Posted: 4/23/2010 2:20:08 PM EDT
| I heard something on the radio this afternoon (am 750) about SB 308, but I didn't quite catch what they were saying. Any updates? The legislature site still shows it in "house second readers" status from a month ago. |
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Passed out of the House Judicary-Non-Civil committee ....... now heading to Rules to get scheduled for a House floor vote.
The bill has changed so it will need to go to Conference Committee then back to both the house and senate. There aren't many days left in the session (actually 2). If you haven't contacted your Rep and Senator, do so this weekend. Things are going to start moving mucho fasto now. |
, and Wiles is a sponsor, so I'm just waiting on good news at this point.
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Below is a summary of 308 and 291 from GOC. GCO has been pushing 308 and is still working behind the scenes to arrange for improvements. 291 is the NRA backed bill
Important provisions of SB308, as currently written
Would: Replace public gathering laws with list of places off limits Creates "weapons" license that would allow knives and other concealable weapons to be carried legally Addresses carrying long guns Allows you to consume alcoholic beverages in restaurants Removes parking lots from places off limits Allows carry in bars if owner permits Removes the 1000' buffer from "School Safety Zones" Makes carrying on school property a misdemeanor with license and felony without license. Puts picture on counterfeit proof license Allow airport carry in areas not secured by TSA Removes the lifetime prohibitor for misdemeanor marijuana convictions Clarifies all codes related to weapons. Won't: Allow church or campus carry. Important provisions of SB291, as currently written
Would: Allow airport carry in areas not secured by TSA Require Probate Court to notify you in writing 90 days before license expires. Removes the lifetime prohibitor for misdemeanor marijuana convictions Removes the fingerprint requirement on license Issues a different, distinctive license for former law enforcement officers Contains Katrina Bill that would not allow for confiscation of firearms during declared emergency. Won't: Repeal public gathering law. Hopefully next year we won't re-elect Lt.GunBanner Cagle and we elect a pro-gun Governor. Cagle and Perdue are huge obstacles. |
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carry at churches and colleges has been removed It is a pretty weak bill at this point. Quoted:
Below is a summary of 308 and 291 from GOC. GCO has been pushing 308 and is still working behind the scenes to arrange for improvements. 291 is the NRA backed bill Hopefully next year we won't re-elect Lt.GunBanner Cagle and we elect a pro-gun Governor. Cagle and Perdue are huge obstacles. Man, it may not be complete but that is a very very good start. |
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carry at churches and colleges has been removed It is a pretty weak bill at this point. A bill that gets rid of the public gathering clause, allows car carry on campus, tells apd to f off when if comes to the airport is not a weak bill. It isn't perfect but a major improvement. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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carry at churches and colleges has been removed It is a pretty weak bill at this point. I haven't seen the Committee Substitute. John Monroe of GCO says its a good bill and a big improvement. I trust him as he and GCO's lobbyists have been working hard at this for over 2 years (started before the Senate Study Committee). We aren't getting all that GCO wants but when you consider the political forces that defend gun control in Georgia, you'll agree that its the best we can get done at this time. Let me give you a couple of examples of the defenders of gun control that are hindering a Constitution Carry gun bill. The Governor ..... He's a big protector of the University system. Look how the Regents have been spared from budget cuts. Because the Governor wanted to protect them, he had to raise taxes on sick people. He also is against anyone who drinks (a-la-sunday sales). The Lt. Governor ..... In his own words last year, he said he didn't have an appetite for any gun bills. In the past, he's claimed that his preacher opposes guns in church so no bill will allow that. Cagle is anti-gun. Plain and simple. If you voted for him, you voted for Sarah Brady in a suit. In his years, he has killed several gun bills often very publicly. For example, several years ago he ended the cross-over day session imeediately before a gun bill was going to be brought up. He then ran out of the Senate. Nice. The Republicans ..... I watched the Judy-Non-Civil Committee hearing on Wed. We squeeked by closer than the vote count indicated. My Rep, a republican, (Sharon Cooper who is part of leadership team in the House)voted against the bill. Several other republiucans said they are voting to get the bill out of Committee but will vote against the bill on the floor. Oh, by the way, Sharon Cooper is A rated by the NRA. Come November, we have the chance to boot the fakes and elect real conservatives who beleive "shall not be infringed" means "shall not be infringed". Finally, GCO is going to keep hammering away until "shall not be infringed" is the law in Georgia. |
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Below is a summary of 308 and 291 from GOC. GCO has been pushing 308 and is still working behind the scenes to arrange for improvements. 291 is the NRA backed bill Important provisions of SB308, as currently written
Would: Replace public gathering laws with list of places off limits Creates "weapons" license that would allow knives and other concealable weapons to be carried legally Addresses carrying long guns Allows you to consume alcoholic beverages in restaurants Removes parking lots from places off limits (except for students on college campuses) Allows carry in bars if owner permits Removes the 1000' buffer from "School Safety Zones" Makes carrying on school property a misdemeanor with license and felony without license. Puts picture on counterfeit proof license Allow airport carry in areas not secured by TSA Removes the lifetime prohibitor for misdemeanor marijuana convictions Clarifies all codes related to weapons. Won't: Allow church or campus carry. Referring to my insert in red: if I understand the House Committee amended SB 308, anyone with a GFL/GWL can leave their guns locked in a compartment/container on campus except for students. The Board of Regents and University System of Georgia administrators really don't trust their students. |
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Below is a summary of 308 and 291 from GOC. GCO has been pushing 308 and is still working behind the scenes to arrange for improvements. 291 is the NRA backed bill Important provisions of SB308, as currently written
Would: Replace public gathering laws with list of places off limits Creates "weapons" license that would allow knives and other concealable weapons to be carried legally Addresses carrying long guns Allows you to consume alcoholic beverages in restaurants Removes parking lots from places off limits (except for students on college campuses) Allows carry in bars if owner permits Removes the 1000' buffer from "School Safety Zones" Makes carrying on school property a misdemeanor with license and felony without license. Puts picture on counterfeit proof license Allow airport carry in areas not secured by TSA Removes the lifetime prohibitor for misdemeanor marijuana convictions Clarifies all codes related to weapons. Won't: Allow church or campus carry. Referring to my insert in red: if I understand the House Committee amended SB 308, anyone with a GFL/GWL can leave their guns locked in a compartment/container on campus except for students. The Board of Regents and University System of Georgia administrators really don't trust their students. See, this does bother me, but will not affect me. I do not park on campus but in near by parking lots. Since the 1000' rule is out, from what I have read, I will be able to have it in my car near campus. Fuck the Board of Regents. |
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Below is a summary of 308 and 291 from GOC. GCO has been pushing 308 and is still working behind the scenes to arrange for improvements. 291 is the NRA backed bill Important provisions of SB308, as currently written
Would: Replace public gathering laws with list of places off limits Creates "weapons" license that would allow knives and other concealable weapons to be carried legally Addresses carrying long guns Allows you to consume alcoholic beverages in restaurants Removes parking lots from places off limits (except for students on college campuses) Allows carry in bars if owner permits Removes the 1000' buffer from "School Safety Zones" Makes carrying on school property a misdemeanor with license and felony without license. Puts picture on counterfeit proof license Allow airport carry in areas not secured by TSA Removes the lifetime prohibitor for misdemeanor marijuana convictions Clarifies all codes related to weapons. Won't: Allow church or campus carry. Referring to my insert in red: if I understand the House Committee amended SB 308, anyone with a GFL/GWL can leave their guns locked in a compartment/container on campus except for students. The Board of Regents and University System of Georgia administrators really don't trust their students. See, this does bother me, but will not affect me. I do not park on campus but in near by parking lots. Since the 1000' rule is out, from what I have read, I will be able to have it in my car near campus. Fuck the Board of Regents. That's how I understand it too. You can now park and leave you weapon in your car immediately adjacent to University property and need not be outside the arbitrary 1000 ft buffer zone. |
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Removes the lifetime prohibitor for misdemeanor marijuana convictions So currently, getting convicted of something like possession under an ounce would preclude you from getting a CC permit forever? Damn. Not forever. Just your lifetime. A second conviction under this new law will still prohibit it for a lifetime, so steer clear of marijuana, kids. |
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I am in favor of HB308 but I wish it still allowed church and college carry. Armed citizens don't suddenly become bad because they enter a certian property.
What ever you do OBEY the law. A conviction even a misdemeanor can ruin your career opportunities. Good jobs are hard to get and near impossible with a record. When I review resumes (usally 100+ for a job) the ones that get culled out first are the one that don't meet the qualifications. We narrow the list down to 4-8 for a job then interview. Companies now run background checks before making offers to future employees. Now your credit rating is checked as well. Scott V www.centerfiretraining.com |
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Today's the last day. I talked to John Monroe on the phone as he drove down to try to get some things pushed through. I'll let you know if I hear anything else and Malum will probably be along shortly. I thought that today was day 39 and Thursday would be day 40? |
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I am in favor of HB308 but I wish it still allowed church and college carry. Armed citizens don't suddenly become bad because they enter a certian property. What ever you do OBEY the law. A conviction even a misdemeanor can ruin your career opportunities. Good jobs are hard to get and near impossible with a record. When I review resumes (usally 100+ for a job) the ones that get culled out first are the one that don't meet the qualifications. We narrow the list down to 4-8 for a job then interview. Companies now run background checks before making offers to future employees. Now your credit rating is checked as well. Scott V www.centerfiretraining.com That's a terrible mindset. "Whatever you do, obey the law." Whatever you do, CARRY YOUR GUN. You have to survive the gunfight to even worry about the legal fight afterward. Carry your gun, carry your GFL, and carry the card of a qualified defense attorney. I'm not saying that I violate any local, state, or federal laws, but if I had to shoot someone in church, I'd be far more worried about myself, my family, and my church family than I would be about what job I MIGHT not get in the future. But, I would also be prepared for the repercussions of such actions, if I were to place myself in situation like that. For instance, if I can recall correctly, self defense is not an affirmative defense in cases where the defendant carries a firearm illegally. This means that even if you shot someone CLEARLY in self defense, you could still be convicted of murder. Attorneys, please correct me if I'm wrong. But, again, if you don't live through the encounter, who cares if you followed the law or not? |
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I left voicemail messages on my reps personal phone and his office phone. And I emailed him. I've never heard from him, but I did apply a little peer pressure. I told him that the State senator that overlaps his district voted for it (the senate version). 308!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hazzah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Quoted: Quoted: I am in favor of HB308 but I wish it still allowed church and college carry. Armed citizens don't suddenly become bad because they enter a certian property. What ever you do OBEY the law. A conviction even a misdemeanor can ruin your career opportunities. Good jobs are hard to get and near impossible with a record. When I review resumes (usally 100+ for a job) the ones that get culled out first are the one that don't meet the qualifications. We narrow the list down to 4-8 for a job then interview. Companies now run background checks before making offers to future employees. Now your credit rating is checked as well. Scott V www.centerfiretraining.com That's a terrible mindset. "Whatever you do, obey the law." Whatever you do, CARRY YOUR GUN. You have to survive the gunfight to even worry about the legal fight afterward. Carry your gun, carry your GFL, and carry the card of a qualified defense attorney. I'm not saying that I violate any local, state, or federal laws, but if I had to shoot someone in church, I'd be far more worried about myself, my family, and my church family than I would be about what job I MIGHT not get in the future. But, I would also be prepared for the repercussions of such actions, if I were to place myself in situation like that. For instance, if I can recall correctly, self defense is not an affirmative defense in cases where the defendant carries a firearm illegally. This means that even if you shot someone CLEARLY in self defense, you could still be convicted of murder. Attorneys, please correct me if I'm wrong. But, again, if you don't live through the encounter, who cares if you followed the law or not? Mandatory training would correct your mindset...  |
WTF is going on?
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I called my rep again and actually got him on the phone. He had no idea what 308 was but I explained it briefly and asked for his support. I reminded him that the Senator who overlaps with his district voted for the Senate version. I think they are close on most issues. Get on the phones folks. Every call, email, and fax counts. No time for letters. |
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It is on the calendar for today. What time? There are not set times. I have no idea the order they go in though. Calendar for today |
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Quoted: Referring to my insert in red: if I understand the House Committee amended SB 308, anyone with a GFL/GWL can leave their guns locked in a compartment/container on campus except for students. The Board of Regents and University System of Georgia administrators really don't trust their students. I had to go back and re-read 308 after reading this post to verify your assessment. Very, very disappointed to learn that GFLs that choose to return to school are restricted from storing weapons in their personal vehicles on campus. That just friggin' sucks ass. Why give it to everybody else but the license holder/student? The student body is the demographic that's being robbed and kidnapped at will at metro Atlanta schools. It's unfathomable why the legislators would exempt the group from exercising the option to keep a personal weapon close that really needs protection the most. At least there could have been a residency component that exempts those of us that don't live anywhere near campus from the restriction while at class. Realizing that everyone else but me can keep their gun is a **huge** friggin' letdown for me personally. I hate driving through the west end after 10 PM completely unarmed while pimps and pushers are all around me doing as they please. Let's not even mention the crazed or the marijuana intoxicated gang-bangers that roam the streets looking for something to get into. On the balance, very pleased with the outcome of this legislative session. Save for that one lil' gripe. |
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Referring to my insert in red: if I understand the House Committee amended SB 308, anyone with a GFL/GWL can leave their guns locked in a compartment/container on campus except for students. The Board of Regents and University System of Georgia administrators really don't trust their students. I had to go back and re-read 308 after reading this post to verify your assessment. Very, very disappointed to learn that GFLs that choose to return to school are restricted from storing weapons in their personal vehicles on campus. That just friggin' sucks ass. Why give it to everybody else but the license holder/student? The student body is the demographic that's being robbed and kidnapped at will at metro Atlanta schools. It's unfathomable why the legislators would exempt the group from exercising the option to keep a personal weapon close that really needs protection the most. At least there could have been a residency component that exempts those of us that don't live anywhere near campus from the restriction while at class. Realizing that everyone else but me can keep their gun is a **huge** friggin' letdown for me personally. I hate driving through the west end after 10 PM completely unarmed while pimps and pushers are all around me doing as they please. Let's not even mention the crazed or the marijuana intoxicated gang-bangers that roam the streets looking for something to get into. On the balance, very pleased with the outcome of this legislative session. Save for that one lil' gripe. The new version is not online yet. From the debate last night, it looks as though students will be allowed to have it locked in their car on campus. That was one of the arguing points the antis made last night. |
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I just read a PDF of the conference committee report signed last night. The language that stipulates "any person other than a student" has been stricken out of section 1-4. Oh yea. Common sense has prevailed over the emotional crap at the capitol dome. This is a great day to be a Georgian. I am very proud to call this state home. If my senator + rep weren't among the minority assembly members making an ass of themselves on the floor last night trying to drum up hyperbole, I'd call them and sing them praise. Maybe I will call anyway to say how glad I am that the bill has passed the GGA. |
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So what is the actual status,does it still need anyone to pass it or does it go to governor to be singed.I am confused,layman's terms please. The bill has passed the GA House and Senate and needs the Governor to sign the bill into law. If he doesn’t sign it, the bill will become a law on July 1st. If he vetoes the bill then it would have to go back to the House and Senate and they could override the veto with another vote. I suspect Perdue will neither sign the bill nor veto it and the bill will become law 7/1/2010. As for the exact content of the final bill, we are still waiting for the official posting on the House and Senate websites. Monk |