Posted: 3/17/2014 10:29:39 AM EDT
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So what are the GAHTF experiences with stock triggers, trigger jobs and trigger upgrades for the black rifle?
I am prompted to ask because I was eye-ballin the new Bushmaster rifle and noticed it has a Geissele trigger. I have a Geissele on one of my rifles and I really like it but I am not sure if I like it because it is inherently a "superior" trigger or because of the work that the gunsmith put into the job or if both. So, questions for you: Is a stock trigger a generic piece that just needs a trigger job? Or should it be replaced because it is a pos? What exactly is a "trigger job"? Just polishing off rough stuff and changing the pounds? And will this make a "stock" trigger superior? Or just a little better? Is Geissele the go to trigger or do you think there are better or equal options like Timney? |
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Quoted: So what are the GAHTF experiences with stock triggers, trigger jobs and trigger upgrades for the black rifle? I am prompted to ask because I was eye-ballin the new Bushmaster rifle and noticed it has a Geissele trigger. I have a Geissele on one of my rifles and I really like it but I am not sure if I like it because it is inherently a "superior" trigger or because of the work that the gunsmith put into the job or if both. So, questions for you: Is a stock trigger a generic piece that just needs a trigger job? Or should it be replaced because it is a pos? What exactly is a "trigger job"? Just polishing off rough stuff and changing the pounds? And will this make a "stock" trigger superior? Or just a little better? Is Geissele the go to trigger or do you think there are better or equal options like Timney? I am interested to hear the answers to these questions, as well. I don't have any experience with Geissele and have been pondering splurging for one. Not sure if I'm good enough to notice the difference....  |
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Geissele is widely considered to make the best triggers for the AR-15... You can't really do a traditional trigger job on an AR-15 without possibly wearing through the case-hardening on the surface of the trigger, which can cause pull weight to vary considerably. Back in the bad old days of highpower competition, there were relatively few options for improved triggers... Frank White at Compass Lake Engineering produced improved two-stage triggers for relatively cheap, but you had to bend the spring legs until you got the right weight. RRA came out with an OK trigger (even better when John Holliger at White Oak Precision worked it over), especially for a factory rifle. The big name at the time was Krieger-Milazzo, but they were fairly hard to get, with a long waiting list. I know some people who were shooting the Jewell triggers as well. Then Fred Geissele started producing triggers and it seemed like everyone who tried one switched over (especially the Hi-Speed match triggers, with their reduced lock time compared to standard triggers). |
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Geissele have been stellar triggers in my opinion, ordering 2 this week hopefully to finish out my rifles. i've been sold on the SSA and the SSA-E. the G2S is a very cost effective way to get the SSA feel and reliability per Bill Geissele. i have 3 and really can't tell the difference from the 2 SSA i have. good luck
on the subject of triggers, i just picked up a LWRC M6 and the stock trigger is garbage, feels like a stock DPMS  , Mr.400North how is the trigger in yours??? i figured would ask being i know you have one, thanks man 
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I shot a stock trigger for a long time b/c I never tried anything else...then I did and I could never go back to a stock GI trigger.
Never did one of the home grown trigger jobs as there are far too many after market options/maker that know what they're doing, not to mention the drop in ease of some models. Triggers are a very personal thing in my opinion and experience. Also depends what you want it for too. Just a Self/Home defense gun, competition, shooting the eyes out of a prairie dog at 800 yds, those are all factors. I personally don’t care for the big G’s triggers (or most 2 stage triggers really), but I know a lot of folks that love them. Just not my cup of tea. AR Gold…sweet, just a frigging sweet @$$ trigger. Admittedly, I probably don’t trust myself with one. CMC & Timney also make some pretty nice bang switches. I have JP’s in all my rifles. A little heavier than some at 3.5#?-yes, single stage?- yes, take up or over travel?- ZERO. Crisp & break like glass every time- You bet. Application and personal preference, that’s what I think triggers boil down to plain & simple. |
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I replaced my DD gritty trigger for a geissele ssa-e and it's great.
My dad has lately been getting the Amy Geissele triggers (ALG) that are not maybe the machined quality as the normal Geissele but have a coating on it and he really likes them.. They are like $75 instead of $200. |
. It's as bad as BRD | I have a Geissele it is nice ., On a budget buy the ALGS trigger which is tuned by them and uses stock gi components . This is a 5.5 pound trigger and breaks very nicely . It is a smoking deal in the get a lot at a cheap price factor . I have Rock Rivers in 2 guns, They will stay but the Geissele will go in all future builds |
My LWRC's trigger is ok by my memory. But my memory sucks and the rifle is in off site storage awaiting new orders. 4000 rds and that poor bitch still hasn't been cleaned. Only 6000 rnds to go.... ha 
Thanks guys for the input. Consensus above says; Giessele is indeed a better trigger and soap will not make shit shine. I needed to know this before investing money in smithing a stock piece. |
| I have a couple of the RRA two stage triggers tuned by John Holliger some years ago. I like them quite a bit. The Giselle triggers are very nice, but not nice enough to have me switch out what I already have, as I know my triggers' break points very well. If I was building a new rifle today, I would go with the Giselle. |
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My LWRC's trigger is ok by my memory. But my memory sucks and the rifle is in off site storage awaiting new orders. 4000 rds and that poor bitch still hasn't been cleaned. Only 6000 rnds to go.... ha
Thanks guys for the input. Consensus above says; Giessele is indeed a better trigger and soap will not make shit shine. I needed to know this before investing money in smithing a stock piece. buddy, i have at least 6 different stock fire control groups laying around from swapping over to geissele triggers, i'll ship you a fire control group so you can play with it, if you want. let me know |
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I have the 24C and for its competition built purposes, I like it better than the Giessele triggers. i have an SSA for my SBR though. Quoted:
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Anybody had range time with the Hiperfire 24E or Hiperfire 24C?? I have the 24C and for its competition built purposes, I like it better than the Giessele triggers. i have an SSA for my SBR though. If it was your go to gun, would you have a 24C or something different / heavier? |
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As others have said, Geissele all the way. I have four -
SSA in a vintage SP1 SSA-E in a .260 Rem AR10 I built Super ACR in (duh) an ACR 3GS in a lightweight build I did for my dad Makes a WORLD of difference. I am sold for life - any future weapons I purchase that can take a Geissele will have one. |
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Quoted: As others have said, Geissele all the way. I have four - SSA in a vintage SP1 SSA-E in a .260 Rem AR10 I built Super ACR in (duh) an ACR 3GS in a lightweight build I did for my dad Makes a WORLD of difference. I am sold for life - any future weapons I purchase that can take a Geissele will have one. What barrel do you have on that .260 Rem? Is it built on an Armalite receiver or DPMS style? (that's one of my current builds in progress, a Mega MATen, just ordered a Geissele Hi-Speed DMR trigger which may go in it). |
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Anybody had range time with the Hiperfire 24E or Hiperfire 24C?? I have the 24C and for its competition built purposes, I like it better than the Giessele triggers. i have an SSA for my SBR though. If it was your go to gun, would you have a 24C or something different / heavier? I probably would run a 24E or the 24T without the trigger shoe in case I'm running gloves or something. |
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What barrel do you have on that .260 Rem? Is it built on an Armalite receiver or DPMS style? (that's one of my current builds in progress, a Mega MATen, just ordered a Geissele Hi-Speed DMR trigger which may go in it). Quoted:
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As others have said, Geissele all the way. I have four - SSA in a vintage SP1 SSA-E in a .260 Rem AR10 I built Super ACR in (duh) an ACR 3GS in a lightweight build I did for my dad Makes a WORLD of difference. I am sold for life - any future weapons I purchase that can take a Geissele will have one. What barrel do you have on that .260 Rem? Is it built on an Armalite receiver or DPMS style? (that's one of my current builds in progress, a Mega MATen, just ordered a Geissele Hi-Speed DMR trigger which may go in it). I went with a Lilja 20" 1:8 stainless steel barrel. I had to send it back to Lilja because once I got it installed, it was causing damage to the bullet tip and bullet setback in the case. After it returned and I reinstalled, it hasn't given me any issues. I'm still learning how to shoot a .30 cal sized AR so my groups aren't anything to brag about, but I can nail a 1-2 moa piece of steel in a match well enough with it. I used a CMMG .308 (DPMS/SR10 style) for the build, yanked the barrel and rail, replaced with the Lilja and a JP 15" rail, put on a Magpul MIAD and ACS, then dropped in the Geissele and called it a day. |
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Quoted:What barrel do you have on that .260 Rem? Is it built on an Armalite receiver or DPMS style? (that's one of my current builds in progress, a Mega MATen, just ordered a Geissele Hi-Speed DMR trigger which may go in it).
LW, I have a 260 Rem AR made from a DPMS LR-308. I used a Bartlein 5R 1-8" blank which I bought a DPSM extension and bolt, and sent it to Frank. He made me a 26" spacegun barrel with rifle + 2" gas system. I also used a PWI adjustable gas block. I put the Geissele Match 2-stage in it. |
| Same story here. Had a POS DPMS stock trigger, it was awful. Replaced with a Geissele G2S and I'll never go back. For what's it worth I don't know if I would go lighter than 4.5 lbs afforded by the G2S or SSA. 3.5 is too light for my tastes. Try a couple, it'll make the decision easier |