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9/14/2012 6:37:17 PM EDT
Anyone know a place in the metro ATL area that does this?
9/14/2012 6:44:42 PM EDT
[#1]
Isn't that what Glock does their slides in now? I don't know anybody that does that around here.


I did find a place called Braddock Metallurgical  http://www.braddockmt.com/
1590 Huber St., N.W.
Atlanta, GA 30318  
Phone: 404-355-6952
9/14/2012 6:46:29 PM EDT
[#2]
I dont know if they use it on slides right now, but they used the same process on barrels, only they called it "tennifer."
9/14/2012 7:12:55 PM EDT
[#3]
Nitrocarberizing is Melonite. Glock's Tenifer is not the same. Tenifer creates a Cyanide gas byproduct and Is banned by the EPA here in the US.

Tenifer is much harder on the Rockwell scale than Melonite.

It has been said that Glock is Nitrocarberizing the 100% US produced Glocks since they do not have access to the Tenifer process here.

All of the US Glocks get exported.
9/14/2012 7:15:25 PM EDT
[#4]
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Nitrocarberizing is Melonite. Glock's Tenifer is not the same. Tenifer creates a Cyanide gas byproduct and Is banned by the EPA here in the US.

Tenifer is much harder on the Rockwell scale than Melonite.

It has been said that Glock is Nitrocarberizing the 100% US produced Glocks since they do not have access to the Tenifer process here.

All of the US Glocks get exported.


Apparently they are starting to pop up in circulation. I've seen several "all USA" Glocks posted here recently. I may be wrong...wouldn't be the first time.
9/14/2012 7:17:37 PM EDT
[#5]
They are selling "made in USA" Glocks here. They don't export all of them.
9/14/2012 8:22:21 PM EDT
[#6]
Considering all the uses of cyanide compounds in manufacturing, the EPA needs to f-off.  Nitriding and nitro-carburizing are done using slightly different chemical recipes for different desired effects such as corrosion-resistance and varying levels of toughness and hardness.  Gun companies all make up unique marketing names for their process.  Contact local performance engine machine shops if you want more info on local sources, but Freedom Gun Works in S. Georgia can send your gun parts out for Melonite.  Engine shops may not perform the process in a way that is proper for gun parts.
9/15/2012 4:47:10 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Nitrocarberizing is Melonite. Glock's Tenifer is not the same. Tenifer creates a Cyanide gas byproduct and Is banned by the EPA here in the US.

Tenifer is much harder on the Rockwell scale than Melonite.

It has been said that Glock is Nitrocarberizing the 100% US produced Glocks since they do not have access to the Tenifer process here.

All of the US Glocks get exported.


Your post makes no sense. Nitrocarburizing is not Melonite. Melonite is a name for a type of Salt Bath Nitrocarburizing just like Tenifer, so " Melonite is nitrocarburizing" and "Tenifer is nitrocarburizing" would be more accurate. Nitrocarburizing is Tuffride, Tenifer, Melonite (Meli 1), Kolene, Sursulf, Tenoplus, Nitrotec, Nitemper, Deganit, Triniding, Nitroc, and Nitrowear.

There are different trademarked names under each of the 3 types of nitrocarburizing: Salt Bath Ferritic, Gaseous Ferritic, and Plasma-Assisted. As previously stated, Melonite and Tenifer are both Salt Bath Ferritic. Tenifer may be harder on a Rockwell Scale than Melonite, since Melonite is the most simple form of Salt Bath Ferritic, but once again: Both are trademark names for Salt Bath Ferritic Nitrocarburizing. I didn't mean to suggest that the two were the EXACT same and I'm not going to Europe to have my barrel done, so since you know so much about this process, you can answer the question I asked in my OP. Do you know of a place in Metro Atlanta or N GA that I can have my barrel nitrocarburized?
9/15/2012 5:19:36 AM EDT
[#8]
Googled it:

MMI TruTec (not in GA)

Freedom Gunworks Thread in GA HTF

Bobby @ FGW sends it out to be done, so I don't think you're going to find a shop that you can walk in and watch per se.
9/15/2012 5:34:08 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Googled it:

MMI TruTec (not in GA)

Freedom Gunworks Thread in GA HTF

Bobby @ FGW sends it out to be done, so I don't think you're going to find a shop that you can walk in and watch per se.


Thanks!
9/15/2012 8:34:14 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
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Nitrocarberizing is Melonite. Glock's Tenifer is not the same. Tenifer creates a Cyanide gas byproduct and Is banned by the EPA here in the US.

Tenifer is much harder on the Rockwell scale than Melonite.

It has been said that Glock is Nitrocarberizing the 100% US produced Glocks since they do not have access to the Tenifer process here.

All of the US Glocks get exported.


Your post makes no sense. Nitrocarburizing is not Melonite. Melonite is a name for a type of Salt Bath Nitrocarburizing just like Tenifer, so " Melonite is nitrocarburizing" and "Tenifer is nitrocarburizing" would be more accurate. Nitrocarburizing is Tuffride, Tenifer, Melonite (Meli 1), Kolene, Sursulf, Tenoplus, Nitrotec, Nitemper, Deganit, Triniding, Nitroc, and Nitrowear.

There are different trademarked names under each of the 3 types of nitrocarburizing: Salt Bath Ferritic, Gaseous Ferritic, and Plasma-Assisted. As previously stated, Melonite and Tenifer are both Salt Bath Ferritic. Tenifer may be harder on a Rockwell Scale than Melonite, since Melonite is the most simple form of Salt Bath Ferritic, but once again: Both are trademark names for Salt Bath Ferritic Nitrocarburizing. I didn't mean to suggest that the two were the EXACT same and I'm not going to Europe to have my barrel done, so since you know so much about this process, you can answer the question I asked in my OP. Do you know of a place in Metro Atlanta or N GA that I can have my barrel nitrocarburized?




9/15/2012 3:37:10 PM EDT
[#11]
Don't mean to be  contentious, but all U.S. made Glocks aren't exported.  Many are sold right here in the U.S.  Melonite and Tenifer are just different names for the same process.  Do a Google and find out for yourself.  Melonite and Tenifer have the same hardness and rust-preventative characteristics.

http://firearms.fortreg.com/?p=580
9/15/2012 5:48:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Dixie Ammo Dump used to have a place that they shipped firearms to for Melonite, I believe it was in NC. 00bullitt shipped some gun parts through them, but it's been a few years ago. I remember his stuff turned out great, but I'm not sure if DAD is still doing it.

Good stuff, as long as you want black. The bolt in my JP LRP-07 is nitrocarburized and I really like it. Cleans up really easy.
9/15/2012 7:24:53 PM EDT
[#13]
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Don't mean to be  contentious, but all U.S. made Glocks aren't imported.  Many are sold right here in the U.S.  Melonite and Tenifer are just different names for the same process.  Do a Google and find out for yourself.  Melonite and Tenifer have the same hardness and rust-preventative characteristics.

http://firearms.fortreg.com/?p=580


None of the U.S. made Glocks are imported actually
9/15/2012 8:12:04 PM EDT
[#14]
Glock no longer does Tenifer for US nor Austrian made guns.
 
9/16/2012 3:29:40 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
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Don't mean to be  contentious, but all U.S. made Glocks aren't imported.  Many are sold right here in the U.S.  Melonite and Tenifer are just different names for the same process.  Do a Google and find out for yourself.  Melonite and Tenifer have the same hardness and rust-preventative characteristics.

http://firearms.fortreg.com/?p=580


None of the U.S. made Glocks are imported actually


OF course not!  Brain fart!  Was thinking about the authoritative-sounding but fallacious posts regarding Melonite/Tenifer.

9/16/2012 3:31:34 AM EDT
[#16]
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Glock no longer does Tenifer for US nor Austrian made guns.  


So, what process do the use for hardening the slides and barrels??

9/16/2012 7:41:11 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Glock no longer does Tenifer for US nor Austrian made guns.  


Source?
9/16/2012 11:14:33 PM EDT
[#18]





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Glock no longer does Tenifer for US nor Austrian made guns.  






Source?
http://us.glock.com/products/technology



See Bullitt's post. Both factories are using the same process.
 
9/17/2012 7:28:38 AM EDT
[#19]
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Don't mean to be  contentious, but all U.S. made Glocks aren't imported.  Many are sold right here in the U.S.  Melonite and Tenifer are just different names for the same process.  Do a Google and find out for yourself.  Melonite and Tenifer have the same hardness and rust-preventative characteristics.

http://firearms.fortreg.com/?p=580


None of the U.S. made Glocks are imported actually


OF course not!  Brain fart!  Was thinking about the authoritative-sounding but fallacious posts regarding Melonite/Tenifer.



I apologize for my authoritative and fallacious sounding posts. Never my intent to mislead anyone, but this is the internet and things can and do get taken out of intended context. I was posting on my phone since I do not have internet at my new residence. After rereading it, it did not sound how I meant for it to be received.

I'm no metallurgist or coating/finish expert. I just know what I have been told by companies utilizing specific processes. What I'm figuring out is that its much the same as Lexan and Plexiglass or Xerox and Copier. One is a Registered name for Plexiglass but the generic is Plexiglass.
Always so difficult.

Well anyway, when I was affiliated with Glock a few years ago, I was told the US Glocks were all intended for export, but that is not to say there are none stateside. I own one. There were limited runs made and sold here. Its just not their intent as they fill a greater need in exporting them. There are also Glocks made in Russia and stamped as such, but yet the US made Glocks are being exported to fill Russian orders. Go figure. Glock has their strategic reasons as to why they do what they do. I learned a while back, the Austrians know everything, how dare we question their Authoritah.

When Glock started building complete guns here in the US, the US was the pilot program for their new salt bath nitrided finish in place of their long known and respected "Tenifer" process. As Mayo has suggested, they may have gone mainstream with their new process.
I've been somewhat removed from their loop in the prior 18 months.

Once again, I apologize for my tone and/or post content if it was conceived wrong. I don't know everything, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express a few nights ago.

9/17/2012 7:59:04 AM EDT
[#20]
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Glock no longer does Tenifer for US nor Austrian made guns.  


Source?
http://us.glock.com/products/technology

See Bullitt's post. Both factories are using the same process.

 


Interesting...
9/17/2012 8:40:36 AM EDT
[#21]
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Don't mean to be  contentious, but all U.S. made Glocks aren't imported.  Many are sold right here in the U.S.  Melonite and Tenifer are just different names for the same process.  Do a Google and find out for yourself.  Melonite and Tenifer have the same hardness and rust-preventative characteristics.

http://firearms.fortreg.com/?p=580


None of the U.S. made Glocks are imported actually


OF course not!  Brain fart!  Was thinking about the authoritative-sounding but fallacious posts regarding Melonite/Tenifer.



I apologize for my authoritative and fallacious sounding posts. Never my intent to mislead anyone, but this is the internet and things can and do get taken out of intended context. I was posting on my phone since I do not have internet at my new residence. After rereading it, it did not sound how I meant for it to be received.

I'm no metallurgist or coating/finish expert. I just know what I have been told by companies utilizing specific processes. What I'm figuring out is that its much the same as Lexan and Plexiglass. One is a Registered name for Plexiglass but the generic is Plexiglass.
Always so difficult.

Well anyway, when I was affiliated with Glock a few years ago, I was told the US Glocks were all intended for export, but that is not to say there are none stateside. I own one. There were limited runs made and sold here. Its just not their intent as they fill a greater need in exporting them. There are also Glocks made in Russia and stamped as such, but yet the US made Glocks are being exported to fill Russian orders. Go figure. Glock has their strategic reasons as to why they do what they do. I learned a while back, the Austrians know everything, how dare we question their Authoritah.

When Glock started building complete guns here in the US, the US was the pilot program for their new salt bath nitrided finish in place of their long known and respected "Tenifer" process. As Mayo has suggested, they may have gone mainstream with their new process.
I've been somewhat removed from their loop in the prior 18 months.

Once again, I apologize for my tone and/or post content if it was conceived wrong. I don't know everything, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express a few nights ago.



Well, once again, I'm disappointed in this site. I posted asking for information  on where to get this done and a debate started on what the process was and US Glocks being made for export.

I understand how things on the web can be taken out of context, but a lot of what you said was just inaccurate. I don't claim to be an expert, but it sounded like you knew a great deal about the topic and you didn't even tell me where I could get this done. Now you discussing Glocks being made in Russia?
9/17/2012 8:44:31 AM EDT
[#22]
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Well, once again, I'm disappointed in this site. I posted asking for information  on where to get this done and a debate started on what the process was and US Glocks being made for export.

I understand how things on the web can be taken out of context, but a lot of what you said was just inaccurate. I don't claim to be an expert, but it sounded like you knew a great deal about the topic and you didn't even tell me where I could get this done. Now you discussing Glocks being made in Russia?




I wanted to make it bigger but that is as big as I could make it.

9/17/2012 1:50:35 PM EDT
[#23]
The nitrating process referred to in Mayo's link doesn't mean that the slides and barrels aren't Tenifered or Melonited.  Tenifer and Melonite are trade names for a nitrating process.
9/17/2012 1:53:28 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
The nitrating process referred to in Mayo's link doesn't mean that the slides and barrels aren't Tenifered or Melonited.  Tenifer and Melonite are trade names for a nitrating process.


Yep, I said this before. Somebody just doesn't get it. I'm done with this thread. Thanks for all those that helped me.
9/17/2012 2:13:07 PM EDT
[#25]
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Yep, I said this before. Somebody just doesn't get it. I'm done with this thread. Thanks for all those that helped me.


Bye

9/17/2012 6:27:38 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Now you discussing Glocks being made in Russia?


What about Russian Glocks?

9/18/2012 3:49:13 AM EDT
[#27]
Only steel-cased, Tenifered ammo should be shot through Russian-made Glocks.