Posted: 7/30/2012 7:08:18 PM EDT
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I'll be up there soon with a group of youth from church, and I'm not sure what the laws are. It's my understanding that it's actually illegal in UT to carry in churches/businesses that have posted signs, whereas in NV you'd just get trespassed. Half the people in my church carry concealed, and don't think of it as a big deal. Can anyone clarify or point me in the right direction for finding the info online? Thanks!! |
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Quoted: Does that include the new mall downtown there too? I thought I'd heard it was church owned now. (Is it called City Center? I haven't been there for many years.... I think there was a ZCMI last time I made it to any malls in SLC)You cannot carry on LDS church property. |
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You cannot carry on LDS church property. I think it's a grey area. It comes down to how you or the LDS church define "house of worship". http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_053000.htm IM sterling18 he is a CCW instructor and has some other insights into the specifics of LDS church policy. House of worship: 76-10-501. Definitions. "House of worship" means a church, temple, synagogue, mosque, or other building set apart primarily for the purpose of worship in which religious services are held and the main body of which is kept for that use and not put to any other use inconsistent with its primary purpose. |
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Quoted: You cannot carry on LDS church property. As per the church, having notified the state. I think a violation is still strictly a trespass citation/charge. As far as I can remember, there are not any "no guns" signs posted. But, IMHO concealed is concealed. What security I have seen there, is pretty lax. No metal detectors, etc... at least in the publicly accessible areas that I have seen. I know it's church property, but outside on the grounds is pretty much a public area. I really wish NV would recognize our permits... hint hint...  |
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Does that include the new mall downtown there too? I thought I'd heard it was church owned now. (Is it called City Center? I haven't been there for many years.... I think there was a ZCMI last time I made it to any malls in SLC)
You cannot carry on LDS church property. I carry at City Creek. I don't think you could ever define it as a house of worship. |
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Quoted: Quoted: You cannot carry on LDS church property. As per the church, having notified the state. I think a violation is still strictly a trespass citation/charge. As far as I can remember, there are not any "no guns" signs posted. But, IMHO concealed is concealed. What security I have seen there, is pretty lax. No metal detectors, etc... at least in the publicly accessible areas that I have seen. I know it's church property, but outside on the grounds is pretty much a public area. I really wish NV would recognize our permits... hint hint... I wish NV would too. Unfortunately, the way they wrote the CCW reciprocity law it states that the state being recognized has to have CCW requirements that meet or exceed NV's requirements. NV requires a shooting qual to get the permit, UT doesn't, so they say UT's requirements don't "meet or exceed" NV's. It's a load of crap, but it was a baby step. We didn't recognize anyone for many years. |
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A bit dated but I found this:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/no-firearms-in-latter-day-saint-houses-of-worship |
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Quoted: Quoted: You cannot carry on LDS church property. I think it's a grey area. It comes down to how you or the LDS church define "house of worship". http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_053000.htm IM sterling18 he is a CCW instructor and has some other insights into the specifics of LDS church policy. House of worship: 76-10-501. Definitions. "House of worship" means a church, temple, synagogue, mosque, or other building set apart primarily for the purpose of worship in which religious services are held and the main body of which is kept for that use and not put to any other use inconsistent with its primary purpose. Hmmmm..... I wonder if that would include the church headquarters building. They may have metal detectors there though, and I wouldn't blame them. |
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You cannot carry on LDS church property. I think it's a grey area. It comes down to how you or the LDS church define "house of worship". http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_053000.htm IM sterling18 he is a CCW instructor and has some other insights into the specifics of LDS church policy. House of worship: 76-10-501. Definitions. "House of worship" means a church, temple, synagogue, mosque, or other building set apart primarily for the purpose of worship in which religious services are held and the main body of which is kept for that use and not put to any other use inconsistent with its primary purpose. Hmmmm..... I wonder if that would include the church headquarters building. They may have metal detectors there though, and I wouldn't blame them. There's a chapel somewhere in the building. Not sure if that extends an umbrella over the entire building or not. If you go there during the day, get the chili cheese fries from the cafeteria. 
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Quoted: Not having my CCW on me makes me worry MORE about the "cares of the world," but.... it is what it is.A bit dated but I found this: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/no-firearms-in-latter-day-saint-houses-of-worship  |
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Quoted: Sounds like it's just a big hassle and I'll be better off not carrying at all. I hate that. Must be the boy scout in me. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You cannot carry on LDS church property. I think it's a grey area. It comes down to how you or the LDS church define "house of worship". http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_053000.htm IM sterling18 he is a CCW instructor and has some other insights into the specifics of LDS church policy. House of worship: 76-10-501. Definitions. "House of worship" means a church, temple, synagogue, mosque, or other building set apart primarily for the purpose of worship in which religious services are held and the main body of which is kept for that use and not put to any other use inconsistent with its primary purpose. Hmmmm..... I wonder if that would include the church headquarters building. They may have metal detectors there though, and I wouldn't blame them. There's a chapel somewhere in the building. Not sure if that extends an umbrella over the entire building or not. If you go there during the day, get the chili cheese fries from the cafeteria.  We'll be there late afternoon, and eating dinner at the Nauvoo Cafe.... wherever that is. |
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You cannot carry on LDS church property. As per the church, having notified the state. I think a violation is still strictly a trespass citation/charge. As far as I can remember, there are not any "no guns" signs posted. But, IMHO concealed is concealed. What security I have seen there, is pretty lax. No metal detectors, etc... at least in the publicly accessible areas that I have seen. I know it's church property, but outside on the grounds is pretty much a public area. I really wish NV would recognize our permits... hint hint...
I wish NV would too. Unfortunately, the way they wrote the CCW reciprocity law it states that the state being recognized has to have CCW requirements that meet or exceed NV's requirements. NV requires a shooting qual to get the permit, UT doesn't, so they say UT's requirements don't "meet or exceed" NV's. It's a load of crap, but it was a baby step. We didn't recognize anyone for many years. Best thing to do is get an AZ permit. Costs $60 for 5 years, 1 page of paperwork and it gave me CCW access to NV, KS, and one other state that didn't recognize Utah's permit. AZ permit doesn't even require a picture and you never have to leave your home (except for the fingerprint cards). |
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You cannot carry on LDS church property. As per the church, having notified the state. I think a violation is still strictly a trespass citation/charge. As far as I can remember, there are not any "no guns" signs posted. But, IMHO concealed is concealed. What security I have seen there, is pretty lax. No metal detectors, etc... at least in the publicly accessible areas that I have seen. I know it's church property, but outside on the grounds is pretty much a public area. I really wish NV would recognize our permits... hint hint...
I wish NV would too. Unfortunately, the way they wrote the CCW reciprocity law it states that the state being recognized has to have CCW requirements that meet or exceed NV's requirements. NV requires a shooting qual to get the permit, UT doesn't, so they say UT's requirements don't "meet or exceed" NV's. It's a load of crap, but it was a baby step. We didn't recognize anyone for many years. Best thing to do is get an AZ permit. Costs $60 for 5 years, 1 page of paperwork and it gave me CCW access to NV, KS, and one other state that didn't recognize Utah's permit. AZ permit doesn't even require a picture and you never have to leave your home (except for the fingerprint cards). The other state is New Mexico. |
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Sounds like it's just a big hassle and I'll be better off not carrying at all. I hate that. Must be the boy scout in me. Quoted:
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You cannot carry on LDS church property. I think it's a grey area. It comes down to how you or the LDS church define "house of worship". http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_053000.htm IM sterling18 he is a CCW instructor and has some other insights into the specifics of LDS church policy. House of worship: 76-10-501. Definitions. "House of worship" means a church, temple, synagogue, mosque, or other building set apart primarily for the purpose of worship in which religious services are held and the main body of which is kept for that use and not put to any other use inconsistent with its primary purpose. Hmmmm..... I wonder if that would include the church headquarters building. They may have metal detectors there though, and I wouldn't blame them. There's a chapel somewhere in the building. Not sure if that extends an umbrella over the entire building or not. If you go there during the day, get the chili cheese fries from the cafeteria.
We'll be there late afternoon, and eating dinner at the Nauvoo Cafe.... wherever that is. Not in Illinois. |
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I have carried openly at Temple Square before. Once in a thigh rig to see the Christmas lights, and another time in the restaurant, not sure of the name. I never entered the tabernacle, but I did tour the building where the large christus is on display. I was never approached, or asked to leave. This was in 2007 and 2008. I suspect now they would be more alert about open carry, but if you're concealed, who will know?
Just stay out of places you believe to be "houses of worship". The definition in the Utah code is pretty clear, IMO. |