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6/13/2010 8:59:57 PM EDT
Or whatever you call it. A friend came over the other day and showed me how to do a basic strip down of my 1911 and clean it and reassemble. Well..... today I popped a mag in the well and the first round jammed bad. Not a quick easy eject jam. Had to really work it to get the bullet and mag out. Do over = same tough result. Changed mag, changed rounds = same result. Not every time but 50%.

This is a new handgun with maybe 500 rounds that has never had such a hard jam.
Same target PMC 45 bronze as always.
Same mags as always.
Cleaned seemingly proper and oiled with SLIP2000 (was Echo before ........)
Everything seems ok.

Any thoughts from the crowd??
I want to assume I did not clean or assemble it right but need some feedback to chew on.
6/13/2010 11:08:06 PM EDT
[#1]
My Kimber DW started that also, it would do it every first round and every couple of rounds out of the mags. Never could pin point what was causing it. I changed the ammo and was using chip mccormick and wilson mags. Break down the pistol again and break down the mags, check every thing you can. If you cannot find the solution take it to a smith.
6/14/2010 3:04:09 AM EDT
[#2]
Are you locking the slide back, inserting a magazine, depressing the slide release and then this happens?  Or, are you "riding the slide" with your hand to chamber a round?
6/14/2010 4:50:46 AM EDT
[#3]
hard to say from the info you gave
But you are welcome to bring it by and I will take a look
I can not imagine that lube would be the problem assembly issues yes lube no.

Mike
6/14/2010 5:54:01 AM EDT
[#4]
Field strip it and check for dirt between the barrel and the frame and barrel and the slide. Make sure there is no dirt in the extractor claw (sometimes when cleaning the bolt face you push some dirt into the extractor claw). Check to make sure you have the slide stop pin in the barrel link. That's IMHO.

Mike
6/14/2010 5:56:37 AM EDT
[#5]
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Field strip it and check for dirt between the barrel and the frame and barrel and the slide. Make sure there is no dirt in the extractor claw (sometimes when cleaning the bolt face you push some dirt into the extractor claw). Check to make sure you have the slide stop pin in the barrel link. That's IMHO.

Mike


That's the first thing that came to my mind as well.
6/14/2010 6:18:27 AM EDT
[#6]
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Field strip it and check for dirt between the barrel and the frame and barrel and the slide. Make sure there is no dirt in the extractor claw (sometimes when cleaning the bolt face you push some dirt into the extractor claw). Check to make sure you have the slide stop pin in the barrel link. That's IMHO.

Mike


That's the first thing that came to my mind as well.


My guess is that the op doesn't know what that is. You need to watch some you tube vids on disassembly and get some detailed photo's of the parts breakdown to learn how everything goes. That or bring it to someone who can explain all of this to you.
6/14/2010 9:57:12 AM EDT
[#7]



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hard to say from the info you gave



I can not imagine that lube would be the problem assembly issues yes lube no.



Mike



Agreed. You didn't DO anything to the springs while they were out did you? Stretch them, cut them, roll over them with a chair?



 
6/14/2010 9:58:03 AM EDT
[#8]



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Field strip it and check for dirt between the barrel and the frame and barrel and the slide. Make sure there is no dirt in the extractor claw (sometimes when cleaning the bolt face you push some dirt into the extractor claw). Check to make sure you have the slide stop pin in the barrel link. That's IMHO.



Mike




That's the first thing that came to my mind as well.


that's a thought...



Go back and make sure it is put together the same way you took it apart.



 
6/14/2010 2:25:44 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
hard to say from the info you gave
But you are welcome to bring it by and I will take a look
I can not imagine that lube would be the problem assembly issues yes lube no.

Mike



Thanks all for the feedback from the group. Likely boils down to operator assymbly error. Will use this as an excuse to call on Mike for another great lesson!
6/24/2010 2:15:13 PM EDT
[#10]
Finally had a minute to run it down the street to the guys at 400 J&L. They looked at it and said it was too dry. Lubed it down sloppy wet and she fed nice. Brought it home and tested it out and sure enough, it was a lube problem. Thinking back on my class with Mike I do remember him loading on what appeared to be a ton of oil but when I was figuring out how to clean it I did not reapply nearly enough.

Lesson learned. 1911s love it wet.
6/24/2010 3:08:12 PM EDT
[#11]
uhhhhmmmm ok...
6/24/2010 4:02:36 PM EDT
[#12]
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Finally had a minute to run it down the street to the guys at 400 J&L. They looked at it and said it was too dry. Lubed it down sloppy wet and she fed nice. Brought it home and tested it out and sure enough, it was a lube problem. Thinking back on my class with Mike I do remember him loading on what appeared to be a ton of oil but when I was figuring out how to clean it I did not reapply nearly enough.

Lesson learned. 1911s love it wet.


its a handgun.....it should run wet or dry


shoulda bought a sig
6/24/2010 4:05:12 PM EDT
[#13]
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Finally had a minute to run it down the street to the guys at 400 J&L. They looked at it and said it was too dry. Lubed it down sloppy wet and she fed nice. Brought it home and tested it out and sure enough, it was a lube problem. Thinking back on my class with Mike I do remember him loading on what appeared to be a ton of oil but when I was figuring out how to clean it I did not reapply nearly enough.

Lesson learned. 1911s love it wet.


its a handgun.....it should run wet or dry


shoulda bought a sig


Dude, he said it was a 1911, not a glock. Sigs run best when wet as well.

6/24/2010 4:50:47 PM EDT
[#14]
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Finally had a minute to run it down the street to the guys at 400 J&L. They looked at it and said it was too dry. Lubed it down sloppy wet and she fed nice. Brought it home and tested it out and sure enough, it was a lube problem. Thinking back on my class with Mike I do remember him loading on what appeared to be a ton of oil but when I was figuring out how to clean it I did not reapply nearly enough.

Lesson learned. 1911s love it wet.


its a handgun.....it should run wet or dry


shoulda bought a sig


Dude, he said it was a 1911, not a glock. Sigs run best when wet as well.



The sig GSRs can run dry At least my dads can
6/24/2010 5:06:35 PM EDT
[#15]
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Finally had a minute to run it down the street to the guys at 400 J&L. They looked at it and said it was too dry. Lubed it down sloppy wet and she fed nice. Brought it home and tested it out and sure enough, it was a lube problem. Thinking back on my class with Mike I do remember him loading on what appeared to be a ton of oil but when I was figuring out how to clean it I did not reapply nearly enough.

Lesson learned. 1911s love it wet.


its a handgun.....it should run wet or dry


shoulda bought a sig


Dude, he said it was a 1911, not a glock. Sigs run best when wet as well.



The sig GSRs can run dry At least my dads can


Where's that bull$#*% flag when you need it.
6/24/2010 5:12:28 PM EDT
[#16]
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Finally had a minute to run it down the street to the guys at 400 J&L. They looked at it and said it was too dry. Lubed it down sloppy wet and she fed nice. Brought it home and tested it out and sure enough, it was a lube problem. Thinking back on my class with Mike I do remember him loading on what appeared to be a ton of oil but when I was figuring out how to clean it I did not reapply nearly enough.

Lesson learned. 1911s love it wet.


its a handgun.....it should run wet or dry


shoulda bought a sig


Dude, he said it was a 1911, not a glock. Sigs run best when wet as well.



The sig GSRs can run dry At least my dads can


Where's that bull$#*% flag when you need it.


shit i dont have pictures of it, but i have pictures of a sig mosquito that hadnt been cleaned in over 600+ rnds that had ZERO FTF, FTE, failure to anything.....there are lemons in every make/model....when people get lemon sigs, they make a huge deal about it and people seem to believe the one lemon out of two thousand!
6/24/2010 7:37:33 PM EDT
[#17]
Proper use and application of lube works for many things, 1911s included..