Posted: 10/18/2015 11:27:32 AM EDT
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Woke up this morning and the main floor was 62, furnace set to 70. Just got through checking everything out, no obvious problems. Furnace is a propane-fired unit, (yep I've got propane,) but is not a pilot-light system. It has instant ignighters which I cannot verify are working; unit is a 9 yr old Rudd unit.
New filter installed, no obstructions noticed. Breakers checked and toggled A/C cut-off switch verified, unit has power Thermostat verified, replaced batteries and can toggle furnace fan continuous. On my unit I see no diagnostic LED's flashing to indicate a code. Out of ideas at this point, I'm planning on calling a service tech out in the morning but hoping I'm missing something obvious. |
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John is a member here and works out of Roswell. call/text 770-365-8860...Helped me and friends out on several occasions. I forget his screen name.
If you have an extra stat laying around I would try that. Usually on mine it'll go through the startup sequence then turn off if its an ignitor, flame sensor, etc. Last time I had a loose ground wire. |
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Thanks guys, I didn't try jumpering anything I may try that in a bit. I got a recommendation on a service guy from a buddy, may just wait and let that person check it out.
So much for a lazy Sunday afternoon.... Upate, takes to John that CPL recommended walked me through jumpering the control wires at the furnace; everything started up correctly. His verdict is it's the white wire inside the wall or thermostat so his recommendation was to make a HD/Lowes run. |
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Quoted: I had the same issue 2 yrs ago. Came home from work and my heater was blowing cold air. It was the igniter. Don't know how to check it, but I paid a little over $200 for some guy to come out for 15 mins and change a $15-30 part. |
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I had the same issue 2 yrs ago. Came home from work and my heater was blowing cold air. It was the igniter. Don't know how to check it, but I paid a little over $200 for some guy to come out for 15 mins and change a $15-30 part. I can understand compensating someone for their time and commute, but $24x.xx for 15 mins and a $15-30 part? No way. I get they can charge what ever they want because when people call them they don't have any choice. My AC capacitor went out about 2 months ago, luckily I had the time to figure out what was wrong and changed the part myself for around $28.00. |
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I can understand compensating someone for their time and commute, but $24x.xx for 15 mins and a $15-30 part? No way. I get they can charge what ever they want because when people call them they don't have any choice. My AC capacitor went out about 2 months ago, luckily I had the time to figure out what was wrong and changed the part myself for around $28.00. Quoted:
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I had the same issue 2 yrs ago. Came home from work and my heater was blowing cold air. It was the igniter. Don't know how to check it, but I paid a little over $200 for some guy to come out for 15 mins and change a $15-30 part. I can understand compensating someone for their time and commute, but $24x.xx for 15 mins and a $15-30 part? No way. I get they can charge what ever they want because when people call them they don't have any choice. My AC capacitor went out about 2 months ago, luckily I had the time to figure out what was wrong and changed the part myself for around $28.00. It costs at least $10k per year for his truck tools etc. He likely went to school for 2 years and had 10+ years of experience. He was taken out of service for likely 2 hours for your call. Make sense or do we need to elaborate? |
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I had the same issue 2 yrs ago. Came home from work and my heater was blowing cold air. It was the igniter. Don't know how to check it, but I paid a little over $200 for some guy to come out for 15 mins and change a $15-30 part. I can understand compensating someone for their time and commute, but $24x.xx for 15 mins and a $15-30 part? No way. I get they can charge what ever they want because when people call them they don't have any choice. My AC capacitor went out about 2 months ago, luckily I had the time to figure out what was wrong and changed the part myself for around $28.00. It costs at least $10k per year for his truck tools etc. He likely went to school for 2 years and had 10+ years of experience. He was taken out of service for likely 2 hours for your call. Make sense or do we need to elaborate? I have a BBA in Finance so I think I know what overhead is. At my previous job i dealt with a lot of self employed people from many different fields. I don't care if you don't agree with me, but I feel people like that take advantage of others due to the situation. He went to a two yr tech school. He is not a lawyer or doctor. |
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I have a BBA in Finance so I think I know what overhead is. At my previous job i dealt with a lot of self employed people from many different fields. I don't care if you don't agree with me, but I feel people like that take advantage of others due to the situation. He went to a two yr tech school. He is not a lawyer or doctor. Quoted:
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I had the same issue 2 yrs ago. Came home from work and my heater was blowing cold air. It was the igniter. Don't know how to check it, but I paid a little over $200 for some guy to come out for 15 mins and change a $15-30 part. I can understand compensating someone for their time and commute, but $24x.xx for 15 mins and a $15-30 part? No way. I get they can charge what ever they want because when people call them they don't have any choice. My AC capacitor went out about 2 months ago, luckily I had the time to figure out what was wrong and changed the part myself for around $28.00. It costs at least $10k per year for his truck tools etc. He likely went to school for 2 years and had 10+ years of experience. He was taken out of service for likely 2 hours for your call. Make sense or do we need to elaborate? I have a BBA in Finance so I think I know what overhead is. At my previous job i dealt with a lot of self employed people from many different fields. I don't care if you don't agree with me, but I feel people like that take advantage of others due to the situation. He went to a two yr tech school. He is not a lawyer or doctor. It would have taken a doctor or a lawyer 3-4 times as long. ;) |
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I had the same issue 2 yrs ago. Came home from work and my heater was blowing cold air. It was the igniter. Don't know how to check it, but I paid a little over $200 for some guy to come out for 15 mins and change a $15-30 part. I once charged a client $250 to drive out and reset a GFI. They called and said they had no power on any of the exterior outlets. I walked them through diagnosing and determined it was a gfi very likely in the garage very likely in the middle of the front wall to which they swore up and down there wasn't one and that they would happily pay the $250 trip charge. I arrived, proceeded to find the GFI buried behind crap in the front of the garage, reset , tested, reset and handed the client a bill for $250 within 5 min of arrival. They bitched about paying me $250 to push a button. I explained that the button push was free, but driving out there & knowing where the button was to push was the $250 
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I once charged a client $250 to drive out and reset a GFI. They called and said they had no power on any of the exterior outlets. I walked them through diagnosing and determined it was a gfi very likely in the garage very likely in the middle of the front wall to which they swore up and down there wasn't one and that they would happily pay the $250 trip charge. I arrived, proceeded to find the GFI buried behind crap in the front of the garage, reset , tested, reset and handed the client a bill for $250 within 5 min of arrival. They bitched about paying me $250 to push a button. I explained that the button push was free, but driving out there & knowing where the button was to push was the $250
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I had the same issue 2 yrs ago. Came home from work and my heater was blowing cold air. It was the igniter. Don't know how to check it, but I paid a little over $200 for some guy to come out for 15 mins and change a $15-30 part. I once charged a client $250 to drive out and reset a GFI. They called and said they had no power on any of the exterior outlets. I walked them through diagnosing and determined it was a gfi very likely in the garage very likely in the middle of the front wall to which they swore up and down there wasn't one and that they would happily pay the $250 trip charge. I arrived, proceeded to find the GFI buried behind crap in the front of the garage, reset , tested, reset and handed the client a bill for $250 within 5 min of arrival. They bitched about paying me $250 to push a button. I explained that the button push was free, but driving out there & knowing where the button was to push was the $250
Hahaha love it Dave! The button push was free. ;). Thanks for the plug rob! Hope all is well on your end! |
| Also if you want us to take more time completing the job so you feel like you got your money's worth, we can;however there is an extra charge for that....most of us are good(quick) at what we do because we have seen it so many times before and know the products. Send a rookie out and he might sell you 4 parts you didn't need before diagnosing the pressure tube was blocked and you could have fixed it yourself with a paper clip. Find a guy you trust and pay his prices before someone you don't know takes you to the cleaners, and delays your next tax stamp several years |
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Also if you want us to take more time completing the job so you feel like you got your money's worth, we can;however there is an extra charge for that....most of us are good(quick) at what we do because we have seen it so many times before and know the products. Send a rookie out and he might sell you 4 parts you didn't need before diagnosing the pressure tube was blocked and you could have fixed it yourself with a paper clip. Find a guy you trust and pay his prices before someone you don't know takes you to the cleaners, and delays your next tax stamp several years My short version of this that I tell my customers who question or complain about my pricing is: I would rather explain cost one time than to explain quality every time. Most of them get it, those that don't get fired as customers pretty quick. |
| Yeah yesterday i turned mine on for the first time. the blower never turned on .. my repair guy came today and unfortunately my new furnace(under warranty) was good.. i had a bird nest in the air output tube and was preventing the furnace from turning on(my furnace has a lot to do with suction). $100. He said it was his second one today dealing with birds. the last one had followed the entire output line and died in the furnace. He had to take it out in pieces. |
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Yeah yesterday i turned mine on for the first time. the blower never turned on .. my repair guy came today and unfortunately my new furnace(under warranty) was good.. i had a bird nest in the air output tube and was preventing the furnace from turning on(my furnace has a lot to do with suction). $100. He said it was his second one today dealing with birds. the last one had followed the entire output line and died in the furnace. He had to take it out in pieces. Nice, no birds or nests in mind. I was amble to jumper the unit and get everything to fire up normal but it's obvious it's not receiving a T-Stat command. I am stopped the new T-stat didn't work, I double checked all settings and wiring, God I hate pluming and HVAC. |
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I have a BBA in Finance so I think I know what overhead is. At my previous job i dealt with a lot of self employed people from many different fields. I don't care if you don't agree with me, but I feel people like that take advantage of others due to the situation. He went to a two yr tech school. He is not a lawyer or doctor. Quoted:
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I had the same issue 2 yrs ago. Came home from work and my heater was blowing cold air. It was the igniter. Don't know how to check it, but I paid a little over $200 for some guy to come out for 15 mins and change a $15-30 part. I can understand compensating someone for their time and commute, but $24x.xx for 15 mins and a $15-30 part? No way. I get they can charge what ever they want because when people call them they don't have any choice. My AC capacitor went out about 2 months ago, luckily I had the time to figure out what was wrong and changed the part myself for around $28.00. It costs at least $10k per year for his truck tools etc. He likely went to school for 2 years and had 10+ years of experience. He was taken out of service for likely 2 hours for your call. Make sense or do we need to elaborate? I have a BBA in Finance so I think I know what overhead is. At my previous job i dealt with a lot of self employed people from many different fields. I don't care if you don't agree with me, but I feel people like that take advantage of others due to the situation. He went to a two yr tech school. He is not a lawyer or doctor. Another "educated" person thinking that they are superior and worth a lot more than someone else that works with their hands
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Quoted: Also if you want us to take more time completing the job so you feel like you got your money's worth, we can;however there is an extra charge for that....most of us are good(quick) at what we do because we have seen it so many times before and know the products. Send a rookie out and he might sell you 4 parts you didn't need before diagnosing the pressure tube was blocked and you could have fixed it yourself with a paper clip. Find a guy you trust and pay his prices before someone you don't know takes you to the cleaners, and delays your next tax stamp several years Yep, I make what I do in IT because I've been doing it twenty years and can frequently diagnose and fix a problem while a less experienced admin is still poking around trying to figure out the environment. Current engagement is an example - manager I'm working for had been requesting system configuration information from the other vendors involved for months, if not a year. My first day, I had some spare time and went poking around and got him what he needed in short order (along with a list of "ok, if I was in charge, these are some of the things I'd fix, in case the client is interested"). Didn't hurt that I figured out they were using a model of storage array that not only isn't very common, I'd configured and administered the first one installed at a customer site in Georgia... |
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Quoted: Yep, I make what I do in IT because I've been doing it twenty years and can frequently diagnose and fix a problem while a less experienced admin is still poking around trying to figure out the environment. Current engagement is an example - manager I'm working for had been requesting system configuration information from the other vendors involved for months, if not a year. My first day, I had some spare time and went poking around and got him what he needed in short order (along with a list of "ok, if I was in charge, these are some of the things I'd fix, in case the client is interested"). Didn't hurt that I figured out they were using a model of storage array that not only isn't very common, I'd configured and administered the first one installed at a customer site in Georgia... Quoted: Quoted: Also if you want us to take more time completing the job so you feel like you got your money's worth, we can;however there is an extra charge for that....most of us are good(quick) at what we do because we have seen it so many times before and know the products. Send a rookie out and he might sell you 4 parts you didn't need before diagnosing the pressure tube was blocked and you could have fixed it yourself with a paper clip. Find a guy you trust and pay his prices before someone you don't know takes you to the cleaners, and delays your next tax stamp several years Yep, I make what I do in IT because I've been doing it twenty years and can frequently diagnose and fix a problem while a less experienced admin is still poking around trying to figure out the environment. Current engagement is an example - manager I'm working for had been requesting system configuration information from the other vendors involved for months, if not a year. My first day, I had some spare time and went poking around and got him what he needed in short order (along with a list of "ok, if I was in charge, these are some of the things I'd fix, in case the client is interested"). Didn't hurt that I figured out they were using a model of storage array that not only isn't very common, I'd configured and administered the first one installed at a customer site in Georgia... |
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Quoted: I'd pay tree fiddy tops. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Also if you want us to take more time completing the job so you feel like you got your money's worth, we can;however there is an extra charge for that....most of us are good(quick) at what we do because we have seen it so many times before and know the products. Send a rookie out and he might sell you 4 parts you didn't need before diagnosing the pressure tube was blocked and you could have fixed it yourself with a paper clip. Find a guy you trust and pay his prices before someone you don't know takes you to the cleaners, and delays your next tax stamp several years Yep, I make what I do in IT because I've been doing it twenty years and can frequently diagnose and fix a problem while a less experienced admin is still poking around trying to figure out the environment. Current engagement is an example - manager I'm working for had been requesting system configuration information from the other vendors involved for months, if not a year. My first day, I had some spare time and went poking around and got him what he needed in short order (along with a list of "ok, if I was in charge, these are some of the things I'd fix, in case the client is interested"). Didn't hurt that I figured out they were using a model of storage array that not only isn't very common, I'd configured and administered the first one installed at a customer site in Georgia... Believe me, the client engagement I'm on right now is paying a LOT more than that... Bad part is that they only have a couple of hours worth of a work for me a day, but I'm here M-F - and they're paying for airfare, hotel, meals, etc... |
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Quoted: Believe me, the client engagement I'm on right now is paying a LOT more than that... Bad part is that they only have a couple of hours worth of a work for me a day, but I'm here M-F - and they're paying for airfare, hotel, meals, etc... Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Also if you want us to take more time completing the job so you feel like you got your money's worth, we can;however there is an extra charge for that....most of us are good(quick) at what we do because we have seen it so many times before and know the products. Send a rookie out and he might sell you 4 parts you didn't need before diagnosing the pressure tube was blocked and you could have fixed it yourself with a paper clip. Find a guy you trust and pay his prices before someone you don't know takes you to the cleaners, and delays your next tax stamp several years Yep, I make what I do in IT because I've been doing it twenty years and can frequently diagnose and fix a problem while a less experienced admin is still poking around trying to figure out the environment. Current engagement is an example - manager I'm working for had been requesting system configuration information from the other vendors involved for months, if not a year. My first day, I had some spare time and went poking around and got him what he needed in short order (along with a list of "ok, if I was in charge, these are some of the things I'd fix, in case the client is interested"). Didn't hurt that I figured out they were using a model of storage array that not only isn't very common, I'd configured and administered the first one installed at a customer site in Georgia... Believe me, the client engagement I'm on right now is paying a LOT more than that... Bad part is that they only have a couple of hours worth of a work for me a day, but I'm here M-F - and they're paying for airfare, hotel, meals, etc... They sent me to Nashville to move two thermostats. Told me to be there a 0700 Nashville time. So I was. Called the GC and was he ever pissed. Been to bed for about two have hrs. After hours only job. So I waited, spent lots of time on Broadway listening to music and showed up at 1700 only to find I didn't have the stuff to move them. They were pneumatic stats. I called every parts house I could and they all acted like I was speaking Greek. So I drove home. Got up the next and picked up what I needed, then ran a couple of calls and drove back up there. It took 1-1/2 hour to move the stats. Cost them a shit load of money. GC didn't want a local company he wanted us. |
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Ok, issue is resolved thanks to John. Root Cause was a bent pin on the contact for the old thermostat. While he was here I had him install a 'smart' wi-fi thermostat, seemed it was the least that I could do for his time and trouble. Is that contact strip hidden behind the thermostat panel? If so, how the hell did it get bent in the first place??? I'm keeping tabs on this thread since my heater also failed to fire this weekend. I'm betting it's the igniter, but I won't know for sure until I get it out and test it this evening. |
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Is that contact strip hidden behind the thermostat panel? If so, how the hell did it get bent in the first place??? I'm keeping tabs on this thread since my heater also failed to fire this weekend. I'm betting it's the igniter, but I won't know for sure until I get it out and test it this evening. Quoted:
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Ok, issue is resolved thanks to John. Root Cause was a bent pin on the contact for the old thermostat. While he was here I had him install a 'smart' wi-fi thermostat, seemed it was the least that I could do for his time and trouble. Is that contact strip hidden behind the thermostat panel? If so, how the hell did it get bent in the first place??? I'm keeping tabs on this thread since my heater also failed to fire this weekend. I'm betting it's the igniter, but I won't know for sure until I get it out and test it this evening. Yes and honestly I have no idea but considering it A) worked fine up until recently and B) the way this thing fits on the contact frame it's very obvious I did it while changing out batteries. So, this is self induced for sure. John hooked me up with a lot nicer Honeywell that's 'connected.' |
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Just a FYI I have been using two eco bee thermostats for a couple months now. Really impressed with them and got $200 in rebates from the thug mafia that I buy power from And exactly how nigh do you think the power should cost? I got an idea, quit you job, buy a power plant, and generate your own power..... Oh wait, that's already been done...n
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And exactly how nigh do you think the power should cost? I got an idea, quit you job, buy a power plant, and generate your own power..... Oh wait, that's already been done...n Quoted:
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Just a FYI I have been using two eco bee thermostats for a couple months now. Really impressed with them and got $200 in rebates from the thug mafia that I buy power from And exactly how nigh do you think the power should cost? I got an idea, quit you job, buy a power plant, and generate your own power..... Oh wait, that's already been done...n If I could legally sell it I would!! |
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Just a FYI I have been using two eco bee thermostats for a couple months now. Really impressed with them and got $200 in rebates from the thug mafia that I buy power from And exactly how nigh do you think the power should cost? I got an idea, quit you job, buy a power plant, and generate your own power..... Oh wait, that's already been done...n If I could legally sell it I would!! You can. It's called an EMC |
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Just a FYI I have been using two eco bee thermostats for a couple months now. Really impressed with them and got $200 in rebates from the thug mafia that I buy power from And exactly how nigh do you think the power should cost? I got an idea, quit you job, buy a power plant, and generate your own power..... Oh wait, that's already been done...n If I could legally sell it I would!! You can. It's called an EMC I have just been growing my own. oh wait! wrong topic..
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Just a FYI I have been using two eco bee thermostats for a couple months now. Really impressed with them and got $200 in rebates from the thug mafia that I buy power from And exactly how nigh do you think the power should cost? I got an idea, quit you job, buy a power plant, and generate your own power..... Oh wait, that's already been done...n If I could legally sell it I would!! You can. It's called an EMC Actually no. EMCs are brokers. GA Power has exclusive rights to produce power in Ga. Perhaps Oglethorpe as well? The GPSC regultaes that. If I could set up a 20 KW NG generator and back feed like I had a solar system, I'd be golden. |
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Cat across the interstate from sixflags generates their own and even sells what they don't use back to Georgia power. ...So does YKK in Macon...or they used to anyway.....They would even start up and feed GaPwr during peak times of the summer as a secondary source to ease the strain back then.... |
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Cat across the interstate from sixflags generates their own and even sells what they don't use back to Georgia power. ...So does YKK in Macon...or they used to anyway.....They would even start up and feed GaPwr during peak times of the summer as a secondary source to ease the strain back then.... Lots of commercial (and some private) do it. It's not against the law to generate your own power. As mentioned gpc will buy your exceed. They'll even advise you on how to set it up and hook it up to the distribution network |
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It's a very complicated set of laws and I don't know when the last time is that solar program was open to new customers. There are laws dating back to the 70s they are trying to fix to make it easier for investors to build renewables. A lot of the ga power ads look like it's easy, but they have obstructed distributed generation at many times. A plant or building can have on site generation, but federal epa laws prohibit running generators in many areas for peak shaving. |
| Not quite. Yes, gpc has opposed several changes to the laws for renewables. But their argument is that the law is a flat rate comparable to what the customer is paying. The problem is the customer isn't only paying for generation. They are also paying for distribution and the retail side of it. That's why gpc opposes some of those regulation changes. Their argument is that solar panels are only generation and not taking into account the distribution side at all. Percentage wise what they have suggested is much higher pay back than anywhere else in the US |