Posted: 5/4/2014 4:48:44 PM EDT
Just wanted to share this in case any of you are looking for steel targets. I purchase two of these 12 inch rounds from Targetman, LLC about a year ago. They have held up well to .225/5.56 and 7.62x39. This weekend the mounting ear broke off one of mine. Targetman, LLC's response was that they will not replace it because targets are meant to get beat up. Poor design and the mounting holes should just be cut into the round instead of on an ear. This company's customer service and product sucks. 
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Just wanted to share this in case any of you are looking for steel targets. I purchase two of these 12 inch rounds from Targetman, LLC about a year ago. They have held up well to .225/5.56 and 7.62x39. This weekend the mounting ear broke off one of mine. Targetman, LLC's response was that they will not replace it because targets are meant to get beat up. Poor design and the mounting holes should just be cut into the round instead of on an ear. This company's customer service and product sucks.
<a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/Greglat1/media/photo104_zps12386c26.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh573/Greglat1/photo104_zps12386c26.jpg</a> If you knew that then why did you buy that design? |
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Welding it, just like cutting it with a torch, will change the properties of the metro making it more brittle.
Funny thing is I was going to buy some of these targets and asked here. I was warned in just about every other post not to get them with ears for this exact reason. Guess they were right... |
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Just wanted to share this in case any of you are looking for steel targets. I purchase two of these 12 inch rounds from Targetman, LLC about a year ago. They have held up well to .225/5.56 and 7.62x39. This weekend the mounting ear broke off one of mine. Targetman, LLC's response was that they will not replace it because targets are meant to get beat up. Poor design and the mounting holes should just be cut into the round instead of on an ear. This company's customer service and product sucks.
<a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/Greglat1/media/photo104_zps12386c26.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh573/Greglat1/photo104_zps12386c26.jpg</a> If you knew that then why did you buy that design? Well, I didn't know this design was crap until this weekend when it broke. Just trying to warn others when shopping for steel. Now I know better. No, I don't have a welder. Perhaps this would be a good time to finally buy one. |
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What are they, like $40? Chill Francis. Buy another one and be good for another year. Eta They don't do well against 300 wm either. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/makeitflyfaster/media/20140426_211523_zpslwc01obr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y433/makeitflyfaster/20140426_211523_zpslwc01obr.jpg</a> Were you able to confirm it was 300WM? How? |
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What are they, like $40? Chill Francis. Buy another one and be good for another year. Eta They don't do well against 300 wm either. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/makeitflyfaster/media/20140426_211523_zpslwc01obr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y433/makeitflyfaster/20140426_211523_zpslwc01obr.jpg</a> Were you able to confirm it was 300WM? How? Thats not AR500 Steel if a 300wm did that....unless the idiot shot it at like a 100yards or less.....and even then. |
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Let me get this straight. You shot a $40 piece of steel for a year with rifles After a year of shooting a small piece broke off due to metal fatigue. The company sucks because they won't give you a new one. 
You get what you pay for I guess. Lesson learned. Just to clarify- I've owned it for a year but only shoot once a month and rotate between the two I have. So I maybe got 5-6 actual range session with the steel. Kinda expected it to last a little bit longer than that. |
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Thats not AR500 Steel if a 300wm did that....unless the idiot shot it at like a 100yards or less.....and even then. Quoted:
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What are they, like $40? Chill Francis. Buy another one and be good for another year. Eta They don't do well against 300 wm either. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/makeitflyfaster/media/20140426_211523_zpslwc01obr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y433/makeitflyfaster/20140426_211523_zpslwc01obr.jpg</a> Were you able to confirm it was 300WM? How? Thats not AR500 Steel if a 300wm did that....unless the idiot shot it at like a 100yards or less.....and even then. I agree... I've pounded the piss out of my steel targets FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW from MGM, JC Steel, and other places with .300WM and .300 H&H among others OUT PAST 100 YARDS and they have no where near the pits that target does. Bad design... the mfg has chose to lose a customer, and possibly others, over what has already been pointed out as an inexpensive target. I see the OP's point. ETA- I hold regularly scheduled rifle classes and my targets have taken THOUSANDS of rounds, not just me playing weekend steel banger. |
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Welding it, just like cutting it with a torch, will change the properties of the metro making it more brittle. Nope. You can easily weld a hanger chain to the back of the plate and it won't make any discernible difference. The key is controlling the heat, and just using enough "weld" to hold things in place. |
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What are they, like $40? Chill Francis. Buy another one and be good for another year. Eta They don't do well against 300 wm either. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/makeitflyfaster/media/20140426_211523_zpslwc01obr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y433/makeitflyfaster/20140426_211523_zpslwc01obr.jpg</a> Were you able to confirm it was 300WM? How? Bighuffdaddy and I just figured that's what did it. There's a guy that hand loads 300 wm and shoots on his own 1000 yrd range. Other than us and the property owner he's the only other person that knew that target was even there. We could be wrong about that though. That's just all we could come up with out in bfe Taylor county. |
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Nope. You can easily weld a hanger chain to the back of the plate and it won't make any discernible difference. The key is controlling the heat, and just using enough "weld" to hold things in place. Quoted:
Welding it, just like cutting it with a torch, will change the properties of the metro making it more brittle. Nope. You can easily weld a hanger chain to the back of the plate and it won't make any discernible difference. The key is controlling the heat, and just using enough "weld" to hold things in place. I've never had any luck with welded hangers on targets. The welds always break or the hanger gets shot off. Any tips on how to do it and not ruin the hardness of the plate, but yet get good enough penetration so the hanger doesn't break off? |
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The welds always break or the hanger gets shot off.
Any tips on how to do it and not ruin the hardness of the plate, but yet get good enough penetration so the hanger doesn't break off? You really don't need that much penetration. In fact, all you need is just enough to hold the chain/hanger in place. I like using chain, as it seems to flex and "absorb" the impact a little better. Only issue with using chain, though, is the target reaction is a little less predictable. I've seen more issues with the chain/hanger being damaged from errant shots than welds failing. That being said, welds still can (and do) fail with repeated banging on the target. However, its a quick fix that takes more time to set up the welder than it does to actually lay a short bead. |
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Welding it, just like cutting it with a torch, will change the properties of the metro making it more brittle. Nope. You can easily weld a hanger chain to the back of the plate and it won't make any discernible difference. The key is controlling the heat, and just using enough "weld" to hold things in place. I've never had any luck with welded hangers on targets. The welds always break or the hanger gets shot off. Any tips on how to do it and not ruin the hardness of the plate, but yet get good enough penetration so the hanger doesn't break off? Drill and tap then use bolts with jam nuts. I would even think 2" x 2" piece of angle stock epoxied on using an aluminum based epoxy after hitting both surfaces with some 80 grit sandpaper first. Not sure how long it would last with the vibration that plate is going to be getting though. |
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I think drilling a hole and tapping it is the most secure way other than welding IMO. Ever tried drilling & tapping AR500? Can't be much different than putting 5/16" holes 1/8" titanium by hand. I never said that your average weekend do it yourself person knows the easy way to do it. And he's not going to do with any drill bit from lowes. Start with a #40 tungsten carbide bit and step it up a couple of times going slow and keeping it cool will do it easier than you think. |
Titanium is a lot easier to work with. AR500 doesn't like to be drilled but with the right equipment it can be done. Welding along each side of a chain link and using one of these is a method I've found effective. This is the way we've repaired Sheps targets in the past.
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Start with a #40 tungsten carbide bit and step it up a couple of times going slow and keeping it cool will do it easier than you think. By the time you drill, lube, clean out chips, drill, lube, start tapping, replace broken tap #1, pray you don't break tap #2, I could have welded up 10 of the targets and be on my way to the range. Not trying to argue with you, but drilling & tapping would be the LAST method I would want to use on AR500. Welding is quick, easy, cheap (assuming you have a welder), and perfectly fine for targets...so much so, that I wouldn't consider any other method. |