[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 9/11 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/23/2008 8:31:23 AM EDT
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I'm watching a show from the National Geographic channel about 9/11. It makes me sick to see people today act like it was some kind of inside job, "fire won't melt steel" and other such tripe. WTF is going on with this country? Why the F can we not all be on the same page with wiping the face of the earth of such scumbags? ARRRRGG!!!   -Mark. |
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Agreed. I don't see why it's so hard for people to realize that we were indeed attacked and that we should rid the planet of those shitbags.....short answer.....it's not PC to think that another race of people doesn't like us Americans; it's better to make it polictical and against ourselves.
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Sometimes I do wonder. Yeah, I know, tin-foil hat time.... Were we attacked simply by outside jihadi forces working on their own, or were these outside forces (mainly Saudi's - curious that.) somehow aided and abetted by agents working for and within our own system? I have seen and experienced first hand enough of government assisted murder with Hungerford and Dunblane to know that politicians, and agents of the government, have little to no qualms over contriving to facilitate unhinged individuals perpetrating such massacres in order to drive public opinion towards a given ulterior end result. We'll never know. Cheers 7.62 |
Dude - WTF? YOU may never know. Those of us who live in the real world understand that we were lax and got sucker punched. |
 I sincerely hope you are just tinfoil hatting this one. |
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In the bizarre scheme of things......I was going to flight school in Az. the same time as some of the aforementioned scumbags.....at the same school.....I'm sure I probably shared airspace with em or flew some of the same planes they did. Its a matter of only if I knew then what I know now.
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 There is nothing fishy about that building coming down. I have heard theories, and there is no, I repeat NO evidence that anything other then damage from the other towers falling casued that building to come down. Spread your horseshit somwhere else. |
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I find it interesting how people with zero knowledge about metallurgy start coming out of the woodworks with these theories which are so asinine, I can't help but laugh. You can't take these people seriously, because if you do, you'll end up giving yourself an aneurysm. |
That tin foil aint working... |
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Personally...it's just sad....that people would drink that kool aid real quick....just like the moon landing was fake. I for one will not accept that one guy wacked JFK. I do believe in UFO's because my brother and dad witnessed and saw one for 10 seconds in South Salem rural, Cigar shaped and glowing and then it disapeared like star trek style. To this day my brother and dad are annoyed when I ask them about it. Back to 911. Not an inside job otherwise they would fall under the same logic that the Kobar Tower bombings, the USS Cole, embassy bombings in Sudan and Kenya....and even BlackHawk down was an inside job. To me..it was a failure on many parts and in the end thousands died. I wish we had a serious TOTAL WAR footing in fighting this islamic scum shit like we defeated the Nazis and Japanese. TOTAL WAR....but sadly we can't arrest and do stuff to people like we did in WWII...thanks to FDR. Would be nice but we got this thing called the Bill of Rights...so.... anyways...911... inside job....right...........go drink your milk and finish your cookies.. its way past your bedtime. 
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Was it is an inside job? NO Is it criminal that politicians are using it to forward their own agendas? YES The people who did this are opposed to everything American. Changing our way of life and our "image" (as these politicians are trying to do) will not solve anything. It is pretty sad when our own elected politicians will finish the job that the terrorists started. |
And what the hell is that supposed to mean? Our way of life HAS changed as a result of 9/11. SAying that our elected officials will "finish the job" is assinine. Should they have just turned thier cheek? SHould they have done nothing? What exactly is it that they are doing that is "finishing the job"?
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Agreed. That pesky little thing called "physics", just keeps getting in their way. |
I believe that the politicians will be the ruin of the US. I agree with the war, but not the way that Congress seems to want it. They should have declared war, not side skipped their jobs and authorized the President to go to war if he wanted. That is the chickenshit way out. It is Congress’s JOB to declare war if needed, AND take the repercussions of their decisions. Not blame the Pres. when it goes wrong and bask in the glory when it goes right. With the “Homeland Security” laws that are being passed, and the banking boondoggle that Congress turns a blind eye to (at least the parts they were not actively participating in); they will take the US into the depths of the abyss. Add the fact that the Democrats who are running at the moment seem to want to appease the terrorists rather than wipe them off the face of the earth, and this (to me) is spells a rough time ahead. Yes, life for many changed after 9/11. For some of us, it just highlights a long failure of the political process and a complete misunderstanding of the enemy. The FIRST attack on the Twin Towers (or Kobar, or the Cole, or Beruit, or....) should have been the call to arms and the wake-up. All were quite a bit of time before 9/11. Kobar and the Cole were my wake-up calls. I was at Kobar and lost friends. I also have friends who were permanently maimed on the Cole. It just really upsets me that it took 9/11 before people started to take notice. It upsets me even more that they seem to be forgetting, while letting things proceed to "protect" themselves that don't really protect anyone. (Sorry for the long rant, just frustrated with much of life at the moment). |
Let me guess you are a highly educated engineer with a masters in metalurgy and have a doctorate in physics to be able to make a statement like that right? So there is no reason for that tower to have collapsed except for the fact that it was an "inside job".
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#5 went down due to a large part of tower #2 falling on it. They don't build sky scrapers to take the brunt of another taller building falling on top of them. The other towers came down due to the planes hitting them and fire weakning the tower steel. It does not take much compromise of the tower's structural strength to cause it to start to twist and sway. After that, gravity takes over. These towers are in a delicate dance with gravity. Trip them up just slightly and gravity starts to lead the dance. |
Gotcha. I just misread the intent of your post. |
No, but i did switch to Gieko and saved $300 on car insurance  yeah i dunno if it's an inside job or real or w.e. it would be nice if the govt would come out with a good explanation to what happened and to disprove the theories. what ever it is, it already happened. The towers are gone, Afghan and iraq are in rubble and a bitch has a chance to become president |
The theories have been disproved yet people like you continue to spread the lies. The burden of proof does not lie on the hands of the government. If you have actual evidence that proves it was an inside job, then by all means step up and lets hear it. Otherwise give it a rest. Every time one of you troofer idiots spreads that crap its a slap in the face the men and women that died that day. Its a slap in the face to every person that is or has ever served in the military and defended old glory. I know at least of few people in this forum that dont take being slapped in the face very well. |
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Well I myself don't like being called an asshole either Cape but I turn the other cheek and move on. I see kooks and weirdos with 911 signs all over...if I had a week to live, I would do things to them. If I saw a ACLU hat in Portland...I would do things to it. But more or less..it's their free speech and 1st amendment right. The better question to me Cape if you can answer is like how do you know when its defamation?? For instance...I know for a fact that the moon landing kooks went after Buzz Aldrin and he socked the guy in the face. It was his right....same with the POW that spit on Jane Fonda during her book tour. Same POW who was visited by Jane Fonda in Hanoi. When does it reach defamation and character assassination? How far are they willing to go??? I myself don't believe it was an inside job but I would like it for them to disprove the kooks once and for all just like a simple telescope look at the moon will show the stuff is there like the US Flag and the moon rover and other stuff we left there. I can't wait to see the looks on their faces when its disproved. Then what do they do? Can we bet with them that if there theory was shot down they can drink the same kool aid like Jim jones? 
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Again, what needs disproving? The moon landing? Give me break. Again the burden of proof is not in the hands of the government/taxpayers. Its in the hands of the kooks. Have proof, step up. Otherwise STFU. Its really as simple as that. As for the deformation comment, your smarter then that. You know as well as I that there is no generic point in which things are considered deformation. That is just a legal term used to win lawsuits not measure anything real world. If you want to call it that, knock yourself out but the bottom line is its disrespectful and dishonorable. |
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Disrespectful and dishonorable. I agree....don't argue with me on that point. I'm just saying that as long as its out there...they will always use it as a sticking point. I just wish we can tell them to STFU and move on after shoving some die hard proof in their face. Not that we need proof, it's there already and it has happened but like a pimple in the ass it's still there. |
I hear ya. 
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Sad part is...you are right about the "we'll never know". I would really like to believe that it was all from outside our system, but too many little things leave me a little unconvinced either way. And yes, I served, too. But to calm alot of the "conspiracy" feelings out there...why won't they show the film footage of a 757 flying a few feet off the ground, all the way down the street, into the side of the Pentagon? There should be enough footage of that from the convenience store footage, and from the cams on every corner of the Pentagon, but nothing has ever been released to show the actual plane coming in. why? dunno. Okay, I'll go back to cinching my tin hat down now 
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Give me a fucking break. Did you ever think that there just inst any other video? I mean when has it been sop for convince stores to have cameras pointed at the street? On that note, please tell us what info you have that would make you think there is other video? Take your fucking conspiracy theories over to DU. You'll fit right in!!!
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No really. I think there is a possibility it may have been extra terrestrials taking a part. They are mad that we are pretending we have engaged in spaceflight. If we wouldn't have faked that moon landing we probably wouldn't be in this mess. |
I never said they were MY theories. The videos from the convenience store were confiscated that same day, as were any videos from the cams that cover all sides of the Pentagon (and that is SOP). They have never been released in entirety. I never said why or what I thought they might show. I don't know. If you read my first post on this, I stated I didn't have a side in this. I still don't, and no one will convince me either way, based on what we have all seen and heard so far. But the fact that the videos were never released for public viewing just seems odd. Maybe there isn't anything to be seen in them, even though the camera angle of the convenience store cam plainly showed their front entrance and the street which the plane would have had to be flying down to hit at the angle it hit at. And the Pentagon security cams would have definitely shown something, other than the normal shot, then an explosion. Where was the plane?? I don't know. But something did hit it. With that, I'll let it go. Sorry for having an opinion. |
OMG, your kidding me? When you say you dont have a side all that means is you still believe it could of been an inside job. Let me ask you, what is it that you think your going to see on those vids? How is it that not releasing them = conspiracy? Again the burden of proof is not the government/taxpayers shoulders. Why should the gov spend the time nad resources to acknowledge these nut bag conspiracies? |
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No, I haven't taken a side either way. In my mind, I sure hope it was an outside job. I would hate to think that our gov't would stoop to that for political/economical/etc. reasons. Even though we have done it in the past, but nothing to this magnitude. As for what the vids might or might not show, who knows. I just have a hard time believing that these nut bags were that good of pilots to be able to fly that particular plane in, the way they said was done. That's all I'm saying. If they did, then we must have some pretty darn good flight schools or they were just really lucky, or.....I don't know. But hey, whatever we all decide to believe, right or wrong, is our right. Not a conspiracy theorist/believer/preacher or anything of the sort. Just someone who thinks outside the box now and then and not necessarily believes everything that I hear. Sorry if I offended, wasn't my intent. |
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I was watching TV one morning when they cut to New York. They said a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. They showed smoke coming out of the building. A reporter went around interviewing "eye witnesses." They all said that a small plane like a single engine Cessna had flown into it. He went around repeating this. But then he asked an old lady and she said, "NO, those people are all wrong. It was a big plane like a passenger jet." The news reported derided her for saying that, the tone of voice was like he was saying she was a crazy old lady. He went on interviewing other "eye witnesses" and repeating the small plane story. A few minutes later on live TV the second plane crashes into the WTC and I mumbled, "The old lady was right." Make your own judgments about the reporter and his "eye witnesses". As bad as they were, the people making stuff up now years later are far worse. |
They were trained by the extra terrestrial beings I was talking about. C'mon they know how to fly. How else would they get around the universe? I think I read somewhere that they did a mind meld on the guys that were in the cockpit who were actually trying to purchase a convenience store. Mind control is a powerful thing. |
huh ? I'm a brit, I was there during both these F'd up events. What did the Gov have to do with that mental twat Hamilton shooting up a gym full of five and six year old schoolchildren ? Or Ryan randomly shooting people enjoying picnics on the villiage green in Hungerford ? WTF are you going on about ? What did you experience "first hand " ? |
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Haven't you seen the documentary on operation Treadstone? |
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Things are not always as they mast first seem to be..... The Gulf of Tonkin Incident defined the beginning of large-scale involvement of U.S. armed forces in Vietnam. It was a pair of supposed attacks carried out by naval forces of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) against two American destroyers, the USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy. The incident occurred on August 2 and 4, 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin.[1] The outcome of the incident was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for escalating American involvement in the Vietnam Conflict, which lasted until 1975. In 2005, it was revealed in an official NSA declassified report[2] that the Maddox first fired warning shots on the August 2 incident and that there may have been no North Vietnamese boats at the August 4 incident. The report said http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident |
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Yes, governments can and do lie. However as Cape (and others) have said: if you have proof of a conspiracy of 9/11, show it. If you show it and it is credible, we will believe it. Popular Mechanics has done a thorough debunking of 9/11 conspiracy theories: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html ...and they continue to respond to nutbars who insist on ignoring facts: http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/ ETA: M-60 and Cape, it makes me VERY happy that you two have had the cojones to step up and speak out here...too often on the errornet, people ignore these discussions, and the more the conspiracies get repeated, the more people take them as "fact." |