Posted: 2/16/2009 9:22:20 PM EDT
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I sometimes hit up a plasma place to fund my habit (the gun one) and today I noticed a sign that said no guns were permitted regardless of permit. I would like to know if a business can do this in Utah or if they just randomly decided they could. There was no sign at the building entrance and this was only a small sign on the check in counter. -Dan |
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They can request that you don't bring firearms on the property. If they find out you do all they can do is ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave then they can have you cited for trespass with a firearm which is just an infraction according to Utah law.
It is unlawful for a person with a firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in the following locations: Any secure area in which firearms are prohibited and notice of the prohibition is posted A secure area of an airport Any courthouse, churches if posted, mental health facility or correctional facility that may provide by rule that no firearm may be transported, sold, given, or possessed upon the facility. At least one notice shall be prominently displayed at each entrance to a secure area in which a dangerous weapon, firearm, or explosive is restricted. (copied straight from http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FirearmLaws.html ) Just to let you know according to utah law only the State congress can decide what is considered what a secure facility is. Also I don't know if it is still a requirement but they used to be required to supply a locked bin for storing firearms and give you the key. |
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I sometimes hit up a plasma place to fund my habit (the gun one) and today I noticed a sign that said no guns were permitted regardless of permit. I would like to know if a business can do this in Utah or if they just randomly decided they could. There was no sign at the building entrance and this was only a small sign on the check in counter. -Dan Yep, they can. |
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What you will find as the challenge to you carrying is personal property rights.
They have the right to the property they own. They have the right to ask you to leave based on you carrying a gun. That being said, Concealed means concealed. They should not know you are carrying a gun. Honestly. You have made a mistake if they find out you are carrying. You can follow their sign, and not bring it in, which is your own call. Or you can wait until they find it, and deal with the consequences. Which is also your own call. As LE, technically, they can ask me to leave when I am off duty and carrying. As an example look at Disneyland. They have the same signs posted. No badge or permit can allow anyone to bring a firearm into Disneyland except for official duty. When I went through Fed firearms certification, they showed us (photocopy) the trespassing citation given to a high-ranking FBI official at Disneyland. His concealed weapon in its holster was seen by a Disneyland employee when he was getting off a ride. His badge didn't do anythig to keep him from getting escorted out of Disneyland, and getting a ticket in front of his kids and wife. So if an FBI agent can get escorted out of a private establishment, so can you! Not being weird, just letting you know. So yeah, those signs indeed carry a lot of weight. |
| Oh, I certainly don't intend not to leave if they ask me too. If that is state law then that is their right. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a 30.06 style sign law. I understand property rights are of course important but I also view the right to self defense as being important. And you are all right, concealed does mean concealed I just wanted to follow the law. Also there is a short physical the first time you go in so I had to take off my sweater. I carry a CZ75 so if I don't have a collared shirt or a jacket it isn't concealed. |
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Utah carry laws rock.
They can post it, but it means nothing. On a side note, I went to cabelas the other day and I saw a sign on the door, I ignored it... did my shopping and decided to read it on my way out. It said to check all guns at the counter unless you are open or concealed carry. In short, they are cool with open or concealed carry. 
Check out utahconcealedcarry.com; a bunch of great guys over there, they even got the no guns sign removed over at the Zoo, and the hippie book store over by the SLCC redwood campus near doug's. 
(Last time I was there anyways, I never really pay attention to those damn signs  )
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They can request that you don't bring firearms on the property. If they find out you do all they can do is ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave then they can have you cited for trespass with a firearm which is just an infraction according to Utah law. It is unlawful for a person with a firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in the following locations: Any secure area in which firearms are prohibited and notice of the prohibition is posted A secure area of an airport Any courthouse, churches if posted, mental health facility or correctional facility that may provide by rule that no firearm may be transported, sold, given, or possessed upon the facility. At least one notice shall be prominently displayed at each entrance to a secure area in which a dangerous weapon, firearm, or explosive is restricted. (copied straight from http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FirearmLaws.html ) This information is correct. The signs do not have any 30.06 meaning in Utah. If they see your firearm, they can ask you to leave. If they do, leave immediately. No problems. If they do ask you to leave and you don't, the PD can come in and issue a trespass citation. You don't want that. |
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What plasma place was it? I went to PCC in Orem behind Big 5, and don't remember seeing those signs. I carried there every time I went except for the first time (when they have to do that stupid physical) with no problems. Although I have to admit I never look for signs since I know they don't mean squat.
ETA: Last time I went to Cabelas, the sign said that concealed carry permit holders were exempt from the "no loaded firearms" rule. Did they change that? |
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ETA: Last time I went to Cabelas, the sign said that concealed carry permit holders were exempt from the "no loaded firearms" rule. Did they change that? That's pretty much what it said, at first quick look while walking by it looked like a no guns sign...but it just said that open and concealed firearms were not required to be checked at the desk... not a word for word quote... 
first time I had seen that sign and I thought it was kinda cool 
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