[ARCHIVED THREAD] - One in the pipe (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/16/2010 3:21:54 AM EDT
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When carring CCW do you have a round in the chamber? How about when you have the weapon in your car or truck? I don't recall anything in the GA. code about this, but would a LEO have a problem with this? What do you guys think? Just asking ya know |
| What good is a gun without a round in the chamber? Might as well be a paperweight if you are in a situation that would require you to draw and fire. In fact there's a member over at GPDO that carried his 1911 without a round in the chamber then was robbed at gunpoint. He couldn't draw and fire so he had to just stand there while he was robbed. |
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I believe the answer is very clear. There is no law or code on that. My dad asked me the same question.....and no offense but I found it to be the silliest thing to ask if there's a law about. Try carrying with JUST one in the chamber.....feels so much lighter without that heavy magazine
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| I'm not a LEO, but it does seem that when the media runs stories, with LEO interviews that they don't like a "loaded" gun. Probably not a problem if your not doing anything else wrong, but if your doing something wrong they will probably pill on or not be as lenient. |
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I'm not a LEO, but it does seem that when the media runs stories, with LEO interviews that they don't like a "loaded" gun. Probably not a problem if your not doing anything else wrong, but if your doing something wrong they will probably pill on or not be as lenient. All guns should be loaded, and anyways we got Doug to worry about the leniancy part. |
Actually I carry unloaded with a snap cap as the first round in the magazine. You see, I think I should give a Bad Guy a fair chance.
Seriously dude, I'm unsure where these questions come from. Why would you give up a tactical advantage by drawing your weapon and THEN racking the slide? [other than the Israelis in the early days but that's another story for another day] Carry hot all the time every time. No excuses. No exceptions. I do a press check EVERY morning when I put it on. I do a press check EVERY night when I take it off. Make it a habit. |
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Quoted: Actually I carry unloaded with a snap cap as the first round in the magazine. You see, I think I should give a Bad Guy a fair chance. Seriously dude, I'm unsure where these questions come from. Why would you give up a tactical advantage by drawing your weapon and THEN racking the slide? [other than the Israelis in the early days but that's another story for another day] Carry hot all the time every time. No excuses. No exceptions. I do a press check EVERY morning when I put it on. I do a press check EVERY night when I take it off. Make it a habit. You are my hero  |
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Israelis still do it. I still do it. That's what the Israeli taught me. Also some other excellent techniques for dealing with armed assailants unarmed .. And sop at work says do it too.
This has all been hashed out before here. I do what I do for my own reasons. Only exception is in the car. Archived search for GA is down right now. When I get home I'll see if it's up and get that discussion linked on here. It was a good one with alot of good points and techniques discussed. |
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Here it is. Way back in the day. Even before one of us was a rockstar..... 
link hot if it's not hot sorry the iPhone has limits... Made hot for ya. For the record I very much disagree with panzer on this issue. To me it makes zero sense to carry an unloaded firearm. However, in panzer's job that is what they teach and I think that to a degree has influenced his decision. In the end everyone must do what works best for you. I won't fault panzer for his decision and will also say he is VERY skilled in other means of defensive tactics, meaning martial arts. So that really needs to be factored into the equation. Not all of us are Bruce Lee. 
Also, panzer doesn't preach to people that carrying with an empty chamber is the best solution. He merely preaches it is best FOR HIM for HIS reasons. Various reasons I carry a loaded firearm: To carry without one in the chamber ASSUMES I will have the ability to load the weapon when needed. While I can load the firearm single-handed it is NOT the best way to ensure I can get the weapon loaded and into a fight as quickly as possible. And face it, if you are drawing you have an IMMEDIATE need. By loading the firearm and/or press checking EVERY time I put it on I am guaranteed at least ONE round fired. The only exception is a bad round of ammo. But the point is my parachute is ready for immediate use. With an auto-loading firearm the biggest single point of failure is the feeding system. Thus, ensuring that first round is loaded to me is a big deal. Frankly I am pressed for time right now so I'll stop there at this point. I'll read that link I made hot later. Mark |
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I think you summed it up there better than most of us would. If I drew and pressed the trigger just to hear a click, I'd probably have a heart attack if not shot first. -Mike reminds me of a story my old gunsmith told me about his days in NY as a cop way back in the day. He carried a SW 38 snubby and would keep it loaded all the time and said he would literally spray it with oil everyday to keep it from rusting as he carries it against the skin mostly. It was his back up to the back up. Anyway, he says he is on the subway train one night and has his revolver in his pocket since , in his words, " it's the fuckin subway" and a guy charges him on the train.... He drew the revolver and when it touched the guys head the hammer dropped..... Click... Seems the oil over the months and months killed the rounds..... He said the guy passed out immediately... Came to in cuffs being pulled out of the train.... He also said he was pretty close to passing out himself... I can see that... Mark, happy birthday man! I agree with you, it's not for everyone fo sho.... But again as long as your method fits you and your needs and level of training and skill, that's great. I am just glad to see people like us on here doing it. ( CCW... Not the other one) I do keep it absolutly ready in the car. Just not much space behind the wheel..... But my finger can move 3/8" with no problem in here..... ;) thanks for the hot link, now back to activities at stone mountain! |
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the only things i don't keep with a round loaded is my shotgun hidden in my room and my rifles....then again, you arent supposed to keep stored rifles loaded anyways..
i just dont feel plain confortable with a loaded shotgun with the saftey on....something about pins shearing and it going off accidently just get to me....but my nightstand gun is loaded ready to go....facing away from the bed of coarse! |
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Actually I carry unloaded with a snap cap as the first round in the magazine. You see, I think I should give a Bad Guy a fair chance.
Seriously dude, I'm unsure where these questions come from. Why would you give up a tactical advantage by drawing your weapon and THEN racking the slide? [other than the Israelis in the early days but that's another story for another day] Carry hot all the time every time. No excuses. No exceptions. I do a press check EVERY morning when I put it on. I do a press check EVERY night when I take it off. Make it a habit. I unload in the pm and reload in the am |
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but... then you don't get to do that cool plain clothes cop thing that they do in the movies:
-hold it 12" from your face pointed up and away at a 45 degree angle -pull the slide back and let it go with a very serious look on your face -say "Lets go!" -shoot 28 times from a 15 round mag and duck behind something -pull the slide back and let go again even though you didn't change mags -say some other cool phrase and shoot 18 more times from the same mag It just wouldn't be the same any other way! |
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There is atleast one member of the board that does not carry with one chambered. In fact he is quite a respected member online and offline. Even when he was a LEO he did not carry with one in the chamber.
But that is how he trains, and he is just as fast drawing, chambering, and squeezing the trigger as anybody I have seen. |
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I carry a revolver. Awesome! So....one in all five/six chambers....hehe Full cylinder, usually five as I mainly carry a J-frame. Plus at least one speed strip (or speedloader if I can). And yes, I always put all six rounds in the strip. On the other hand, I often load my Ruger New Vaquero in the traditional way (hammer down on an empty chamber) even though it's perfectly safe to carry fully loaded. Why, just because I like following the traditional ways. But then I don't carry it around tucked in my waistband in da'hood. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I carry a revolver. Awesome! So....one in all five/six chambers....hehe Full cylinder, usually five as I mainly carry a J-frame. Plus at least one speed strip (or speedloader if I can). And yes, I always put all six rounds in the strip. On the other hand, I often load my Ruger New Vaquero in the traditional way (hammer down on an empty chamber) even though it's perfectly safe to carry fully loaded. Why, just because I like following the traditional ways. But then I don't carry it around tucked in my waistband in da'hood. Does the New Vaquero have the transfer bar thing? I mean....that doesn't even half cock so I get what you're saying but it's already not traditional if that's the case. |
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I unload in the pm and reload in the am Why?? If you are using an auto-loading weapon, you likely will get bullet setback eventually with enough reloadings. If you need the firearm at night, you are forced to load the firearm under stress and I am guessing in the dark. Read my previous comments about problems that can occur or the disadvantages you give yourself by not being prepared. I suspect your reason is kids in the house? If so, find a way of storing the weapon loaded but secure from the children. Mark |
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I carry a revolver. Awesome! So....one in all five/six chambers....hehe Full cylinder, usually five as I mainly carry a J-frame. Plus at least one speed strip (or speedloader if I can). And yes, I always put all six rounds in the strip. On the other hand, I often load my Ruger New Vaquero in the traditional way (hammer down on an empty chamber) even though it's perfectly safe to carry fully loaded. Why, just because I like following the traditional ways. But then I don't carry it around tucked in my waistband in da'hood. Does the New Vaquero have the transfer bar thing? I mean....that doesn't even half cock so I get what you're saying but it's already not traditional if that's the case. Yes, it is safe to carry fully loaded. The loading gate releases the cylinder so there is no need to half cock. Why do I just load five? Personal tradition. I've owned many Rugers over the years and not all of them had the new lockwork. Back then everyone wanted S&W magnums but Ruger could actually put guns on the shelves. There still are a lot of unconverted Old Models out there. Personally, I think of the coversion as blasphemy, too many old Blackhawks have had their guts ripped out in the name of protecting the operator from himself. The Old Model Blackhawks could not be safely carried with six rounds. Neither could Colts (like I could afford one). No one is pissing and moaning about the "unacceptable" lockwork of the SAA. In fact, it's being copied today (warts and all) by some of the best manufacturers in the business. I loaded five in all of them. They were not my defensive weapons, the extra round gave no advantage in a range toy. Load five, don't worry about which gun had what lockwork. Now that I'm older and don't have a bunch of SA revolvers, the point is moot. I do it out of habit. Besides, with the price of .45 Colt ammo and components these days I may cut back to three!
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Question... When carring CCW do you have a round in the chamber? How about when you have the weapon in your car or truck? I don't recall anything in the GA. code about this, but would a LEO have a problem with this? What do you guys think? Just asking ya know I always carry with one in the chamber. Years ago when I first started carrying I had a Kimber 1911 and I would carry without one in the chamber. I got pulled over for speeding one night by a DeKalb County officer and I informed him that I was armed and he asked for the weapon and went back to his patrol car to write me a ticket. When he came back with the ticket and my gun he said "you really should carry with one in the chamber, if someone comes up on you there's no way you'll have time to chamber a round and fire." |
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I unload in the pm and reload in the am Why?? If you are using an auto-loading weapon, you likely will get bullet setback eventually with enough reloadings. If you need the firearm at night, you are forced to load the firearm under stress and I am guessing in the dark. Read my previous comments about problems that can occur or the disadvantages you give yourself by not being prepared. I suspect your reason is kids in the house? If so, find a way of storing the weapon loaded but secure from the children. Mark THIS Plus your opportunity for ND's increases by a factor of eleventy billion. Rounds really shouldn't be chambered over and over again for the reason Book said. If you're that concerned about the kids leave your carry in the truck locked up and another one in the house properly secured. |
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I unload in the pm and reload in the am Why?? If you are using an auto-loading weapon, you likely will get bullet setback eventually with enough reloadings. If you need the firearm at night, you are forced to load the firearm under stress and I am guessing in the dark. Read my previous comments about problems that can occur or the disadvantages you give yourself by not being prepared. I suspect your reason is kids in the house? If so, find a way of storing the weapon loaded but secure from the children. Mark THIS Plus your opportunity for ND's increases by a factor of eleventy billion. Rounds really shouldn't be chambered over and over again for the reason Book said. If you're that concerned about the kids leave your carry in the truck locked up and another one in the house properly secured. Hopefully you mean in some sort of strong box, and not just in the glove box or center console. I dont want to see a thread in the future saying " I followed what Derek told me to do and now I gotta buy a new gun cause some thief stole it out of my locked truck". |
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I unload in the pm and reload in the am Why?? If you are using an auto-loading weapon, you likely will get bullet setback eventually with enough reloadings. If you need the firearm at night, you are forced to load the firearm under stress and I am guessing in the dark. Read my previous comments about problems that can occur or the disadvantages you give yourself by not being prepared. I suspect your reason is kids in the house? If so, find a way of storing the weapon loaded but secure from the children. Mark THIS Plus your opportunity for ND's increases by a factor of eleventy billion. Rounds really shouldn't be chambered over and over again for the reason Book said. If you're that concerned about the kids leave your carry in the truck locked up and another one in the house properly secured. Hopefully you mean in some sort of strong box, and not just in the glove box or center console. I dont want to see a thread in the future saying " I followed what Derek told me to do and now I gotta buy a new gun cause some thief stole it out of my locked truck". Of course he meant that! He is in the business of selling guns. He wants more business! |