Posted: 4/3/2009 6:12:15 AM EDT
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Thinking of buying some PMags, if I can find any. Can I get some feedback from you guys that use them?
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Hey, how about for a change someone can post something actually helpful?? Here, let me give it a try:
They (Pmags) are heavier than aluminum USGI magazines. Aluminum feedlips can dent. You might not know the magazine is going to fail to feed until you are running the magazine. The mag might feed from the "good" side and then fail on the dented/cracked side. While running the gun you will do your immediate action drill and get a good feed and then another jam. With Pmags the feedlip either cracks entirely or just flexes and then goes back into normal shape. Pmags will seat easier than an aluminum USGI magazine on a closed bolt when fully loaded. Pmags are slightly thicker than USGI mags. In some tighter pouches it might be difficult to get two Pmags in the pouch or quickly retrieve one of the magazines. I trust my USGI magazines because they have served me well a long time. I won't fully trust Pmags until I've had an equally long period of time with them. So far, I think Pmags are okay but I still trust my USGI ones more. If you are interested in trying the Pmags by all means go for it. But I'd advise you to get some USGI ones too. See, the HTF can be more than goofy, nonsensical posts. Who woulda thought it? 
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I love my Pmags, especially the newest variant where the dust covers can clip onto the bottoms so you don't lose them. They are virutally indestructbale, the followers are phenomenal and don't cant at all. You can leave them loaded all the time and the spring still feels solid.
No finish to worry about, water resistant, dent proof, come in lots of colors, and top quality for the money. Finding Pmags is not hard. Finding Pmags for less than $25 is more of a challenge. I know a few places locally that sell them for $20, and I have started to see more people have them in stock online for close to normal prices $15-17 each. |
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I stopped by a new store just 30 minutes or so outside of Nasvshville. They had a ton of pmags (black only) $18 for regular of $19 for windows. It is called the outpost and they had really good selection on gear guns and ammo. Did not have time to price the ammo but it seemed equal or slightly lower than anything I have seen in GA for a while.
It is not worth the gas to go up there from ATL, but if you are heading through TN it is worth checking out. Oh, and it is a combination gun store and gas station..... |
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there was a thread a couple of weeks ago about an OOB kb while using a pmag. the mag detonated sending fragments into the guys arms.
i stick with gi mags. lighter and they work. if i am concerned about some moron driving a truck over my mags i have bigger problems to worry about than what mag i bought. |
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Quoted: there was a thread a couple of weeks ago about an OOB kb while using a pmag. the mag detonated sending fragments into the guys arms. i stick with gi mags. lighter and they work. if i am concerned about some moron driving a truck over my mags i have bigger problems to worry about than what mag i bought. I don't know about you TBS but any REAL Tactical Chairborne Commando frequently finds their weapons being run over by automobiles. I know that when I blade in rush hour traffic, I want my empty magazines to withstand being run over...  |
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there was a thread a couple of weeks ago about an OOB kb while using a pmag. the mag detonated sending fragments into the guys arms. i stick with gi mags. lighter and they work. if i am concerned about some moron driving a truck over my mags i have bigger problems to worry about than what mag i bought. Really? 
I know what your saying but it still sounds funny. |
| Another thig to consider is that because the pmag is thicker, the space for the rounds front to back is less. Some of my mag length reloads are totally reliable in GI mags, but they won't load into a pmag because they're too long. I love the pmags I do have though. One of the things I like is that often when we are training, it is muddy and you're mags get a lot of dirt inside. The pmags are much easier to take apart and clean mutiple times with out worrying about bending the floor plate like GI mags. I also like the face that you can load them for a long time, and if you use the top clip there is no pressure on the feed lips so they won't bow out which can happen with GI mags. If you don't reload, I'd consider getting some. I'd pay a little more for them over GI mags but not more than a few dollars. I see no point to the windowed ones. |
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there was a thread a couple of weeks ago about an OOB kb while using a pmag. the mag detonated sending fragments into the guys arms. i stick with gi mags. lighter and they work. if i am concerned about some moron driving a truck over my mags i have bigger problems to worry about than what mag i bought. Really?
I know what your saying but it still sounds funny. pmags are pretty much sealed. the escaping gas went down the magwell as designed and blew out the magazine. a usgi would bulged and blown out the floor plate venting the gas. i can't find the thread as our search system lacks a lot to be desired, it was sometime in the last few months. i remember magpull wanted the fragments back and replaced his magazine. that said a sealed type design like that is not good in a case separation. magpull is good stuff just remember NO product is perfect. |
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Quoted:Pmags are slightly thicker than USGI mags. In some tighter pouches it might be difficult to get two Pmags in the pouch or quickly retrieve one of the magazines.
Also, check to be sure your lower will accomodate PMags before you invest in a lot of them. They are a very tight fit in some magwells. |
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There was a thread on another popular AR forum where a LEO training office rposted his expereince with PMAGs used in the course of training many LEOs over a year. He had some very detailed info on teh fedlip failures over time. Magpul seemed to be working with the department by replacing the damaged mags a,d trying to make product improvements based on the data being reported back.
The main consensus seemed to be that they were good training and even light duty mags, that needed to be watched, with a plan on disposing of them once they began to fail. This is not terrible news as GI M16 MAgs were originally designed as "disposable mags" to begin with. You just have some better rebuild options with the GI mags. Tha tbeing said I've got a half dozen Pmags that have functioned flawlessly for over two years. I don't abuse them but I don't baby them either. I bought all of mine at the early prices when they were still cheaper than GI mags, so I figure if I wear these out I still have many miles left on my GI mags. |
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If you have a Gen 3 POF lower. BEWARE. They are so tight you have to force them in. Have written Magpul twice and they have yet to tell me what to do. I was hoping they would swap for some of the others coming soon that are a little smaller but will fit ARs. We shall see.
They are good Mags though in my opinion. Just not for the POF lowers. |
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If you have a Gen 3 POF lower. BEWARE. They are so tight you have to force them in. Have written Magpul twice and they have yet to tell me what to do. I was hoping they would swap for some of the others coming soon that are a little smaller but will fit ARs. We shall see. They are good Mags though in my opinion. Just not for the POF lowers. this problem bother s me A LOT. while i understand different manufacturers build to different tolerances, a GOOD SHTF magazine will fit ANY rifle. pass to your buddy's and such if needed. if they only fit about 90% reliably.... that is a big issue to me. |
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Windowed P-Mags in stock from my secret stash's. For Ga HTF members only. http://www.ambientweather.com/mainma30stpm.html or from here http://mygotimegear.com/product.sc?categoryId=129&productId=1 Do not post these in other areas or I put a curse on your dog.  |
I agree w/ some of the earlier posts ... I would be worrying about other immediate variables if my magazines were being run over by trucks or that a product should be designed to have a universal fit because Murphy's Law will be there when you need it most.  I have always wondered why all the hype w/ certain branded products not just w/ PMAG. Is there really value: quality & price or just good Marketing, curiosity kills the cat.
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Why limit yourself to one or the other.Most people on this board have more then one variation of ar and why not mags.The pmags look so much better in the ar then the usgi especially when you have a color theme going on.I have pmags and metal mags.I have yet to form an opinion on which is better but i do favor my pmags.I think you just need to pick one up and try it for your self and see if you like it.
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USGI mags= may feed...may not....you never know until you start running it... plus...getting banged around and given all the stress related problems with bulging and feed lip deterioration.......I won't rule them out as I have a bunch....
PMAGS=never fail...feed everytime.....fits perfect and drops free...no feedlip deterioration....drop them and bang them around as much as you want/need.... 110% flawless function 100% of the time..... Bottom line is this....at the range I give my USGI mags a chance to prove themselves....... In life, my PMags full of 55gn TAP are the "go to" mags....they work....and they work well.... In a life saving situation.... that is what goes in my Smith and Wesson...... 
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PMAGS=never fail...feed everytime..... Unless the split down the back. 
I've had 3 PMAGS split down the back, I just tossed them. My Go mags are DSG Aluminum Mags w/ MP Followers and Ranger Floorplates. I still consider PMAGS to be OK for Competition or Training but to each his own. That said I sell the hell out of PMAGS. 
It's funny how Magazines didn't work until Magpul invented the PMAG. |
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PMAGS=never fail...feed everytime..... Unless the split down the back.
I've had 3 PMAGS split down the back, I just tossed them. My Go mags are DSG Aluminum Mags w/ MP Followers and Ranger Floorplates. I still consider PMAGS to be OK for Competition or Training but to each his own. That said I sell the hell out of PMAGS.
It's funny how Magazines didn't work until Magpul invented the PMAG. BROTHA....what in the world was going on to have 3 split mags?? Did you contact Magpul?? |
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I have 2 Pmags .... a black one and an orange one. I will never get rid of the orange one. That is my comp mag .... I run one mag in my dump pouch to start a stage, one mag in a Bladetech on my belt and the orange Pmag in another Bladtech. First mag change is done with the USGI in the first carrier, second mag change is done with the orange pmag .... I know when I see the orange mag I better make everything count as I am down to my last 30. Its little tricks like that ... if you are limited in the number of mags you are allowed to carry and are going to have to do more mag changes than you are allowed mags Ill even run a short 20 rounder or an old Orlite mag as well just so if its shoved in my dump pouch I can tell the difference in just feeling them.
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PMAGS=never fail...feed everytime..... Unless the split down the back.
I've had 3 PMAGS split down the back, I just tossed them. My Go mags are DSG Aluminum Mags w/ MP Followers and Ranger Floorplates. I still consider PMAGS to be OK for Competition or Training but to each his own. That said I sell the hell out of PMAGS.
It's funny how Magazines didn't work until Magpul invented the PMAG. BROTHA....what in the world was going on to have 3 split mags?? Did you contact Magpul?? Honestly I sent an email, never heard back and I tossed em'. It really wasn't worth the time and effort to bulldog them down to replace $30 in mags. If they were too busy at the time then that's fine but no response was no response. Must have been a bad lot. I do still use their 20 rounders but still have the 30's in cold storage for when something fun happens. They make a lot of great kit but again, aluminum mags have been around for over 40 years and with some minor improvements I don't see the reason to change everything out. I do think that this question has been beat into the ground in the tech forums- someone smarter than me probably has a lot better info than I do. |
| I do agree that it has been beat to death.....I will be totally honest..... it depends on your personal taste.....you have had problems with pmag....for whatever reason....bad lot etc...... and you totally rely on what you know works......I will tell you this....I have a steel 30 rounder made by Charter and it works 110% of the time also....The only reason it is not my "go to" mag is it will rust.....and I aint runnin no safe queen...I keep it in the truck....it is out in inclement weather.....you know....typical things we do with our ar platforms....and the last thing I need to worry about is keeping that thing protected.....again...it does, however, load, feed, and drop free 110% with no problems.... |