every Bible believing Christian in the United States and possibly the world, would condemn it and fight to stop it!!! Islam is the enemy here and the more extreme the more dangerous!!! Most muslims will not condemn the extremist publicly.


One other thing that is irritating me and I have been told that most men of God do not share my thoughts on the subject. You have Rev as part of your screenname and that in and of itself tells me a lot... I have a Rev. in front of my name also, but there is nothing reverend about me. Only the one true God is Reverend!!! I do not use the title reverend! I think it has caused a huge pride problem in our churches today and causes so-called men of God to look at self rather than God!!!

Anyway, I guess I should calm down! I am sorry if I have misjudged you....

Rant off,


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You have not misjudged me and I am not offended by your reply. As a matter of fact, I respect and appreciate your input.

I self-studied Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism in order to make a more informed decision. Most of us spend more time researching which car to buy than we do for something as important as this guideline of life. How is it possible to make a correct choice by only considering one option?



You are correct that Christians typically don’t fly airplanes into buildings. But we are great at shooting doctors or indiscriminately bombing medical clinics that we perceive as a threat to Christian beliefs. We take glee in disrupting American soldier funerals because of the perceived sins of our country. We are also very good at judging others who are not like us. We do it every day. We’re doing it right now.



I’m not trying to take sides here. I’m just trying to point out that we (Christians) are not guiltless when it comes to our treatment and intolerance of other cultures and religions. There is a reason everyone is so perpetually pissed at us. It didn’t just happen overnight.



P.S. This is only my personal opinion, and you know what they say about those.

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You have not misjudged me and I am not offended by your reply.  As a matter of fact, I respect and appreciate your input.
I self-studied Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism in order to make a more informed decision.  Most of us spend more time researching which car to buy than we do for something as important as this guideline of life.  How is it possible to make a correct choice by only considering one option?

You are correct that Christians typically don’t fly airplanes into buildings.  But we are great at shooting doctors or indiscriminately bombing medical clinics that we perceive as a threat to Christian beliefs.  We take glee in disrupting American soldier funerals because of the perceived sins of our country.  We are also very good at judging others who are not like us.  We do it every day.  We’re doing it right now.  
I’m not trying to take sides here.  I’m just trying to point out that we (Christians) are not guiltless when it comes to our treatment and intolerance of other cultures and religions.  There is a reason everyone is so perpetually pissed at us.  It didn’t just happen overnight.

P.S. This is only my personal opinion, and you know what they say about those.

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RevMetric,

I might disagree with you on this issue but you seem to be a good man!!!

On the highlighted part, I would like to point out that these are the exception to the rule in Protestant Christianity. We do not have the history of persecuting others to further our beliefs. It is quite the opposite, we reach out to those who are different and reach them through love!!!

I would agree that many Christians judge those that are different. But I do not believe that this is a Christian trait but rather a human trait.. It is through Christ that we are able put this trait aside so that we may love and understand others...

I am a white pastor that has to strive (and I do mean that it is a fight sometimes) to understand the souls that God has me ministering to! I pastor an inner-city Chattanooga Baptist church and I do know that the difference (in every part of life) between me and most of my congregation is huge. But I do know that I am to love and serve in the way that Christ did and he will change me and others!

With this said, I do believe that we as Christians are to be peaceful through strength. I carry at least 1 pistol each time I go out or as I preach. I have learned through the 10 years of inner-city ministry that I have to meet force with a peaceful but more powerful force... Sometimes that is looking a young man in the eye that has pulled a pistol on me and talk as if I have no fear. Then there are times I have to pull my Glock 26 and back a group of men down! But over time these same young men will gain a respect for me and end up coming to church with me... In the long run , they end up coming to know Jesus in a way that only Christ can show them...

I believe the same holds up with muslims. We are to show the love of Christ to all of them no matter how extreme, but have a strength that shows Christ in the same process...

Well, I guess I am finished...


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The difference between when a Muslim kills a Christian and when a Christien acts as highlighted above is, a Muslim is following the Koran when he kills infidels, a Christian is not followng his Bible when he does. That is the core fundemental msunderstanding in these discussions, read the Koran and the Bible, you will se the differences pretty quickly. Terrorists are good Koran believing Muslims. Fringe Christians tend to ignore the parts of the Bible they find inconvienient.

As to we Christians. Well Christians created the first nation that was founded on freedom of religion as one of it's tennants. Show me a nation founded by Muslims that started out allowing freedom of religion. In Muslim nations Christians are murdered because of thier religion with no punishment. Kill someone for being a Muslim here and you will be hunted to the ends of the earth. The list goes on and on, but if you honestly think Islam is a religion of peace and claim to have studied it, I doubt your ability to reason, so thier is no point in bringing up more facts.